U.S. Soldiers Punished For Not Attending Christian Concert

Nice leap... too bad you landed short... I usually think better of you, Jill

At Fort Eustis, he promoted a series of concerts, featuring Christian performers, aimed at awakening Soldiers' spiritual awareness.

"The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion," he said. "It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds."

Chambers acknowledges without trepidation that there are some Soldiers who lack the moral upbringing or ethical consciousness to fulfill their promise as Soldiers.


Not REMOTELY what you contended AT ALL

Funny... we have Chaplains, chapels, etc paid for as well.. and rightfully so

Epic fail Jill, epic fail

Can you not read? From my original link:

On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."

But there has been no "mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds" at these concerts. Every one of them has had evangelical Christian performers, who typically not only perform their music but give their Christian testimony and read from the Bible in between songs.

From your original and unsubstantiated WINGER LINK

Again... cite a real source

Epic fail
 
From your original and unsubstantiated WINGER LINK

Again... cite a real source

Epic fail

What's a real source to you? The guy who gets a picture from WND is telling me to cite a real source, how rich. :lol:

The army article colaborates exactly what this article said. Now I thought the same thing at first as you did.

Maybe DiamondDave here can solve the $64,000 question. Since he doesn't believe that these soldiers are telling the truth, the question is why?

That's the $64,000 question.
 
Maybe DiamondDave here can solve the $64,000 question. Since he doesn't believe that these soldiers are telling the truth, the question is why?

SUBSTANTIATION

I have seen, AS A SOLDIER, soldiers not telling the truth... I have also seen over the years where winger sites manipulate and overblow a story to fit their agenda

Again... give a credible source with corroboration of the supposed information, statements, etc
 
Thoughts??.. I want an actual source, not some winger site

Well, i can't speak to the article, though it does seem consistent with this article from army.mil news

apparently major gen. chambers, a born again christian, thinks you're only ethically fit for duty if you have religion shoved down your throat on a regular basis.

and they're spending our money on this because?

Fort Lee Commanding General Reaches Out to Soldiers

Nice leap... too bad you landed short... I usually think better of you, Jill

At Fort Eustis, he promoted a series of concerts, featuring Christian performers, aimed at awakening Soldiers' spiritual awareness.

"The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion," he said. "It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds."

Chambers acknowledges without trepidation that there are some Soldiers who lack the moral upbringing or ethical consciousness to fulfill their promise as Soldiers.


Not REMOTELY what you contended AT ALL

Funny... we have Chaplains, chapels, etc paid for as well.. and rightfully so

Epic fail Jill, epic fail

really? what did i contend? did you bother readig the article? why didn't you copy the part where he said some soldiers don't have the ethical or moral consciousness to fulfil their promise as soldiers".

how dare he?

and you know, i was wondering how you'd quarrel with a miltiary site. it seems you didn't. you just left out the part you don't like.

let them spend their own money, and not mine, proselytizing. :thup:

oh... and for distorting what i said and what the article said:

the epic fail was yours, hon. i usually expect better from you, DD. :)
 
SUBSTANTIATION

I have seen, AS A SOLDIER, soldiers not telling the truth... I have also seen over the years where winger sites manipulate and overblow a story to fit their agenda

Again... give a credible source with corroboration of the supposed information, statements, etc

So why would 80 soldiers lie over this?
 
Talk To Action | U.S. Soldiers Punished For Not Attending Christian Concert

On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."

Any doubt that this was an evangelical Christian event was cleared up by the Army post's newspaper, the Fort Eustis Wheel, which ran an article after the concert that began:

"Following the Apostle Paul's message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music's edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater."

"Those of us that chose not to attend (about 80, or a little less that half) were marched back to the company area. At that point the NCO issued us a punishment. We were to be on lock-down in the company (not released from duty), could not go anywhere on post (no PX, no library, etc). We were to go to strictly to the barracks and contact maintenance. If we were caught sitting in our rooms, in our beds, or having/handling electronics (cell phones, laptops, games) and doing anything other than maintenance, we would further have our weekend passes revoked and continue barracks maintenance for the entirety of the weekend. At that point the implied message was clear in my mind 'we gave you a choice to either satisfy us or disappoint us. Since you chose to disappoint us you will now have your freedoms suspended and contact chores while the rest of your buddies are enjoying a concert.'

