Two Party System

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    Lots of folks I've spoken to have criticized our two-party system, and I've even read a few posts concerning that here.

    Does anyone support this layout anymore?
     
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    I've heard it said that more than 2 parties isn't exactly a panacea either.
     
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    I think that there should be no parties....Zero, zilch, nada...you want to run for office? Do it on your own dime and with your own beliefs.

    There is no need for a national party.
     
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    I'm not on board with folks coming up with their own little ideas. I affirm the organized, caucus-driven approach to building a political platform.
     
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    it would be nice in theory to have more choices and ideas. Of course, if you look at it for the elections and congress you find it would not work.

    in elections you need 50 percent of the votes, or 50 percent of the electoral votes. With just three parties you have trouble getting that with a split, or you kill two of the parties right off the bat.

    Then we have congress. We cannot get a lot passed because of party line voting instead of voting for ideas that would be good. That is with just two parties. Imagine 3 or four parties who never agree and consider compromise a horrible thing. One party comes up with an idea, and the other three oppose them because they did not come up with the idea.

    This is the way it will work because political power is held by the number of people you have backing it. In order to get power you have to group. In order to keep power you have to be loyal to the group. It keeps on leading down the same road. Even if you split the groups up they would form alliances to get things passed, and eventually you would have two groups again.

    You can try to blame republicans or democrats for this, but really it is the nature of humans and how they deal with power.
     
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    Nice in theory?

    You do realise that every other developed country in the world has multi-party democracy in practice right?

    Why do parties need 50% of the vote....I have no idea what you mean by that.

    Look, if there 8 - 10 major parties, then you hve 8 - 10 clearly different agendas to choose between. In the US there would be a Greens Party, a Tea Party party, the Dems would split into one Centre Party and one social Democract Party, there might be a Christian Party, a Socialist Party...that is REAL choice.

    I don't see a downside for it.
     
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    We do have a two party system, no doubt about that. But, if we are going to expand to more than two major parties, it needs to at least be 4 parties. Three party system will just syphon off liberals or syphon off conservatives, leaving the existing major party to reap the benefits of splintering the other party into two.
     
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    Yes, that's true.

    The UK is, in effect, stuck with 3 parties and it just ends up being a 2-against-1 election every time.

    Most countries in Europe probably have around 8 parties actually in parliament, and that is probably about right.
     
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    The Party Insiders of Both Parties support it, and sustain it. For all their fighting with Each other, they work together Very well when it comes to making sure nobody else is even allowed a chance to play in the game.
     
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    Ok I try and Be nice but you just Demonstrated some ignorance about our system.

    1. In an election you do not need 50% of the Vote. Bill Clinton for example won with less than 50%, It's called a plurality, when more than 2 Candidates are Running, the one who gets the Highest % wins.


    Now in Congress I don't see where it would be a Problem. It would be like a Parliamentary Model in Europe where if the Party in Power wants to get things done, they have to Form a Collision with one or more of the other parties members in Congress to get it done.
     

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