Two scenarios on Trump-Russia investigators — and neither is comforting

[jc456]

actually what it is, is that a difference of opinion is hate to the left.

great. and to a part i would agree. but i won't engage in the same tactics i make fun of and try to pretend it's ok for me to do what i just said was stupid for the sole reason *I* happen to be doing it.

aka - birthers are stupid. how could obama get past all that vetting and not be born in hawaii!!!
then - trump doesn't pay taxes! let's pretend that same vetting process missed this one!!!

and yes - the right does the same shit.

again, being president one must be a citizen, therefore proof of birth in the US is required. Not sure how anyone does that, but why would someone question this if obammy presented a birth certificate? He didn't, can you acknowledge that? And therefore, the next question is why?

Tax returns are not required to be president. i give two shits the financials. I don't. Tax returns tell one nothing. Not a damn fking thing.

so your analogy is apples and oranges.

Now does the right at times do what the left does? yep, do you blame them after years of getting it in the puss?

The left are mere evil and the right get bitch slapped repeatedly by them, it continues today, trump being slapped down by an obammy federal judge, purely outside of the scope of congress, and yet? yeah, there is no comparison, the left are evil fkers who live off the bile of others.

not going to play "lets split the hairs my way"

in either case you're relying on the vetting process to fail. either by the election process or the IRS.

all i'm saying. if you wanna dovetail off to elsewhere, have fun but i am not going to try and defend things i am not saying cause you took it there.

ah no, you know I'm right, if not most all of the colleges wouldn't be leftist leaning, public schools all leftist leaning. No, they are not the same. I don't care what you think, I know!!! you play your message board game, dude I don't care. facts are merely facts. you choose to ignore them ain't gonna change my thinking at all.

"you know i'm right" is where i stop.

see you next thread.

and yet you do know I'm right. you won't say it out loud on the board cause it ruins your persona.

 

[iceberg]

great. and to a part i would agree. but i won't engage in the same tactics i make fun of and try to pretend it's ok for me to do what i just said was stupid for the sole reason *I* happen to be doing it.

aka - birthers are stupid. how could obama get past all that vetting and not be born in hawaii!!!
then - trump doesn't pay taxes! let's pretend that same vetting process missed this one!!!

and yes - the right does the same shit.

again, being president one must be a citizen, therefore proof of birth in the US is required. Not sure how anyone does that, but why would someone question this if obammy presented a birth certificate? He didn't, can you acknowledge that? And therefore, the next question is why?

Tax returns are not required to be president. i give two shits the financials. I don't. Tax returns tell one nothing. Not a damn fking thing.

so your analogy is apples and oranges.

Now does the right at times do what the left does? yep, do you blame them after years of getting it in the puss?

The left are mere evil and the right get bitch slapped repeatedly by them, it continues today, trump being slapped down by an obammy federal judge, purely outside of the scope of congress, and yet? yeah, there is no comparison, the left are evil fkers who live off the bile of others.

not going to play "lets split the hairs my way"

in either case you're relying on the vetting process to fail. either by the election process or the IRS.

all i'm saying. if you wanna dovetail off to elsewhere, have fun but i am not going to try and defend things i am not saying cause you took it there.

ah no, you know I'm right, if not most all of the colleges wouldn't be leftist leaning, public schools all leftist leaning. No, they are not the same. I don't care what you think, I know!!! you play your message board game, dude I don't care. facts are merely facts. you choose to ignore them ain't gonna change my thinking at all.

"you know i'm right" is where i stop.

see you next thread.

and yet you do know I'm right. you won't say it out loud on the board cause it ruins your persona.

no - it's a 12 year old chest beating argument i'm simply not going to get into with ANYONE who is talking to me like they're right, i'm wrong, i been schooled.

to me it just means you have zero respect for my opinions, so why should i care about yours?

admit it - you know i'm right.

see what i mean?

 

[jc456]

again, being president one must be a citizen, therefore proof of birth in the US is required. Not sure how anyone does that, but why would someone question this if obammy presented a birth certificate? He didn't, can you acknowledge that? And therefore, the next question is why?

Tax returns are not required to be president. i give two shits the financials. I don't. Tax returns tell one nothing. Not a damn fking thing.

so your analogy is apples and oranges.

Now does the right at times do what the left does? yep, do you blame them after years of getting it in the puss?

The left are mere evil and the right get bitch slapped repeatedly by them, it continues today, trump being slapped down by an obammy federal judge, purely outside of the scope of congress, and yet? yeah, there is no comparison, the left are evil fkers who live off the bile of others.

not going to play "lets split the hairs my way"

in either case you're relying on the vetting process to fail. either by the election process or the IRS.

all i'm saying. if you wanna dovetail off to elsewhere, have fun but i am not going to try and defend things i am not saying cause you took it there.

ah no, you know I'm right, if not most all of the colleges wouldn't be leftist leaning, public schools all leftist leaning. No, they are not the same. I don't care what you think, I know!!! you play your message board game, dude I don't care. facts are merely facts. you choose to ignore them ain't gonna change my thinking at all.

"you know i'm right" is where i stop.

see you next thread.

and yet you do know I'm right. you won't say it out loud on the board cause it ruins your persona.

no - it's a 12 year old chest beating argument i'm simply not going to get into with ANYONE who is talking to me like they're right, i'm wrong, i been schooled.

to me it just means you have zero respect for my opinions, so why should i care about yours?

admit it - you know i'm right.

see what i mean?

but you know the left owns three qtrs of this nation. you know it. no matter how much you try to say something different out loud, it is a fact. it just is.

 

[Dragonlady]

Obama-Era State Dept. Official Provides More Evidence Of FISA Abuse

more are saying the warrants were not valid. i guess my question is - what would it take for the left to admit they'd be furious if trump did this?

we need that fury regardless of who does it.

A reputable source. The Federalist is not a reliable unbiased source. They have been co-opted by the hard right.

I don't care who you think this reporter is, she has obviously NOT read the Mueller Report because she mis-represented completely what it said about Trump's attempts to work with the Russians who were supporting his campaign.

The Mueller Report in no way exonerated Trump in regards to working with the Russians to coordinate on the campaign. In fact, it essentially said that the Trump campaign's was too dumb to conspire. That's not exoneration or getting it "so very wrong", that one needs to examine the origin of the investigations..

