Two never-finished Navy ships headed to scrap yard 300 million down the drain.

[MikeFrank]

They are the two ships no one wanted, almost constantly embroiled in one dispute or another for the past 25 years. The two Navy behemoths have never gone on a mission, were never even completed, yet they cost taxpayers at least $300 million.

Now the vessels, the Benjamin Isherwood and the Henry Eckford, are destined to leave Virginia waters for good and be scrapped at a Texas salvage yard, with no money coming back to the U.S. Treasury.


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[uscitizen]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

 

[Trajan]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

we could cut our medicare budget by 25% by just cutting waste.

damn , that was easy...

 

[uscitizen]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

we could cut our medicare budget by 25% by just cutting waste.

damn , that was easy...

Yep we could. we do not need to buy scooters and such, and lets put some teeth in medicare fraud laws.
Make the fine 200% of the money defrauded so it is not just a cost of doing business.

 

[Ragnar]

They should rename the ships, the "Republican" and the "Democrat".

We could cut all government spending by a third if we eliminated waste fraud and abuse. That would make for a pretty tax cut indeed.

 

[rightwinger]

Navy soaks up too much of the military budget as it is

They haven't done any real fighting in 65 years

 

[Too Tall]

Navy soaks up too much of the military budget as it is

They haven't done any real fighting in 65 years

Just one example of why you are a fucking idiot.

USS Abraham Lincoln and the carrier battle group and airwing helped deliver the opening salvos and air strikes in Operation Iraqi Freedom. During her deployment, some 16,500 sorties were flown and 1.6 million pounds of ordnance used. Sea Control Squadron 35 (VS-35), the "Blue Wolves", was instrumental in delivering over 1 million pounds of fuel to these strike aircraft, one of the largest aerial refueling undertakings by a carrier aviation squadron in history.

 

[Trajan]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

we could cut our medicare budget by 25% by just cutting waste.

damn , that was easy...

Yep we could. we do not need to buy scooters and such, and lets put some teeth in medicare fraud laws.
Make the fine 200% of the money defrauded so it is not just a cost of doing business.

well I have to agree on one thing, that Hoveround gig? brother, you know how much medicare pays for one of those?

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[georgephillip]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

 

[Trajan]

Navy soaks up too much of the military budget as it is

They haven't done any real fighting in 65 years

tell it to Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines when they can't use the south china sea without permission from the Chinese....

 

[Trajan]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion,

links please

 

[JoeB131]

They are the two ships no one wanted, almost constantly embroiled in one dispute or another for the past 25 years. The two Navy behemoths have never gone on a mission, were never even completed, yet they cost taxpayers at least $300 million.

Now the vessels, the Benjamin Isherwood and the Henry Eckford, are destined to leave Virginia waters for good and be scrapped at a Texas salvage yard, with no money coming back to the U.S. Treasury.


More : Two never-finished Navy ships headed to scrap yard 300 million down the drain.

Well, a few thoughts here.

The thing is, in our military spending, we don't spend based on what our needs are, but on giving the Air Force, Navy and Army equal slices of the pie. Except of course, that usually means the Army, which is really the force doing all the fighting these days, (along with the part of the Navy spent on the Marines) gets the short shrift while the Navy spends money on ships we don't need.

Of the largest navies in the world that could potentially challenge us, most of them are allied - UK, France, Italy - and the few that aren't are limited. The Russian Navy sits rusting in its ports, China doesn't sport anything bigger than a destroyer.

So the Navy spends money on these oilers, which they didn't need because 1) most of the big ships are nuclear now and 2) there are plenty of friendly ports around the world to fill up at if need be.

 

[georgephillip]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion,

links please

What would you consider a credible source?

Do you think Dennis would lie about this?

"The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September."

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

 

[Conservative]

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion,

links please

What would you consider a credible source?

Do you think Dennis would lie about this?

"The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September."

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

would the CBO?
CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act - FoxNews.com

According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.

 

[georgephillip]

links please

What would you consider a credible source?

Do you think Dennis would lie about this?

"The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September."

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

would the CBO?
CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act - FoxNews.com

According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.

The CBO numbers tally what has been spent so far in Iraq.
The total cost will be multiples of their number, if history is any judge.

"The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

"Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion.

"This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war."

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

 

[rightwinger]

Navy soaks up too much of the military budget as it is

They haven't done any real fighting in 65 years

Just one example of why you are a fucking idiot.

USS Abraham Lincoln and the carrier battle group and airwing helped deliver the opening salvos and air strikes in Operation Iraqi Freedom. During her deployment, some 16,500 sorties were flown and 1.6 million pounds of ordnance used. Sea Control Squadron 35 (VS-35), the "Blue Wolves", was instrumental in delivering over 1 million pounds of fuel to these strike aircraft, one of the largest aerial refueling undertakings by a carrier aviation squadron in history.

When was the last time the Navy made a difference in a war? 1945

Still they have monopolized the military budget for 65 years

 

[sitarro]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

Wow, quoting Dennis Kucinich in an article from Common Dreams, I'll take that as gospel........ and I bet you would be the first to put down information from FOX.

 

[Trajan]

What would you consider a credible source?

Do you think Dennis would lie about this?

"The war in Iraq, based on lies: $3 trillion will be the cost of that war. The war in Afghanistan; based on a misreading of history; half a trillion dollars in expenses already. The war against Libya will be $1 billion by September."

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

would the CBO?
CBO: Eight Years of Iraq War Cost Less Than Stimulus Act - FoxNews.com

According to CBO numbers in its Budget and Economic Outlook published this month, the cost of Operation Iraqi Freedom was $709 billion for military and related activities, including training of Iraqi forces and diplomatic operations.

The CBO numbers tally what has been spent so far in Iraq.
The total cost will be multiples of their number, if history is any judge.

"The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

"Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion.

"This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war."

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

*sigh*


here ya go george..

page 7.....congressional research service.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

 

[rightwinger]

Navy soaks up too much of the military budget as it is

They haven't done any real fighting in 65 years

tell it to Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines when they can't use the south china sea without permission from the Chinese....

Let them pay the Navy budget

 

[georgephillip]

We could cut our mililtary budget by 25% just by cutting waste.

War takes money from productive Americans and gives it to arms manufacturers and. increasingly, private armies. The lie in Iraq will cost $3 trillion, Afghanistan will consume half a trillion dollars and Libya looks to haul in its first billion by September.

Fifty percent of discretionary spending goes to the Pentagon which is nothing but a massive transfer of wealth into the hands of a few already rich Americans while the majority of their countrymen lack sufficient jobs, health care and housing, not to mention retirement security.

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans' Wealth Is Stolen | Common Dreams

Wow, quoting Dennis Kucinich in an article from Common Dreams, I'll take that as gospel........ and I bet you would be the first to put down information from FOX.

In 2003 Bush estimated the cost of the Iraq war at fifty to sixty billion dollars.

How's that workin for all you hackers at FOX?

"The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

"Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war."

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond