U.S. Fracking's Larger Implications

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    I could have buried this in one of the many existing threads on Fracking, but it deserves it's own look.

    The article touches on the effects of increased U.S. natural gas production in far-flung parts of the world including the Middle East, China, Russia, Venezuela, etc.

    U.S. Shale Boom Reduces Russian Influence Over European Gas Market

    The U.S. shale gas boom has not only virtually eliminated the need for U.S. liquefied natural gas (LNG) imports for at least two decades, but significantly reduced Russia’s influence over the European natural gas market and "diminished the petro-power" of major gas producers in the Middle East and Venezuela.

    And here's the kicker- Obama's proposed tax policies are directed at bringing the American oil and natural gas industries to it's knees:

    Changes to U.S. tax policy for upstream oil and gas, including proposed changes to expensing rules, investment credits, and/or royalty rates, could also make shale exploration and production unprofitable at current prices.
     
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    Not to mention the added influence US citizens would gain over their own economic futures.

    The no drill/no spill anti gas crowd are at the peak of hypocrisy as they pound their signs in their yards next to the gas meter feeding their home.
     
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    This is so preliminary and fraught with potential errors. Why was this "report" released so early?

    Here are some hard documented facts regarding agrigulture and livestock pollution:

    •California officials identify agriculture, including cows, as the major source of nitrate pollution in more than 100,000 square miles of polluted groundwater.


    •In Oklahoma, nitrates from Seaboard Farms' hog operations contaminated drinking water wells, prompting the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to issue an emergency order in June 2001 requiring the company to provide safe drinking water to area residents.


    •In 1996 the Centers for Disease Control established a link between spontaneous abortions and high nitrate levels in Indiana drinking water wells located close to feedlots.


    •High levels of nitrates in drinking water also increase the risk of methemoglobinemia, or "blue-baby syndrome," which can kill infants.


    •Animal waste contains disease-causing pathogens, such as Salmonella, E. coli, Cryptosporidium, and fecal coliform, which can be 10 to 100 times more concentrated than in human waste. More than 40 diseases can be transferred to humans through manure.


    •In May 2000, 1,300 cases of gastroenteritis were reported and six people died as the result of E. coli contaminating drinking water in Walkerton, Ontario. Health authorities determined that the most likely source was cattle manure runoff.


    •Manure from dairy cows is thought to have contributed to the disastrous Cryptosporidium contamination of Milwaukee's drinking water in 1993, which killed more than 100 people, made 400,000 sick and resulted in $37 million in lost wages and productivity.


    •In this country, roughly 29 million pounds of antibiotics -- about 80 percent of the nation's antibiotics use in total -- are added to animal feed every year to speed livestock growth. This widespread use of antibiotics on animals contributes to the rise of resistant bacteria, making it harder to treat human illnesses.


    •Large hog farms emit hydrogen sulfide, a gas that most often causes flu-like symptoms in humans, but at high concentrations can lead to brain damage. In 1998, the National Institute of Health reported that 19 people died as a result of hydrogen sulfide emissions from manure pits.

    Shall we shut down farming and livestock production?

    NRDC: Facts about Pollution from Livestock Farms
     
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    Fracking also brings small earthquakes and flammable water.

    Still think it's a good idea?
     
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    That's a loaded question.
    Loaded with bullshit.

    After six decades and tens of thousands of wells, proper fracturing techniques have proven themselves.
     
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    Used to be that way until they quit using water and started using propietary chemicals in the mixture.

    Watch Gasland sometime.

    And yeah.......fracking has caused earthquakes, just ask the UK.
     
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    Re: Gasland...

    "...according to the Colorado Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which tested Markham's water in 2008, there were "no indications of oil & gas related impacts to water well." Instead the investigation found that the methane was "biogenic" in nature, meaning it was naturally occurring and that his water well was drilled into a natural gas pocket."

    http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND DOC.pdf

    Earthquakes? Likely...

    UK firm says shale fracking caused earthquakes | Reuters

    However, there are over 1 million naturally occuring earthquakes each year.
     
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    From your link
    Magnitude 3 earthquakes don't count. You would basically have to be standing on the fault line to even feel it, even then you might not notice. No one would be injured and no damage would be done. I used to live in California, and I can tell you that most people don't notice anything below a 4.0. Personally I have not even noticed low 4's.
     
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    Small earthquake...sure....no different than a train passing by really. And no,a frac doesn't make flammable water. Less propaganda....more actual thinking please...
     

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