U.S. Soldiers Return Home To Labor Market With Few Opportunities

The people at ACAP are warning Service Members about this. You can have a Masters degree, you can have a decade or more of on-the-job experience, doesn't matter when the jobs simply don't exist. Right now, it's just rough, not just for us, but everyone.

What makes it harder for the Troops going out is that we have to make a lot of changes to adjust back into civilian life. The transition from boots to suits doesn't pop as soon as you get your DD-214, and I don't think a lot of people understand this. We have our own language, customs, and ways. Our demeanor seems harsh and abrasive, we're used to a world where being an individual is wrong, and support is everywhere. When you're a troop, you're not a person, you're a component. Problem is, that's all we've known for years, then one day, you get some papers pushed, turn in your gear, and after years of the Military rattling your cage they turn you loose on a world of civilians with next to no training on how to deal with it, and that's kinda fucked up.

You leave those gates, and all that order, the structure, the support, poof, all that shit's gone. All ACAP really does is teach you how to get a job interview, and they get you started with the VA. That's great, and I'm glad the program exists, but that interview isn't worth a damn if you're still thinking like a Soldier. All that stuff, especially for Troops with deployments under their belts, it's still active. The general wear and tear on mind and body take their toll on the psyche, and continues on, because, it never got deactivated. Some guys can turn it off, some need help. They aren't getting that help, unless they have buddies from the Service that are already on the outside, or they have a family that knows what's up, and how to help them make the necessary changes. If they don't have that support, well, they're kinda fucked. If that Troop has PTSD, TBI, or a debilitating injury, they're even more screwed, because the world is going to keep turning, and with all the cuts we're taking in our benefits, it's just going to get harder and harder.

The best idea I can come up with is Vets getting together, and helping the Troops who are getting out. I don't think it should be a government program, because a lot of Troops don't trust the government, it'll always be subject to cuts, and 'systems' based on numbers games that end up being more about quantity than quality, and just the fact that everything the big G touches turns to shit. Anything said needs to be treated like doctor patient confidentiality, strictly need to know, and the focus should be on helping the Troops transition. If something like this already exists, sweet, I'd love to get info on it so I can pass it on to our guys that are getting out in the next couple months.
 
Yes the transition from the nanny state socialist job and lifestyle people in the military have to an indifferent capitalist job market can be rather difficult, that's for damned sure.

Welcome back boys.

Time for you guys to scramble to make a living just like we've been doing while you were away.

Good luck!
 
well the truth is never popular here......

where i work has hired vets...it has not gone well for the most part...a few had a sense of entitlement....a few truly had problems with ptsd....nothing like your supervisor having to send security into the room when he sees a person going nuts on camera and threatening the other staff members. i am always amazed at some of the wounded vets and the amount of drugs they MUST do to try to stay pain free or just tolerate the pain.
the head injuries are so beyond what we as lay people know.
 
The people at ACAP are warning Service Members about this. You can have a Masters degree, you can have a decade or more of on-the-job experience, doesn't matter when the jobs simply don't exist. Right now, it's just rough, not just for us, but everyone.

What makes it harder for the Troops going out is that we have to make a lot of changes to adjust back into civilian life. The transition from boots to suits doesn't pop as soon as you get your DD-214, and I don't think a lot of people understand this. We have our own language, customs, and ways. Our demeanor seems harsh and abrasive, we're used to a world where being an individual is wrong, and support is everywhere. When you're a troop, you're not a person, you're a component. Problem is, that's all we've known for years, then one day, you get some papers pushed, turn in your gear, and after years of the Military rattling your cage they turn you loose on a world of civilians with next to no training on how to deal with it, and that's kinda fucked up.

You leave those gates, and all that order, the structure, the support, poof, all that shit's gone. All ACAP really does is teach you how to get a job interview, and they get you started with the VA. That's great, and I'm glad the program exists, but that interview isn't worth a damn if you're still thinking like a Soldier. All that stuff, especially for Troops with deployments under their belts, it's still active. The general wear and tear on mind and body take their toll on the psyche, and continues on, because, it never got deactivated. Some guys can turn it off, some need help. They aren't getting that help, unless they have buddies from the Service that are already on the outside, or they have a family that knows what's up, and how to help them make the necessary changes. If they don't have that support, well, they're kinda fucked. If that Troop has PTSD, TBI, or a debilitating injury, they're even more screwed, because the world is going to keep turning, and with all the cuts we're taking in our benefits, it's just going to get harder and harder.

The best idea I can come up with is Vets getting together, and helping the Troops who are getting out. I don't think it should be a government program, because a lot of Troops don't trust the government, it'll always be subject to cuts, and 'systems' based on numbers games that end up being more about quantity than quality, and just the fact that everything the big G touches turns to shit. Anything said needs to be treated like doctor patient confidentiality, strictly need to know, and the focus should be on helping the Troops transition. If something like this already exists, sweet, I'd love to get info on it so I can pass it on to our guys that are getting out in the next couple months.

Very well put and worth a bump to the front of the thread!

Civilians don't understand what a fire team leader is; they don't know what a platoon sergeant does; they think they know what a company commander because they saw one in the movies. It's a matter of putting it in civilian terms. But it's more than getting the phrases down, it's also about demeanor and presentation. And all the things you pointed out certainly factor in.

Bust the doors down to the commander's office and say, "Sir, I'd like to volunteer for this mission because my dick is hard for some good ol' fashioned ass-kicking and I'm the mother fucker who will get it done for you!" and the Old Man will make you the team leader for the mission. Do that in the civilian world, and they'll call security and obtain a restraining order. Civilians are profit-oriented; they want to know how YOU are going to HELP THEM make a PROFIT. Until you put it in those terms, they have no idea how your military service is an asset to them. Military folks have to change their mindset when interviewing for a civilian job.

There's always going into business for one's self, but that takes money to get it started. And in today's economy, nobody wants to take any big risks to help someone get a business started.

Then there's the last part. Sadly, I don't think the military does a good job of decompression from combat troop to civilian. I think, as you pointed out, that in some cases, it's too complex to address with a couple of seminars, group sessions and interviews. Troops nowadays have had SEVERAL combat tours, and that's got to take a toll. Combat is combat, but when I was in, combat deployments like Panama and Grenada were short-term. The Kumbaya peace-keeping missions may have been long-term, but things were pretty much settled down compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. So for those who have danced with the Devil several times, making the adjustment can be difficult. I personally believe that the soldier can make the adjustment; the problem comes from everyone else who misinterprets or jumps to conclusions. But that's another topic.
 
When you waste 4,8,12,16,20 years in a nontransferable MOS/NEC and don't get an education, what do you expect? For those that say "What about wars and extended deployments"? I say, I garuntee there were plenty of military personnel who did get an education and learned transferable skills in spite of wars and deployments.

When I left Europe for the last time I was running a cellular telephone network that would cover an area half the size of Ohio, I spent just under 2 years back in the states as a Senior instructor at the US Army Signal School. With that background and 93 college credit hours I could not find a position with a telecommunications company. Why? Because I was too old and didn't have an actual degree.

When I was released from military service in 1969 the government had a program in place called Hire the Vet, it was initiated under the headstart program to get the Vietnam vets back into the workforce. It gave the businesses a tax credit for hiring veterans. Why couldn't the government do something simular today.
 
When you waste 4,8,12,16,20 years in a nontransferable MOS/NEC and don't get an education, what do you expect? For those that say "What about wars and extended deployments"? I say, I garuntee there were plenty of military personnel who did get an education and learned transferable skills in spite of wars and deployments.

When I left Europe for the last time I was running a cellular telephone network that would cover an area half the size of Ohio, I spent just under 2 years back in the states as a Senior instructor at the US Army Signal School. With that background and 93 college credit hours I could not find a position with a telecommunications company. Why? Because I was too old and didn't have an actual degree.

When I was released from military service in 1969 the government had a program in place called Hire the Vet, it was initiated under the headstart program to get the Vietnam vets back into the workforce. It gave the businesses a tax credit for hiring veterans. Why couldn't the government do something simular today.

Actually Obama has just sort of proposed this.
 
No, I'm saying Obama's United Socialist States of Soviet America is a threat to freedom though not one that is incurable.

1) Gross over-exaggerations never solve anything.

Correct. It only focuses attention where it's really needed.


2) Diverting attention to slamming Obama and/or the Democrats won't cause employers to give vets more jobs.

Correct again. Nothing involving Democraps or Obama will help anyone get a job. Well, there is the exception. Those who don't pay their tax bills seem to go to the head of the hiring line.
 
Well they should have gotten a job before they went to the ME. If so their job is protected.

That might not help if the job is eliminated due to downsizing.

employer treatment of reservist or National Guard employees called to active duty isn't just a matter of patriotism, it's a point of law. The Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act of 1994 (USERRA) forbids any company, large or small, from discriminating against such employees and requires that they be re-employed when their tour of duty is up.

You have the right to be reemployed in your civilian job if you leave that job to perform service in the uniformed service and:
• you ensure that your employer receives advance written or verbal notice of your service;
• you have five years or less of cumulative service in the uniformed services while with that particular employer;
• you return to work or apply for reemployment in a timely manner after conclusion of service; and
• you have not been separated from service with a disqualifying discharge or under other than honorable conditions.
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If you are eligible to be reemployed, you must be restored to the job and benefits you would have attained if you had not been absent due to military service or, in some cases, a comparable job.
 
When I left Europe for the last time I was running a cellular telephone network that would cover an area half the size of Ohio, I spent just under 2 years back in the states as a Senior instructor at the US Army Signal School. With that background and 93 college credit hours I could not find a position with a telecommunications company. Why? Because I was too old and didn't have an actual degree.

When I was released from military service in 1969 the government had a program in place called Hire the Vet, it was initiated under the headstart program to get the Vietnam vets back into the workforce. It gave the businesses a tax credit for hiring veterans. Why couldn't the government do something simular today.

Actually Obama has just sort of proposed this.

Sort of? That means you and our returning vets will never see it.
 

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