Two party system

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    Does anyone think that the two party system will ever relinquish its' hold on America?
    I know there is the Green Party and the Libertarian Party but does anyone think there will ever be a third party that will ever give the Democrats and Republicans a serious run for their money?
     
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    The country is pretty much in the center of both parties. It is a small population of die hard followers on either end of the political spectrum. These people however controll a great majority of political clout. They do not however represent the major voting block. The middle or centerist voters are the largest source of voters. These people can identify with both parties and with both paltforms. However these people are uniformed voters. The only politics they hear about are teh 2 sec sound bites on the news. So they bye into the big problem simple soulution thing. These people these centrists are the reason why we can only have a two party system. a thrid party only plays a spoiler role. If the thrid aprty canadite is left the repo's benifite. If the thrid party is right the dem's benifite. If you want to know why we have only two parties blame the middle. Not the extrems.
     
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    I think to be free of the two party system, we sould have to change the electoral process. In the US, the election is decided by majority, and the winner takes all. Hence the considerable reaction against someone like Nader who threatens to render irrelevant a significant number of votes. Anyone who likes the positions of Nader will have to think more than twice about giving him their vote, as he has no chance whatsoever of winning and therefore no practical utility. Some will be satisfied by sending the message to the Democrats (again) that they no longer represent the positions of the left.

    In most democratic systems, the election is not decided by the majority, but rather by proportion. The party which wins an absolute majority still gains absolute control of the government, while if no party wins absolute majority, a pact must be formed by two or more parties, and power must be shared. This system, obviously, has its benefits and its weaknesses.
     
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    Third parties may in time, long or short, become one of the two dominant parties, Nader alluded to such on Meet the Press, regarding the Republican Party prior to the Civil War. It happened several times during the early years of the government.

    The idea that the 'hard core' of either party is uninformed is not correct. The problem is that those that are active in politics also have ideologies that brought them where they are, thus they find more validity in reports that affirm their point of view, i.e., Democrats tend to like the New Republic and MoveOn.org; while Republicans tend more to the WSJ and The National Review.

    However, within each party there are those to the ends with the Republicans having problems with the Pat Buchanan and the Libertarians. The Democrats with the Michael Moore and Southern Christian Democrats. The extremes of either party are those that could break off and spin a new party.
     
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    One obstacle for the formation of third and fourth parties is our first-past-the-post electoral system, not had in Europe, which has everything from socialist parties to pro-white parties.

    There is NO difference between the Demorats and RepubliKHANs. Both serve Israel and Mexico instead of the U.S., and always will. They are both run by skullandbone Yalies who have abandoned America.
     
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    You could make an argument for the GOP supporting both Mexico and Israel, or at least the administration. However, trust me the argument will not extend to DNC. Conservatives for the most part disagree with the administration regarding this in part, which will be discussed in following. However, recognize the differences, they are real.
     
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    First, we need to get rid of government subsidy of campaigns. In order to receive federal matching funds, a candidate must have received 5% of the votes in an election. All this does is maintain the two-party stranglehold.

    The only way campaign financing reform will work is to forbid corporate, union and PAC donations - and only to allow individual contributions.
     
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    what other parties are there? Is there a communist party? there must be an Islamic one... even an objectivist one?

    Canada had three main parties (2 really) until a fourth came into the picture (Reform party) and they became the 'third' party, and then the opposition! So it could happen in the US, if the social conditions are right, and the advertising bucks show up...
     
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    So how are you voting, William? Maybe we are serving an israeli overlord, at least Bush will do it well.
     
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    Dunno. I live in New York, haven't seen how I write in someone. I voted for Bush in '00, feel pretty dumb about that. I've voted for Republicans since I could vote, but in the years since turning 18, I've become, ahem, a bit more patriotic, shall we say.

    How about writing in Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado, the only man to oppose immigration?
     

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