 

[iceberg]

not going to play "lets split the hairs my way"

in either case you're relying on the vetting process to fail. either by the election process or the IRS.

all i'm saying. if you wanna dovetail off to elsewhere, have fun but i am not going to try and defend things i am not saying cause you took it there.

ah no, you know I'm right, if not most all of the colleges wouldn't be leftist leaning, public schools all leftist leaning. No, they are not the same. I don't care what you think, I know!!! you play your message board game, dude I don't care. facts are merely facts. you choose to ignore them ain't gonna change my thinking at all.

"you know i'm right" is where i stop.

see you next thread.

and yet you do know I'm right. you won't say it out loud on the board cause it ruins your persona.

no - it's a 12 year old chest beating argument i'm simply not going to get into with ANYONE who is talking to me like they're right, i'm wrong, i been schooled.

to me it just means you have zero respect for my opinions, so why should i care about yours?

admit it - you know i'm right.

see what i mean?

but you know the left owns three qtrs of this nation. you know it. no matter how much you try to say something different out loud, it is a fact. it just is.

g'night.

 

[Slade3200]

The past is fine to remember and to refer to, but when the “whataboutisms” becomes the automatic response to criticism and are used to divert from or to dilute current actions then it because a counterproductive conversation

They can be overplayed yes.

But that doesn't mean they don't have a place. When someone "gets away with something" the other side uses it as an excuse to do it too.

Outside that great, Trump lied. About what doesn't seem to be relevant so I'll just ask to what point does it matter?

Mad he's in office?
Should be impeached for these "lies"

Where are you going with this?

Don’t think he should be impeached but I definitely think he should lose the next election in a landslide and he should be called out on his BS.

I think the investigations went overboard but I also think they were justified and fueled by lies and obstructive behavior. The Russia thing is over in my eyes. I said since the day the report came out the Dems shouldn’t go too hard on the obstruction stuff. Yes it’s there but it isn’t criminal. Just like the Clinton stuff. Move on

if lying means the candidate loses in a landslide, no one would ever win again. that is the crux of my point. would be interesting to see if the dems can trot out someone whose never lied, or been accused of lying (and accusing these days seems to be more than enough)

i do not believe the investigations were justified. i believe they were 100% political and a cover up. we'll see what barr has to say.

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

 

[iceberg]

They can be overplayed yes.

But that doesn't mean they don't have a place. When someone "gets away with something" the other side uses it as an excuse to do it too.

Outside that great, Trump lied. About what doesn't seem to be relevant so I'll just ask to what point does it matter?

Mad he's in office?
Should be impeached for these "lies"

Where are you going with this?

Don’t think he should be impeached but I definitely think he should lose the next election in a landslide and he should be called out on his BS.

I think the investigations went overboard but I also think they were justified and fueled by lies and obstructive behavior. The Russia thing is over in my eyes. I said since the day the report came out the Dems shouldn’t go too hard on the obstruction stuff. Yes it’s there but it isn’t criminal. Just like the Clinton stuff. Move on

if lying means the candidate loses in a landslide, no one would ever win again. that is the crux of my point. would be interesting to see if the dems can trot out someone whose never lied, or been accused of lying (and accusing these days seems to be more than enough)

i do not believe the investigations were justified. i believe they were 100% political and a cover up. we'll see what barr has to say.

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

 

[Crepitus]

Two scenarios on Trump-Russia investigators — and neither is comforting

already i can hear the pro-obama crowd coming in to say what a dumbass attkisson is - but show me another reporter out there who goes by facts and trails vs cheering one section on over another.

we'll see what comes out of this and i hope anyone who broke the law is brought to justice. don't really care about their reasons or feelz - the laws were not written to take those into account so nothing else should take that into consideration either.

great. you hate. now stop breaking the law to show off your hate.

there better damn well be some verifiable link to what started the russia narrative. if it was just politics in play, jail those who were involved.

It's an op/ed. Not facts. Opinions.

You do know the difference don't you?

 

[iceberg]

Two scenarios on Trump-Russia investigators — and neither is comforting

already i can hear the pro-obama crowd coming in to say what a dumbass attkisson is - but show me another reporter out there who goes by facts and trails vs cheering one section on over another.

we'll see what comes out of this and i hope anyone who broke the law is brought to justice. don't really care about their reasons or feelz - the laws were not written to take those into account so nothing else should take that into consideration either.

great. you hate. now stop breaking the law to show off your hate.

there better damn well be some verifiable link to what started the russia narrative. if it was just politics in play, jail those who were involved.

It's an op/ed. Not facts. Opinions.

You do know the difference don't you?

I know you are an idiot.

I stopped there.

 

[Slade3200]

Don’t think he should be impeached but I definitely think he should lose the next election in a landslide and he should be called out on his BS.

I think the investigations went overboard but I also think they were justified and fueled by lies and obstructive behavior. The Russia thing is over in my eyes. I said since the day the report came out the Dems shouldn’t go too hard on the obstruction stuff. Yes it’s there but it isn’t criminal. Just like the Clinton stuff. Move on

if lying means the candidate loses in a landslide, no one would ever win again. that is the crux of my point. would be interesting to see if the dems can trot out someone whose never lied, or been accused of lying (and accusing these days seems to be more than enough)

i do not believe the investigations were justified. i believe they were 100% political and a cover up. we'll see what barr has to say.

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

 

[iceberg]

if lying means the candidate loses in a landslide, no one would ever win again. that is the crux of my point. would be interesting to see if the dems can trot out someone whose never lied, or been accused of lying (and accusing these days seems to be more than enough)

i do not believe the investigations were justified. i believe they were 100% political and a cover up. we'll see what barr has to say.

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

well i don't hang out on right wing sites, so i just follow my own mind and experiences to formulate my own opinions.

i care immensely about our collective rights. all of 'em. not gay, not white, not black, not whatever. we pretty much got 1 set and we need to protect that for all. that means allowing people i hate to abuse them because that's what a "right" is. my "abuse" is their "necessity" so why am i going to judge them because i don't agree with them?

if that is right based - then hell dude, i'm right to the core.

so people say shit i don't like. i do wish they'd shut up, learn, or whatever, but they honestly don't have to. then it becomes my own choice to walk away and find conversation more to my liking. not tell them to stop because i'm so insecure i can't handle strong counter opinions.

hell i welcome and learn from them. i hope by now we've done that for each other. i guess i could fire back "well you just talk in leftist talking points" but i've come to find you also speak from your experiences and heart, not following the lemmings bleeting the latest political pop culture.

guess i'm a bit disappointed i don't come across that way with you by now. maybe in time.

great. you deleted your mail. common. like i said that alone maybe we can get around. BUT - did you then work to destroy the drive itself knowing an investigation was coming?