"At that evening, nine of us chose to pursue an EO complaint. I was surprised to find out that a couple of the most offended soldiers were actually Christian themselves (Catholic). One of them was grown as a child in Cuba and this incident enraged him particularly as it brought memories of oppression."

In the Army.mil article, Maj. Gen. Chambers was quoted as saying, "The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion. It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds." But there has been no "mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds" at these concerts. Every one of them has had evangelical Christian performers, who typically not only perform their music but give their Christian testimony and read from the Bible in between songs.

So, thoughts USMB?

They were ordered to attend and they disobeyed an order. Is that about right?
 

In 2005, in response to overt religious discrimination at the U.S. Air Force Academy, Weinstein started MRFF. His specific mission at the time was to stop the ubiquitous religious discrimination from fundamentalist Christians at the Academy bent on converting mainline Protestants, Roman Catholics and non-Christians to their beliefs utilizing the draconian spectre of military command influence. That civil rights mission has now massively expanded over the last four years to include all of the approximately 1,000 American military installations scattered around the globe in over 130 host countries.

Weinstein is the author of “With God On Our Side: One Man’s War Against an Evangelical Coup in America’s Military,” published in 2006 from St. Martins Press. The paperback edition, published in 2008, has a forward by Ambassador (retired) Joe Wilson. The book is an expose on the systemic problem of religious intolerance throughout the U.S. armed forces.
 
From your original and unsubstantiated WINGER LINK

Again... cite a real source

Epic fail

What's a real source to you? The guy who gets a picture from WND is telling me to cite a real source, how rich. :lol:

The army article colaborates exactly what this article said. Now I thought the same thing at first as you did.

Maybe DiamondDave here can solve the $64,000 question. Since he doesn't believe that these soldiers are telling the truth, the question is why?

That's the $64,000 question.

No... it does not.... your 'story' on your winger cite leaps about as much as you do on this....

As for a source... I don't care... I listed some you can use... you want some more you hyper-partisan hack?? NBC, US News and World Reports, Time, AFP, AP, etc... c'mon, I am SURE you can get it from one of the ones I have listed... just 1
 
Talk To Action | U.S. Soldiers Punished For Not Attending Christian Concert

On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking "an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God."

Any doubt that this was an evangelical Christian event was cleared up by the Army post's newspaper, the Fort Eustis Wheel, which ran an article after the concert that began:

"Following the Apostle Paul's message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music's edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater."



In the Army.mil article, Maj. Gen. Chambers was quoted as saying, "The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion. It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds." But there has been no "mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds" at these concerts. Every one of them has had evangelical Christian performers, who typically not only perform their music but give their Christian testimony and read from the Bible in between songs.

So, thoughts USMB?

They were ordered to attend and they disobeyed an order. Is that about right?

Yup.
 
Well, i can't speak to the article, though it does seem consistent with this article from army.mil news

apparently major gen. chambers, a born again christian, thinks you're only ethically fit for duty if you have religion shoved down your throat on a regular basis.

and they're spending our money on this because?

Fort Lee Commanding General Reaches Out to Soldiers

Nice leap... too bad you landed short... I usually think better of you, Jill

At Fort Eustis, he promoted a series of concerts, featuring Christian performers, aimed at awakening Soldiers' spiritual awareness.

"The idea is not to be a proponent for any one religion," he said. "It's to have a mix of different performers with different religious backgrounds."

Chambers acknowledges without trepidation that there are some Soldiers who lack the moral upbringing or ethical consciousness to fulfill their promise as Soldiers.


Not REMOTELY what you contended AT ALL

Funny... we have Chaplains, chapels, etc paid for as well.. and rightfully so

Epic fail Jill, epic fail

really? what did i contend? did you bother readig the article? why didn't you copy the part where he said some soldiers don't have the ethical or moral consciousness to fulfil their promise as soldiers".

how dare he?

and you know, i was wondering how you'd quarrel with a miltiary site. it seems you didn't. you just left out the part you don't like.

let them spend their own money, and not mine, proselytizing. :thup:

oh... and for distorting what i said and what the article said:

the epic fail was yours, hon. i usually expect better from you, DD. :)

I did Jill.. which is not specific to Christianity at all... nice try though

And what were you contending??
you're only ethically fit for duty if you have religion shoved down your throat on a regular basis.
How's that for relisting your contention?
 
