Twice as many people working for the government than in all of manufacturing!

How did they get "forced" by the left again?

Well gee I don't know how about insane environmental policy's. Or the asinine cost of doing business in this nation. or hell how the fact that the left has failed so badly in our education system that our work force is an utter joke compared to nations like India for good sakes.

I'm betting you don't remember being told what was going to happen a very long time ago with the left's policy's but we were told 'Oh no we want a "Service based economy" well now you've got your "service based economy" don't like it so much eh?

Let's look at today shall we .......what do we see from the left Business are EVIL tax them into non existence Business owner are rich fat cat TAX THEM into non existence the complete demonetization of our Business's by the left and now you're whining they've moved over sea's?........Really?

They build the i-pad overseas with workers that are paid 30 cents an hour.

How do you propose we bring those jobs to America?

How much can we save by polluting to make up for that?

So are you suggesting that we continue being utterly hostile to the business like we are currently seeing now? Do you really think being more aggressive against business will help the situation?

This class warfare crap the left left seems to like is coming back to bite to bite them as we are seeing I sure as hell wouldn't stay here if I had the chance to move overseas it makes no sense to do so
 
Conservatives want our manufacturing done overseas, at the lowest possible labor cost, because that is a shining example of the so-called free market at work.

Half the people I know who work in government around here are ex-factory workers whose factories no longer exist. They didn't take government jobs because they were a cushy step up,

they took them because they were pretty much all that was left.

If you dont mind paying 6'000 bucks for a 30 in.TV we could keep the manufacturing jobs here.
And there lies the problem. Americans want low priced goods.
All we do is consume,we do not produce. Because we cant compete with china.
So everyone who whines about jobs going over seas.....next time you buy a 60 in. TV for
2'500 hundred bucks,remember your the problem.
 
Conservatives want our manufacturing done overseas, at the lowest possible labor cost, because that is a shining example of the so-called free market at work.

Half the people I know who work in government around here are ex-factory workers whose factories no longer exist. They didn't take government jobs because they were a cushy step up,

they took them because they were pretty much all that was left.

If you dont mind paying 6'000 bucks for a 30 in.TV we could keep the manufacturing jobs here.
And there lies the problem. Americans want low priced goods.
All we do is consume,we do not produce. Because we cant compete with china.
So everyone who whines about jobs going over seas.....next time you buy a 60 in. TV for
2'500 hundred bucks,remember your the problem.

That would be true except there is no other alternative TV to buy because the corps have taken over the playing field and hires the refs too.

Americans want low priced goods, true. But on the global job market there is no way to compete with people who live in squalor unless we as Americans choose to do the same.
 
And the CEOs multi-million dollar salaries do not play into the cost of manufatcuring?:eusa_eh:

Divide the pay a CEO gets by the number of units a company sells and guess what? It really is a drop in the bucket in the cost of an item.

Lets look at Boeing for example of a high end product. A 737 costs 80 million, a 747 around 250 million. Lets take the average at $165 million. Boeing's CEO made 19.7 million in 2010, but Boeing has 2 major components, Defense with 68k employees, and commerical airlines at 58k or so. lets be generous and split it 50/50, ignoring any other products. So $9.85 million is the compensation for the commerical side. in 2008 Boeing shipped 407 units, so the CEO cost per unit is $24,201 per unit, or 0.01% of the aircraft's cost.

Now, high end items like aircraft are really not the issue, it is more low end items like clothes, or cheap electronics. I can assume the numbers are the same for those, or at least similar. I will try to do some math on those, but it makes the whole CEO thing a bit of a red herring.

Ridiculous.

In your example:
Did the CEO do the designs on his own?
Does the CEO manufacture the products on his own?
Does the CEO ship to the clients on his own?
Does the CEO maintain all the relationships and partnerships on his own?

If not..then why his he entitled to a salary equal to those of several hundred people combined?

Most of today's CEO's didn't start the companies they head..and work pretty much the same hours that the average joe works. Add in..alot of that time is spent "schmoozing" on the tax payer's dime..as in they can write off a good deal of their "entertainment" expenses.

Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.
 
Divide the pay a CEO gets by the number of units a company sells and guess what? It really is a drop in the bucket in the cost of an item.

Lets look at Boeing for example of a high end product. A 737 costs 80 million, a 747 around 250 million. Lets take the average at $165 million. Boeing's CEO made 19.7 million in 2010, but Boeing has 2 major components, Defense with 68k employees, and commerical airlines at 58k or so. lets be generous and split it 50/50, ignoring any other products. So $9.85 million is the compensation for the commerical side. in 2008 Boeing shipped 407 units, so the CEO cost per unit is $24,201 per unit, or 0.01% of the aircraft's cost.