2nd time you forgot to go the distance with what she did here. she didn't just delete mail, she destroyed the physical medium it was stored on. who does that? i could tell you or i can ask you to google why you bleachbit a drive and you come to your own conclusions.

but hey - i'll tell you. it's to ensure what was on there cannot be recovered. at least not with a monumental amount of effort. given her "tech guy" was in a forum bragging he had to destroy evidence from a high profile persons computer...

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails
look at those questions from gowdy in bleachbit. is gowdy a fool or trying to pull something over on you? by your own gut feeling, who's hiding something - the accuser or someone who went to such lengths to hide something?

then we have:
The "Oh Shit" Guy That Wiped Hillary's Server With BleachBit Was Just Granted Immunity
timeline:
December 2014 / January 2015 – “Undisclosed Clinton staff member” instructs Combetta to remove archives of Clinton emails from PRN server but he forgets.

March 4, 2015 – Hillary receives subpoena from House Select Committee on Benghazi instructing her to preserve and deliver all emails from her personal servers.
takes up to 3 months to realize you didn't delete your mail? dunno about you but i got a counter on my folder telling me how many items are in there.

March 25, 2015 – Combetta has a conference call with “President Clinton’s Staff.”

March 25 – 31, 2015 – Combetta has “oh shit” moment and realizes he forgot to wipe Hillary’s email archive from the PRN server back in December…which he promptly does using BleachBit.
again - deleting is one thing and at this point deleting it is already a DON'T DO IT because of the March 4th order. she forgot, oops. you don't get a mulligan do you?

February 18, 2016 - Combetta meets with FBI and denies knowing about the existence of the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi at the time he wiped Hillary's server.
ok - we're back to "what? i do not understand..."

May 3, 2016 - Combetta has follow-up meeting with the FBI and admits that he "was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton's e-mail data on the PRN server."
OH THAT!!!!! oops. sorry about that. we had to clean up what we forgot to do last year and destroy the drive itself you were asking for...this again is the dude that went into tech forums to ask how to properly remove all info from a drive. he is TRYING to ensure nothing can be read from it again. why?

again, i don't see you this forgiving for trump. at this point trump lied about a secret meeting that was only there cause obama let someone in the country who wasn't supposed to be here and in 2 years nothing was found to prove there was a thing there.

now if trump destroyed a computer full of information you felt were germain to the case against him - did this after he was told not to - and used several 3rd party methods to make sure you could not read the data - would you sit there and go "well ok, it is your data after all".

this is not right or left wing, slade. because we disagree for the love of god don't dive into stereotypes when we've never done that to each other yet. would you HONESTLY NOT CARE if trump did all of the above?

it befuddles common sense, slade. not left or right. let's go back to what i care about - our rights we all share. you and others mistake me for protecting trump but that's not what i am doing - at least in my mind. it is likely a side effect but i am simply wanting both sides to use the same set of criteria for what is right or wrong on a base level. for over a decade we've justified what we used to consider wrong because we hate.

hate.

it's killing us dude, this hate.

and yet here are all this time later and i do not have a clear answer from you so i'll ask 1 more time and *hopefully* let it go.

would you allow trump the same actions that hillary did listed above? or would you just KNOW he was hiding something?​

i'll go back to my right wing talking points after checking in with fox and brietbart on what i should be saying today now cause lord knows that's what i do.

 

[DBA]

At the end of the day, when the Russian sabotage in favor of Trump was discovered, America should have let the attacks continue without investigation. We should have never looked into the guy who the sabotage campaign directly benefitted, who also happens to have deep financial ties to Russia and who’s top officials were outed as criminals.

except we can't find a valid reason to investigate trump except you don't like him.

all the rest of what you say is bullshit and unverifiable without emotions pushing them.

russia trolled the shit out of us. not illegal now is it? if so you'd be banned from this forum in seconds, dude.

we'll see what barr finds. my guess is you're about to start crying like a little girl who's hair got put into the inkwell.

Our intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that Russia attacked our election, the attacks were in favor of Trump, Trump has deep financial ties to Russia, Trump’s people had secret meetings with Russians, Trump had criminals at the highest levels of his campaign. All of that is undeniable. Had Trump not tried so hard to obstruct justice, maybe this could have ended sooner for him.

And sadly we’ll never hear from the 12 Russians Mueller wanted to take to court, because the Russian government wants Trump in power.

Why would they want Trump in power? They like it that our economy is booming? They like it that he will resolve our illegal immigratiion problem if given time? They like the MUCH tougher stance on Russia that he has taken compared to Democrats? Please, they would love nothing more than a politician who is much closer to Socialism than Democracy. That should be fairly obvious to anyone, but alas, never Trumpers are too dilluted to see the obvious.

Maybe their plan was more devious that you think. Maybe they knew the left-wing nuts would revolt and move in mass toward Socialism if Trump was elected. That would be their dream and it seems to be coming to fruition thanks to our leftist sheep and ignorant children.

 

[iceberg]

At the end of the day, when the Russian sabotage in favor of Trump was discovered, America should have let the attacks continue without investigation. We should have never looked into the guy who the sabotage campaign directly benefitted, who also happens to have deep financial ties to Russia and who’s top officials were outed as criminals.

except we can't find a valid reason to investigate trump except you don't like him.

all the rest of what you say is bullshit and unverifiable without emotions pushing them.

russia trolled the shit out of us. not illegal now is it? if so you'd be banned from this forum in seconds, dude.

we'll see what barr finds. my guess is you're about to start crying like a little girl who's hair got put into the inkwell.

Our intelligence agencies unanimously agreed that Russia attacked our election, the attacks were in favor of Trump, Trump has deep financial ties to Russia, Trump’s people had secret meetings with Russians, Trump had criminals at the highest levels of his campaign. All of that is undeniable. Had Trump not tried so hard to obstruct justice, maybe this could have ended sooner for him.

