Two quotes, who said them?

[slackjawed]

Because of a discussion in another thread, I am interested to see how many will answer these questions correctly.

The first quote;
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

The second quote;
He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

Thanks in advance for your civil respones!
I am getting off to spend the evening with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

 

[hjmick]

Because of a discussion in another thread, I am interested to see how many will answer these questions correctly.

The first quote;
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

Marx, and no, it does not "fit."

The second quote;
He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

Thanks in advance for your civil respones!
I am getting off to spend the evening with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

This is from II Thessalonians, and it was the slogan used by Captain John Smith when he set up Jamestown. As far as I'm concerned, it makes sense, despite Lenin's use of the phrase.

 

[Diuretic]

Marx and Lenin. As hj has pointed out.

Marx's comments probably don't fit with traditional American values.

Lenin's remarks were in the context of a civil drama and part of a criticism of exploiters during a time of food shortage.

Quotes, as with many things, depend on context.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Because of a discussion in another thread, I am interested to see how many will answer these questions correctly.

The first quote;
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

The second quote;
He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

Thanks in advance for your civil respones!
I am getting off to spend the evening with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

You already got an answer as to the authors so I will answer your questions very briefly. If you want me to go into more detail i can.

The first quote does not fit american values.
The second quote does not fit american values.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Because of a discussion in another thread, I am interested to see how many will answer these questions correctly.

The first quote;
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

The second quote;
He who does not work, neither shall he eat.

Who said it, or who popularized it. Does this 'slogan' fit the traditional American set of values?

Thanks in advance for your civil respones!
I am getting off to spend the evening with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

You already got an answer as to the authors so I will answer your questions very briefly. If you want me to go into more detail i can.

The first quote does not fit american values.
The second quote does not fit american values.

That's a contradiction. If the latter is not true, then American values call for all to be able to eat and have the other resources they need, even those unable to work. Since no man can reasonably be expected to do more than he is able, this means Louis Blanc's paraphrasing of Henri de Saint Simon (Marx did not originate the phrase) is in line with American values unless you believe America expects a man to do more than he is possibly able.

The first quote is in line with the virtues of progressive and humanitarian Americans. The latter is in line with the Bourgeois capitalists and the ideology they foster.

except for when the latter term is used in communo-socialist circles as an attack upon the Oisifs (parasitic Bourgeois), to imply that they should not be allowed benefit from the labour of others and act as parasites upon society- such usage, however, leads to much need for clarification, and for that reason i consider it an inappropriate slogan.

 

[xotoxi]

Who said:

I am going to spend the evening getting off with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

 

[Dr Grump]

Who said:

I am going to spend the evening getting off with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

Kathi?

 

[xotoxi]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

The second quote describes how animals in the wild would live.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

The second quote describes how animals in the wild would live.

 

[slackjawed]

Who said:

I am going to spend the evening getting off with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

I said that, and enjoyed our evening as well.

 

[uscitizen]

Who said:

I am going to spend the evening getting off with my lovely wife and will look in on this thread in the morning.

Ellen Degeneres (sp?) ?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

Here's a quote:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome."

Who said it?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Quotes, as with many things, depend on context.

Most of the time that's code for, "if we don't like what it literally says, we claim it's out of context so we can twist it to say what we want it to say, and when we don't like the context we conveniently ignore it."

 

[xotoxi]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

 

[slackjawed]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

I have to agree with you. When both of these statements were made, those that made them were not in government. In fact, the Lenin quote is not his at all, he took it from the Christian Bible. When Marx coined the first quote, it had been in use for some time. the real origin is not known for sure. When it was first used, it was used against the Tsars of Russia, outlining what the serfs were asking from the Tsar Peter.
Both phrases were however used as rallying cries during the Russian Revolution and continue to be two main tenants of communism.
I posted this thread because a discussion elsewhere where a woman claimed the first quote was said by Thomas Jefferson. I simply wanted to see how many would recognize where they came from.

 

[Diuretic]

Quotes, as with many things, depend on context.

Most of the time that's code for, "if we don't like what it literally says, we claim it's out of context so we can twist it to say what we want it to say, and when we don't like the context we conveniently ignore it."

Remember the John Stuart Mill quote about war? That's what I mean. Context is everything.

And of course there's the "it was never said/written" type such as the false attribution to George Orwell about the "rough men" allowing others to sleep.

Sometimes a quote can flesh out a post or an essay nicely but it has to be accurately used or it's obvious that the user didn't bother to make sure it was entirely appropriate.

 

[California Girl]

The first quote describes how civilized humans would live.

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

So you're okay if I stop working and you can pay my mortgage for me. Great.

Now, who is gonna pay the rest of my bills? Volunteers please.

 

[Diuretic]

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

So you're okay if I stop working and you can pay my mortgage for me. Great.

Now, who is gonna pay the rest of my bills? Volunteers please.

You no work, you no get money, you no pay bank, you lose house. You no pay your bills, you get in trouble, you lose credit rating, you need new id

 

[California Girl]

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

So you're okay if I stop working and you can pay my mortgage for me. Great.

Now, who is gonna pay the rest of my bills? Volunteers please.

You no work, you no get money, you no pay bank, you lose house. You no pay your bills, you get in trouble, you lose credit rating, you need new id

Anyone who thinks the first quote is the way that a civilized society lives is a fool. If I work to support other people, why should I work? Why can't I be one of the supported? Eventually, no one works because it is not fair. I work, I pay my bills, you work, you pay yours. See, that's fair.

Other than that, it is for each individual to decide for themselves whether they help their fellow man. I do, that is my choice. I resent other people telling me I have to.

 

[xotoxi]

State-sponsored theft is civilized?

I didn't see anything in the first quote regarding "state" or "government".

So you're okay if I stop working and you can pay my mortgage for me. Great.

Now, who is gonna pay the rest of my bills? Volunteers please.

You stopping working is not a "need". It is a "want". Doesn't count.

If you lost both of your arms in an accident and could not work, then you would have a "need".

It also says "From each according to his ability..." What is your ability? You need to play along if you want to be a member of society.