No... it does not.... your 'story' on your winger cite leaps about as much as you do on this....

As for a source... I don't care... I listed some you can use... you want some more you hyper-partisan hack?? NBC, US News and World Reports, Time, AFP, AP, etc... c'mon, I am SURE you can get it from one of the ones I have listed... just 1

They haven't mentioned it yet. However, I'm sure when they do, you'll move the goal posts yet again saying that you don't believe in "leftist" websites. :thup:
 
http://www.secular.org/issues/chaplains


Specialist Jeremy Hall decided to be open and honest about his lack of religious faith, challenging the old adage that there are no atheists in foxholes. It turned out to be a move that jeopardized his deployment, his military career, and even his personal safety.

Pressure came both from peers and from officers. When Jeremy decided not to pray at Thanksgiving dinner, he was singled out and told that he couldn’t sit with the others. A superior officer later told him that, in order to be a good leader, he would have to put his personal convictions aside and pray anyway. Jeremy refused to do so, and did not receive a promotion. The situation got worse when Jeremy’s meeting of the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers was crashed by Major Welborn, who chastised him and threatened disciplinary action – simply because Jeremy was an atheist.

Jeremy began receiving death threats. On leave in Qatar, he was chased by a group of soldiers who called him religious slurs and threatened to beat him up. Fearing for Jeremy’s safety, the US Army assigned him a full-time bodyguard, and later transferred him out of the Middle East onto a military base in Kansas. Jeremy filed a lawsuit claiming that the coercive religious climate in the military was an unconstitutional violation of his religious freedom. After three and a half years in the Army, he decided not to re-enlist. Despite the desire to serve, he felt unable to do so as an open atheist.
 
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SUBSTANTIATION

I have seen, AS A SOLDIER, soldiers not telling the truth... I have also seen over the years where winger sites manipulate and overblow a story to fit their agenda

Again... give a credible source with corroboration of the supposed information, statements, etc

So why would 80 soldiers lie over this?

80 soldiers collaborated on that article?
 
No... it does not.... your 'story' on your winger cite leaps about as much as you do on this....

As for a source... I don't care... I listed some you can use... you want some more you hyper-partisan hack?? NBC, US News and World Reports, Time, AFP, AP, etc... c'mon, I am SURE you can get it from one of the ones I have listed... just 1

They haven't mentioned it yet. However, I'm sure when they do, you'll move the goal posts yet again saying that you don't believe in "leftist" websites. :thup:

I'm waiting

You know.. something 'juicy' like this and a lot of the mainstream sources would be all over it... but funny... it is a solitary winger site that is the source??

I have NEVER denied a source like CNN, ABC, AP, Reuters, etc when it comes to corroboration... but ones like this bullshit site or huffy puffy or whatever, damn skippy I will call out the fact that it's nothing more than winger links
 
This article confirms the Christian rock group and the date of the concert:

Jacobs Theater echoes with love, war during spiritual fitness concert

Following the Apostle Paul’s message to the Ephesians in the Bible, Christian rock music’s edgy, all-girl band BarlowGirl brought the armor of God to the warriors and families of Fort Eustis during another installment of the Commanding General’s Spiritual Fitness Concert Series May 13 at Jacobs Theater.
 
I'm waiting

You know.. something 'juicy' like this and a lot of the mainstream sources would be all over it... but funny... it is a solitary winger site that is the source??

I have NEVER denied a source like CNN, ABC, AP, Reuters, etc when it comes to corroboration... but ones like this bullshit site or huffy puffy or whatever, damn skippy I will call out the fact that it's nothing more than winger links

Again, this was posted at the most, a few hours ago. Do you know how the internet works when it comes to stories?
 
You are ignoring this problem was all over the military under Bush.

Just like the DOJ became a christian law school graduate campus
 

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