And sadly we’ll never hear from the 12 Russians Mueller wanted to take to court, because the Russian government wants Trump in power.

Why would they want Trump in power? They like it that our economy is booming? They like it that he will resolve our illegal immigratiion problem if given time? They like the MUCH tougher stance on Russia that he has taken compared to Democrats? Please, they would love nothing more than a politician who is much closer to Socialism than Democracy. That should be fairly obvious to anyone, but alas, never Trumpers are too dilluted to see the obvious.

ah - blackass tried to reply to me. i had to put him back on ignore and exercise my own right to mentally tell him to bugger off.

this intelligence committee is also now being hammered by barr. we'll see if they were unbiased in their actions or had an "insurance" policy.

 

[jc456]

They can be overplayed yes.

But that doesn't mean they don't have a place. When someone "gets away with something" the other side uses it as an excuse to do it too.

Outside that great, Trump lied. About what doesn't seem to be relevant so I'll just ask to what point does it matter?

Mad he's in office?
Should be impeached for these "lies"

Where are you going with this?

Don’t think he should be impeached but I definitely think he should lose the next election in a landslide and he should be called out on his BS.

I think the investigations went overboard but I also think they were justified and fueled by lies and obstructive behavior. The Russia thing is over in my eyes. I said since the day the report came out the Dems shouldn’t go too hard on the obstruction stuff. Yes it’s there but it isn’t criminal. Just like the Clinton stuff. Move on

if lying means the candidate loses in a landslide, no one would ever win again. that is the crux of my point. would be interesting to see if the dems can trot out someone whose never lied, or been accused of lying (and accusing these days seems to be more than enough)

i do not believe the investigations were justified. i believe they were 100% political and a cover up. we'll see what barr has to say.

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

so you don't believe in obstruction law? hmmmm--k. so what's your deal with trump then? you don't believe in obstruction.

 

[Slade3200]

The integrity of ones character is important to me when electing a leader. We each have our own criteria. Trump has the lowest standards and is the most dishonest person I’ve seen in a long time and I think he deserves to be scrutinized for it. Anybody who lies should be called out as well.

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

well i don't hang out on right wing sites, so i just follow my own mind and experiences to formulate my own opinions.

i care immensely about our collective rights. all of 'em. not gay, not white, not black, not whatever. we pretty much got 1 set and we need to protect that for all. that means allowing people i hate to abuse them because that's what a "right" is. my "abuse" is their "necessity" so why am i going to judge them because i don't agree with them?

if that is right based - then hell dude, i'm right to the core.

so people say shit i don't like. i do wish they'd shut up, learn, or whatever, but they honestly don't have to. then it becomes my own choice to walk away and find conversation more to my liking. not tell them to stop because i'm so insecure i can't handle strong counter opinions.

hell i welcome and learn from them. i hope by now we've done that for each other. i guess i could fire back "well you just talk in leftist talking points" but i've come to find you also speak from your experiences and heart, not following the lemmings bleeting the latest political pop culture.

guess i'm a bit disappointed i don't come across that way with you by now. maybe in time.

great. you deleted your mail. common. like i said that alone maybe we can get around. BUT - did you then work to destroy the drive itself knowing an investigation was coming?

2nd time you forgot to go the distance with what she did here. she didn't just delete mail, she destroyed the physical medium it was stored on. who does that? i could tell you or i can ask you to google why you bleachbit a drive and you come to your own conclusions.

but hey - i'll tell you. it's to ensure what was on there cannot be recovered. at least not with a monumental amount of effort. given her "tech guy" was in a forum bragging he had to destroy evidence from a high profile persons computer...

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails
look at those questions from gowdy in bleachbit. is gowdy a fool or trying to pull something over on you? by your own gut feeling, who's hiding something - the accuser or someone who went to such lengths to hide something?

then we have:
The "Oh Shit" Guy That Wiped Hillary's Server With BleachBit Was Just Granted Immunity
timeline:
December 2014 / January 2015 – “Undisclosed Clinton staff member” instructs Combetta to remove archives of Clinton emails from PRN server but he forgets.

March 4, 2015 – Hillary receives subpoena from House Select Committee on Benghazi instructing her to preserve and deliver all emails from her personal servers.
takes up to 3 months to realize you didn't delete your mail? dunno about you but i got a counter on my folder telling me how many items are in there.

March 25, 2015 – Combetta has a conference call with “President Clinton’s Staff.”

March 25 – 31, 2015 – Combetta has “oh shit” moment and realizes he forgot to wipe Hillary’s email archive from the PRN server back in December…which he promptly does using BleachBit.
again - deleting is one thing and at this point deleting it is already a DON'T DO IT because of the March 4th order. she forgot, oops. you don't get a mulligan do you?

February 18, 2016 - Combetta meets with FBI and denies knowing about the existence of the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi at the time he wiped Hillary's server.
ok - we're back to "what? i do not understand..."

May 3, 2016 - Combetta has follow-up meeting with the FBI and admits that he "was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton's e-mail data on the PRN server."
OH THAT!!!!! oops. sorry about that. we had to clean up what we forgot to do last year and destroy the drive itself you were asking for...this again is the dude that went into tech forums to ask how to properly remove all info from a drive. he is TRYING to ensure nothing can be read from it again. why?

again, i don't see you this forgiving for trump. at this point trump lied about a secret meeting that was only there cause obama let someone in the country who wasn't supposed to be here and in 2 years nothing was found to prove there was a thing there.

now if trump destroyed a computer full of information you felt were germain to the case against him - did this after he was told not to - and used several 3rd party methods to make sure you could not read the data - would you sit there and go "well ok, it is your data after all".

this is not right or left wing, slade. because we disagree for the love of god don't dive into stereotypes when we've never done that to each other yet. would you HONESTLY NOT CARE if trump did all of the above?

it befuddles common sense, slade. not left or right. let's go back to what i care about - our rights we all share. you and others mistake me for protecting trump but that's not what i am doing - at least in my mind. it is likely a side effect but i am simply wanting both sides to use the same set of criteria for what is right or wrong on a base level. for over a decade we've justified what we used to consider wrong because we hate.

hate.

it's killing us dude, this hate.

and yet here are all this time later and i do not have a clear answer from you so i'll ask 1 more time and *hopefully* let it go.

would you allow trump the same actions that hillary did listed above? or would you just KNOW he was hiding something?​

i'll go back to my right wing talking points after checking in with fox and brietbart on what i should be saying today now cause lord knows that's what i do.

Ice, I know by now that you are a fair minded individual, I wasn’t implying otherwise. But the fact is that this hillary investigation was spun, twisted and turned by the right wing just as the Russia investigation has been spun twisted and turned by the left wing. None of us were part of the hillary investigation and know exactly what happened, we didn’t get a 400 page report on it and I’m not quick to believe the narratives I hear coming out of the media.

What exactly do you think Hillary was hiding?

Let’s assume the worst, she deleted emails and destroyed hard drives. What could be the worst thing she was hiding?! What’s the major crime that’s got you so worked up? I said earlier that it was shady and I didn’t vote for her. I’d be critical of Trump if he did the same thing. I’m critical of Trump over the Russia thing because he lies all the time but I’v also said the investigation went on way to long and was over politicized.

 

[iceberg]

i understand that.

trump is far from "cooth" and loves to stir shit up.

but from what i've seen from hillary, she was a lot worse and i did NOT like where "progressive democrats / socialists" wish to take this country.

now *if* she is guilty in all this, suddenly her integrity would come into serious question. many who already believe her in my opinion simply don't want to think otherwise or think that she could be covering things up.

now - the entire list i put up of what the obama/clinton camp did that you pretty much blew off as business as usual, would you blow it off if trump,

someone you believe has zero character, deleted 33k mails while under investigation?
if his wife met with the head of the DOJ on a tarmac while he was "under investigation"?
knew another country was jacking with us for 2 years but only brought it up after losing an election?

if your answer changes, or defenses come up, then i question the baseline for what you need that answer to be.

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

well i don't hang out on right wing sites, so i just follow my own mind and experiences to formulate my own opinions.

i care immensely about our collective rights. all of 'em. not gay, not white, not black, not whatever. we pretty much got 1 set and we need to protect that for all. that means allowing people i hate to abuse them because that's what a "right" is. my "abuse" is their "necessity" so why am i going to judge them because i don't agree with them?

if that is right based - then hell dude, i'm right to the core.

so people say shit i don't like. i do wish they'd shut up, learn, or whatever, but they honestly don't have to. then it becomes my own choice to walk away and find conversation more to my liking. not tell them to stop because i'm so insecure i can't handle strong counter opinions.

hell i welcome and learn from them. i hope by now we've done that for each other. i guess i could fire back "well you just talk in leftist talking points" but i've come to find you also speak from your experiences and heart, not following the lemmings bleeting the latest political pop culture.

guess i'm a bit disappointed i don't come across that way with you by now. maybe in time.

great. you deleted your mail. common. like i said that alone maybe we can get around. BUT - did you then work to destroy the drive itself knowing an investigation was coming?

2nd time you forgot to go the distance with what she did here. she didn't just delete mail, she destroyed the physical medium it was stored on. who does that? i could tell you or i can ask you to google why you bleachbit a drive and you come to your own conclusions.

but hey - i'll tell you. it's to ensure what was on there cannot be recovered. at least not with a monumental amount of effort. given her "tech guy" was in a forum bragging he had to destroy evidence from a high profile persons computer...

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails
look at those questions from gowdy in bleachbit. is gowdy a fool or trying to pull something over on you? by your own gut feeling, who's hiding something - the accuser or someone who went to such lengths to hide something?

then we have:
The "Oh Shit" Guy That Wiped Hillary's Server With BleachBit Was Just Granted Immunity
timeline:
December 2014 / January 2015 – “Undisclosed Clinton staff member” instructs Combetta to remove archives of Clinton emails from PRN server but he forgets.

March 4, 2015 – Hillary receives subpoena from House Select Committee on Benghazi instructing her to preserve and deliver all emails from her personal servers.
takes up to 3 months to realize you didn't delete your mail? dunno about you but i got a counter on my folder telling me how many items are in there.

March 25, 2015 – Combetta has a conference call with “President Clinton’s Staff.”

March 25 – 31, 2015 – Combetta has “oh shit” moment and realizes he forgot to wipe Hillary’s email archive from the PRN server back in December…which he promptly does using BleachBit.
again - deleting is one thing and at this point deleting it is already a DON'T DO IT because of the March 4th order. she forgot, oops. you don't get a mulligan do you?

February 18, 2016 - Combetta meets with FBI and denies knowing about the existence of the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi at the time he wiped Hillary's server.
ok - we're back to "what? i do not understand..."

May 3, 2016 - Combetta has follow-up meeting with the FBI and admits that he "was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton's e-mail data on the PRN server."
OH THAT!!!!! oops. sorry about that. we had to clean up what we forgot to do last year and destroy the drive itself you were asking for...this again is the dude that went into tech forums to ask how to properly remove all info from a drive. he is TRYING to ensure nothing can be read from it again. why?

again, i don't see you this forgiving for trump. at this point trump lied about a secret meeting that was only there cause obama let someone in the country who wasn't supposed to be here and in 2 years nothing was found to prove there was a thing there.

now if trump destroyed a computer full of information you felt were germain to the case against him - did this after he was told not to - and used several 3rd party methods to make sure you could not read the data - would you sit there and go "well ok, it is your data after all".

this is not right or left wing, slade. because we disagree for the love of god don't dive into stereotypes when we've never done that to each other yet. would you HONESTLY NOT CARE if trump did all of the above?

it befuddles common sense, slade. not left or right. let's go back to what i care about - our rights we all share. you and others mistake me for protecting trump but that's not what i am doing - at least in my mind. it is likely a side effect but i am simply wanting both sides to use the same set of criteria for what is right or wrong on a base level. for over a decade we've justified what we used to consider wrong because we hate.

hate.

it's killing us dude, this hate.

and yet here are all this time later and i do not have a clear answer from you so i'll ask 1 more time and *hopefully* let it go.

would you allow trump the same actions that hillary did listed above? or would you just KNOW he was hiding something?​

i'll go back to my right wing talking points after checking in with fox and brietbart on what i should be saying today now cause lord knows that's what i do.

Ice, I know by now that you are a fair minded individual, I wasn’t implying otherwise. But the fact is that this hillary investigation was spun, twisted and turned by the right wing just as the Russia investigation has been spun twisted and turned by the left wing. None of us were part of the hillary investigation and know exactly what happened, we didn’t get a 400 page report on it and I’m not quick to believe the narratives I hear coming out of the media.

What exactly do you think Hillary was hiding?

Let’s assume the worst, she deleted emails and destroyed hard drives. What could be the worst thing she was hiding?! What’s the major crime that’s got you so worked up? I said earlier that it was shady and I didn’t vote for her. I’d be critical of Trump if he did the same thing. I’m critical of Trump over the Russia thing because he lies all the time but I’v also said the investigation went on way to long and was over politicized.

i guess i could point to numerous sites of hillary lies that simply don't seem to bother you. would it help?

as for "what was the crime" - well to me it's simply:

FBI: we need your mail.
Hillary: DELETE DELETE DELETE DESTROY DRIVE.
Hillary: oh those were yoga lessons and wedding plans, what did you say?

if someone is coming to investigate your e-mail practices and you delete your e-mail and destroy what i was on - you honestly don't consider that a party foul?

you hide things when you bleachbit. period. what was she hiding? dunno. maybe nothing. but i certainly don't hire IT personnel to hit newsgroups to find out how to ensure data can't be recovered if "nothing".

would you?

and i give up on the base question at this point. it was beyond shady and i doubt if trump did it you'd be as calm as you are hillary did it.

i don't care who would have done it - i'd be furious. my liking you wouldn't stop me from telling you that you F'd up.

we tend to forgive those we like and allow a lot we'd never allow for those we hate. we've amplified that behavior into an extreme nature and now we simply hate.

tired of it.

 

[iceberg]

in short - put it all away and the one point to stress as hard as i can is -

if you're asked to provide info and you delete it instead, that is a cause for alarm.

period.

it was wrong of her to do that. it would be wrong for trump or ANYONE to do that and a legal issue for any of us. it should be for our elected officials on either side also.

 

[Slade3200]

I just don’t see the events like you do. Do I blame hillary for deleting personal emails before turning over work product to the FBI during a presidential campaign?! No I don’t. If she deleted work product then that could be found by the FBI because emails go two ways. If she did delete work product then she should be punished for doing so. Do I care if bill met with Lynch on the tarmac? No not really, why would I? I also wouldn't make a fuss if Trump met with Rosentstein or Barr, which i assume he has. I did perk up when he fired Comey after meeting with him to ask him to drop the investigation. You cool with that one? If yes, then how can you complain about the tarmac?

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

well i don't hang out on right wing sites, so i just follow my own mind and experiences to formulate my own opinions.

i care immensely about our collective rights. all of 'em. not gay, not white, not black, not whatever. we pretty much got 1 set and we need to protect that for all. that means allowing people i hate to abuse them because that's what a "right" is. my "abuse" is their "necessity" so why am i going to judge them because i don't agree with them?

if that is right based - then hell dude, i'm right to the core.

so people say shit i don't like. i do wish they'd shut up, learn, or whatever, but they honestly don't have to. then it becomes my own choice to walk away and find conversation more to my liking. not tell them to stop because i'm so insecure i can't handle strong counter opinions.

hell i welcome and learn from them. i hope by now we've done that for each other. i guess i could fire back "well you just talk in leftist talking points" but i've come to find you also speak from your experiences and heart, not following the lemmings bleeting the latest political pop culture.

guess i'm a bit disappointed i don't come across that way with you by now. maybe in time.

great. you deleted your mail. common. like i said that alone maybe we can get around. BUT - did you then work to destroy the drive itself knowing an investigation was coming?

2nd time you forgot to go the distance with what she did here. she didn't just delete mail, she destroyed the physical medium it was stored on. who does that? i could tell you or i can ask you to google why you bleachbit a drive and you come to your own conclusions.

but hey - i'll tell you. it's to ensure what was on there cannot be recovered. at least not with a monumental amount of effort. given her "tech guy" was in a forum bragging he had to destroy evidence from a high profile persons computer...

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails
look at those questions from gowdy in bleachbit. is gowdy a fool or trying to pull something over on you? by your own gut feeling, who's hiding something - the accuser or someone who went to such lengths to hide something?

then we have:
The "Oh Shit" Guy That Wiped Hillary's Server With BleachBit Was Just Granted Immunity
timeline:
December 2014 / January 2015 – “Undisclosed Clinton staff member” instructs Combetta to remove archives of Clinton emails from PRN server but he forgets.

March 4, 2015 – Hillary receives subpoena from House Select Committee on Benghazi instructing her to preserve and deliver all emails from her personal servers.
takes up to 3 months to realize you didn't delete your mail? dunno about you but i got a counter on my folder telling me how many items are in there.

March 25, 2015 – Combetta has a conference call with “President Clinton’s Staff.”

March 25 – 31, 2015 – Combetta has “oh shit” moment and realizes he forgot to wipe Hillary’s email archive from the PRN server back in December…which he promptly does using BleachBit.
again - deleting is one thing and at this point deleting it is already a DON'T DO IT because of the March 4th order. she forgot, oops. you don't get a mulligan do you?

February 18, 2016 - Combetta meets with FBI and denies knowing about the existence of the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi at the time he wiped Hillary's server.
ok - we're back to "what? i do not understand..."

May 3, 2016 - Combetta has follow-up meeting with the FBI and admits that he "was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton's e-mail data on the PRN server."
OH THAT!!!!! oops. sorry about that. we had to clean up what we forgot to do last year and destroy the drive itself you were asking for...this again is the dude that went into tech forums to ask how to properly remove all info from a drive. he is TRYING to ensure nothing can be read from it again. why?

again, i don't see you this forgiving for trump. at this point trump lied about a secret meeting that was only there cause obama let someone in the country who wasn't supposed to be here and in 2 years nothing was found to prove there was a thing there.

now if trump destroyed a computer full of information you felt were germain to the case against him - did this after he was told not to - and used several 3rd party methods to make sure you could not read the data - would you sit there and go "well ok, it is your data after all".

this is not right or left wing, slade. because we disagree for the love of god don't dive into stereotypes when we've never done that to each other yet. would you HONESTLY NOT CARE if trump did all of the above?

it befuddles common sense, slade. not left or right. let's go back to what i care about - our rights we all share. you and others mistake me for protecting trump but that's not what i am doing - at least in my mind. it is likely a side effect but i am simply wanting both sides to use the same set of criteria for what is right or wrong on a base level. for over a decade we've justified what we used to consider wrong because we hate.

hate.

it's killing us dude, this hate.

and yet here are all this time later and i do not have a clear answer from you so i'll ask 1 more time and *hopefully* let it go.

would you allow trump the same actions that hillary did listed above? or would you just KNOW he was hiding something?​

i'll go back to my right wing talking points after checking in with fox and brietbart on what i should be saying today now cause lord knows that's what i do.

Ice, I know by now that you are a fair minded individual, I wasn’t implying otherwise. But the fact is that this hillary investigation was spun, twisted and turned by the right wing just as the Russia investigation has been spun twisted and turned by the left wing. None of us were part of the hillary investigation and know exactly what happened, we didn’t get a 400 page report on it and I’m not quick to believe the narratives I hear coming out of the media.

What exactly do you think Hillary was hiding?

Let’s assume the worst, she deleted emails and destroyed hard drives. What could be the worst thing she was hiding?! What’s the major crime that’s got you so worked up? I said earlier that it was shady and I didn’t vote for her. I’d be critical of Trump if he did the same thing. I’m critical of Trump over the Russia thing because he lies all the time but I’v also said the investigation went on way to long and was over politicized.

i guess i could point to numerous sites of hillary lies that simply don't seem to bother you. would it help?

as for "what was the crime" - well to me it's simply:

FBI: we need your mail.
Hillary: DELETE DELETE DELETE DESTROY DRIVE.
Hillary: oh those were yoga lessons and wedding plans, what did you say?

if someone is coming to investigate your e-mail practices and you delete your e-mail and destroy what i was on - you honestly don't consider that a party foul?

you hide things when you bleachbit. period. what was she hiding? dunno. maybe nothing. but i certainly don't hire IT personnel to hit newsgroups to find out how to ensure data can't be recovered if "nothing".

would you?

and i give up on the base question at this point. it was beyond shady and i doubt if trump did it you'd be as calm as you are hillary did it.

i don't care who would have done it - i'd be furious. my liking you wouldn't stop me from telling you that you F'd up.

we tend to forgive those we like and allow a lot we'd never allow for those we hate. we've amplified that behavior into an extreme nature and now we simply hate.

tired of it.

I’ve said she was shady numerous times. I was simply asking what you think she was deleting that was so bad, let’s peel thing thing back and assume the worst case. What do you think she was hiding? Candid conversations that she didn’t want leaked and politicized? Illegal activity?

The lady used a private email account, I just don’t see the seriousness of that crime. Was it wrong? yes, does she deserve scrutiny? yes. She lost the presidency because of it. She’s not working in government anymore. It’s over move on.

I think a large part of Trumps lies are solely because of ego and trying to control how he is perceived in the media. I think this whole Russia thing could have been avoided if he had some tact and integrity.

 

[Slade3200]

in short - put it all away and the one point to stress as hard as i can is -

if you're asked to provide info and you delete it instead, that is a cause for alarm.

period.

it was wrong of her to do that. it would be wrong for trump or ANYONE to do that and a legal issue for any of us. it should be for our elected officials on either side also.

If she deleted work product then yes, that’s a serious offense, obstruction of justice. If she deleted personal messages that she didn’t want leaked to the public in the heat of a campaign like what is claimed then I get it. Her lawyers were the ones that sorted and deleted the emails, right? Do you think they put their careers and freedom on the line for her?

 

[iceberg]

heh - lots of issues, huh?

i just don't believe that if trump deleted 33k mails you or anyone on the left would just go "well that's fine". hell he won't even show his taxes and they swear he's hiding something yet the IRS has not gone to tell him so. so they "hunt". now if trump deleted this do you honestly thing those defending hillary would in turn defend trump for the same actions?

i simply do not.

as for hillary deleting mail no big deal. even if i go with you there, which is a stretch to me, the bleachbit thing is a point of no return.

you just don't get bored and bleachbit e-mails about yoga and weddings. you do it to get rid of things you never want people to see.

why did she do that? would you give trump the same latitude?

again if you would *not* give trump that same latitude, then i point to that as a cause of many of our problems in how we apply what is right and wrong in the actions we take.

I think you are using a lot of right wing talking points but don’t have any first hand knowledge of what the actual investigators saw.

I personally delete about 10k emails a year. And I promise if the RNC or the trump campaign or most any other entity had their emails subpoenaed, they would have taken the same security measures when separating the business from the personal. If she deleted any classified work product then the other copy would still be out there to be found and she would be in jail.

I don’t like how Clinton handled the email situation, it was shady and like I said, I didn’t vote for her. But the Hannity talking points that I keep hearing are way over blown.

well i don't hang out on right wing sites, so i just follow my own mind and experiences to formulate my own opinions.

i care immensely about our collective rights. all of 'em. not gay, not white, not black, not whatever. we pretty much got 1 set and we need to protect that for all. that means allowing people i hate to abuse them because that's what a "right" is. my "abuse" is their "necessity" so why am i going to judge them because i don't agree with them?

if that is right based - then hell dude, i'm right to the core.

so people say shit i don't like. i do wish they'd shut up, learn, or whatever, but they honestly don't have to. then it becomes my own choice to walk away and find conversation more to my liking. not tell them to stop because i'm so insecure i can't handle strong counter opinions.

hell i welcome and learn from them. i hope by now we've done that for each other. i guess i could fire back "well you just talk in leftist talking points" but i've come to find you also speak from your experiences and heart, not following the lemmings bleeting the latest political pop culture.

guess i'm a bit disappointed i don't come across that way with you by now. maybe in time.

great. you deleted your mail. common. like i said that alone maybe we can get around. BUT - did you then work to destroy the drive itself knowing an investigation was coming?

2nd time you forgot to go the distance with what she did here. she didn't just delete mail, she destroyed the physical medium it was stored on. who does that? i could tell you or i can ask you to google why you bleachbit a drive and you come to your own conclusions.

but hey - i'll tell you. it's to ensure what was on there cannot be recovered. at least not with a monumental amount of effort. given her "tech guy" was in a forum bragging he had to destroy evidence from a high profile persons computer...

FBI Admits Hillary Used BleachBit Software Designed to 'Hide Traces Of' Deleted Emails
look at those questions from gowdy in bleachbit. is gowdy a fool or trying to pull something over on you? by your own gut feeling, who's hiding something - the accuser or someone who went to such lengths to hide something?

then we have:
The "Oh Shit" Guy That Wiped Hillary's Server With BleachBit Was Just Granted Immunity
timeline:
December 2014 / January 2015 – “Undisclosed Clinton staff member” instructs Combetta to remove archives of Clinton emails from PRN server but he forgets.

March 4, 2015 – Hillary receives subpoena from House Select Committee on Benghazi instructing her to preserve and deliver all emails from her personal servers.
takes up to 3 months to realize you didn't delete your mail? dunno about you but i got a counter on my folder telling me how many items are in there.

March 25, 2015 – Combetta has a conference call with “President Clinton’s Staff.”

March 25 – 31, 2015 – Combetta has “oh shit” moment and realizes he forgot to wipe Hillary’s email archive from the PRN server back in December…which he promptly does using BleachBit.
again - deleting is one thing and at this point deleting it is already a DON'T DO IT because of the March 4th order. she forgot, oops. you don't get a mulligan do you?

February 18, 2016 - Combetta meets with FBI and denies knowing about the existence of the subpoena from the House Select Committee on Benghazi at the time he wiped Hillary's server.
ok - we're back to "what? i do not understand..."

May 3, 2016 - Combetta has follow-up meeting with the FBI and admits that he "was aware of the existence of the preservation request and the fact that it meant he should not disturb Clinton's e-mail data on the PRN server."
OH THAT!!!!! oops. sorry about that. we had to clean up what we forgot to do last year and destroy the drive itself you were asking for...this again is the dude that went into tech forums to ask how to properly remove all info from a drive. he is TRYING to ensure nothing can be read from it again. why?

again, i don't see you this forgiving for trump. at this point trump lied about a secret meeting that was only there cause obama let someone in the country who wasn't supposed to be here and in 2 years nothing was found to prove there was a thing there.

now if trump destroyed a computer full of information you felt were germain to the case against him - did this after he was told not to - and used several 3rd party methods to make sure you could not read the data - would you sit there and go "well ok, it is your data after all".

this is not right or left wing, slade. because we disagree for the love of god don't dive into stereotypes when we've never done that to each other yet. would you HONESTLY NOT CARE if trump did all of the above?

it befuddles common sense, slade. not left or right. let's go back to what i care about - our rights we all share. you and others mistake me for protecting trump but that's not what i am doing - at least in my mind. it is likely a side effect but i am simply wanting both sides to use the same set of criteria for what is right or wrong on a base level. for over a decade we've justified what we used to consider wrong because we hate.

hate.

it's killing us dude, this hate.

and yet here are all this time later and i do not have a clear answer from you so i'll ask 1 more time and *hopefully* let it go.

would you allow trump the same actions that hillary did listed above? or would you just KNOW he was hiding something?​

i'll go back to my right wing talking points after checking in with fox and brietbart on what i should be saying today now cause lord knows that's what i do.

Ice, I know by now that you are a fair minded individual, I wasn’t implying otherwise. But the fact is that this hillary investigation was spun, twisted and turned by the right wing just as the Russia investigation has been spun twisted and turned by the left wing. None of us were part of the hillary investigation and know exactly what happened, we didn’t get a 400 page report on it and I’m not quick to believe the narratives I hear coming out of the media.

What exactly do you think Hillary was hiding?

Let’s assume the worst, she deleted emails and destroyed hard drives. What could be the worst thing she was hiding?! What’s the major crime that’s got you so worked up? I said earlier that it was shady and I didn’t vote for her. I’d be critical of Trump if he did the same thing. I’m critical of Trump over the Russia thing because he lies all the time but I’v also said the investigation went on way to long and was over politicized.

i guess i could point to numerous sites of hillary lies that simply don't seem to bother you. would it help?

as for "what was the crime" - well to me it's simply:

FBI: we need your mail.
Hillary: DELETE DELETE DELETE DESTROY DRIVE.
Hillary: oh those were yoga lessons and wedding plans, what did you say?

if someone is coming to investigate your e-mail practices and you delete your e-mail and destroy what i was on - you honestly don't consider that a party foul?

you hide things when you bleachbit. period. what was she hiding? dunno. maybe nothing. but i certainly don't hire IT personnel to hit newsgroups to find out how to ensure data can't be recovered if "nothing".

would you?

and i give up on the base question at this point. it was beyond shady and i doubt if trump did it you'd be as calm as you are hillary did it.

i don't care who would have done it - i'd be furious. my liking you wouldn't stop me from telling you that you F'd up.

we tend to forgive those we like and allow a lot we'd never allow for those we hate. we've amplified that behavior into an extreme nature and now we simply hate.

tired of it.

I’ve said she was shady numerous times. I was simply asking what you think she was deleting that was so bad, let’s peel thing thing back and assume the worst case. What do you think she was hiding? Candid conversations that she didn’t want leaked and politicized? Illegal activity?

The lady used a private email account, I just don’t see the seriousness of that crime. Was it wrong? yes, does she deserve scrutiny? yes. She lost the presidency because of it. She’s not working in government anymore. It’s over move on.

I think a large part of Trumps lies are solely because of ego and trying to control how he is perceived in the media. I think this whole Russia thing could have been avoided if he had some tact and integrity.

she didn't just use a private e-mail account. people keep at that like using gmail or yahoo is the same thing.

she had the physical server in her house to do with as she wishes. and she did. yahoo and google can give you all the mail you want from those accounts even if you delete it from your own view.

she can make it all go away. she did.

what is the harm? she destroyed what the government specifically asked to see. if you don't view that an issue i'm pretty certain i'll never be intelligent enough to explain it deeper at this point.

we think you're doing something shady and want to see your e-mail.
sorry - i deleted it.

would never wash for me, you and 99% of the people. that 1% playing wordsmith games with our system and politics need to go and need to follow the same laws they put into play we're expected to follow.

and no, she's not gone yet.