Now, high end items like aircraft are really not the issue, it is more low end items like clothes, or cheap electronics. I can assume the numbers are the same for those, or at least similar. I will try to do some math on those, but it makes the whole CEO thing a bit of a red herring.

Ridiculous.

In your example:
Did the CEO do the designs on his own?
Does the CEO manufacture the products on his own?
Does the CEO ship to the clients on his own?
Does the CEO maintain all the relationships and partnerships on his own?

If not..then why his he entitled to a salary equal to those of several hundred people combined?

Most of today's CEO's didn't start the companies they head..and work pretty much the same hours that the average joe works. Add in..alot of that time is spent "schmoozing" on the tax payer's dime..as in they can write off a good deal of their "entertainment" expenses.

Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.

The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
I wonder if I have ever seen any far right poster defend the Middle Class, I don't think so.
 
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The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
The above is a perfect example of acting as an apologist for massive bureaucratic bloat, by deflecting and smoke-blowing about CEOs.
 
Ridiculous.

In your example:
Did the CEO do the designs on his own?
Does the CEO manufacture the products on his own?
Does the CEO ship to the clients on his own?
Does the CEO maintain all the relationships and partnerships on his own?

If not..then why his he entitled to a salary equal to those of several hundred people combined?

Most of today's CEO's didn't start the companies they head..and work pretty much the same hours that the average joe works. Add in..alot of that time is spent "schmoozing" on the tax payer's dime..as in they can write off a good deal of their "entertainment" expenses.

Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.

The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?

Even if you cut the CEO's salary down to $1 the cost per unit for most items will still be far higher if made here than made overseas. Most of your cost is labor, materials, and regulatory, and all are cheaper in some other countries.

How is paying a guy $19M destroying the middle class when the cost of him per unit is under 1% of the total item cost?
 
Conservatives want our manufacturing done overseas, at the lowest possible labor cost, because that is a shining example of the so-called free market at work.

Half the people I know who work in government around here are ex-factory workers whose factories no longer exist. They didn't take government jobs because they were a cushy step up,

they took them because they were pretty much all that was left.

I did not support NAFTA nor the 1999 free trade agreement with China. Why do you think these are conservatives want?
 
Government is a growth industry.

But not to worry sooner or later the parasite kills the host. We'll all be dead very soon at this rate.
 
Ridiculous.

In your example:
Did the CEO do the designs on his own?
Does the CEO manufacture the products on his own?
Does the CEO ship to the clients on his own?
Does the CEO maintain all the relationships and partnerships on his own?

If not..then why his he entitled to a salary equal to those of several hundred people combined?

Most of today's CEO's didn't start the companies they head..and work pretty much the same hours that the average joe works. Add in..alot of that time is spent "schmoozing" on the tax payer's dime..as in they can write off a good deal of their "entertainment" expenses.

Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.

The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
I wonder if I have ever seen any far right poster defend the Middle Class, I don't think so.

I am a part of the middle class! What has eroded my life style is moving up into higher and higher tax brackets. This has happen because my government has continuously debase the currency. You propose class warfare. how are you not a Marxist?
 
Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.

The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
I wonder if I have ever seen any far right poster defend the Middle Class, I don't think so.

I am a part of the middle class! What has eroded my life style is moving up into higher and higher tax brackets. This has happen because my government has continuously debase the currency. You propose class warfare. how are you not a Marxist?

Moving up the tax bracket eroded your lifestyle?

You do realize, the higher you are on the tax bracket, the more you're taking home NET, after taxes, than before right?
 
The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
The above is a perfect example of acting as an apologist for massive bureaucratic bloat, by deflecting and smoke-blowing about CEOs.

Talk about deflection? Let's address the the thirty year plight of the middle class with basically zero wage growth. Fuck, you won't be happy until the working class's wages are competitive with the workers in Third World economies.
I bet you are so naive, that you think trickle down really works, thus your worship of the uber-wealthy! Thirty-year wage growth (or lack of) shows otherwise. Talk about missing the Big Picture.
 
Divide the pay a CEO gets by the number of units a company sells and guess what? It really is a drop in the bucket in the cost of an item.

Lets look at Boeing for example of a high end product. A 737 costs 80 million, a 747 around 250 million. Lets take the average at $165 million. Boeing's CEO made 19.7 million in 2010, but Boeing has 2 major components, Defense with 68k employees, and commerical airlines at 58k or so. lets be generous and split it 50/50, ignoring any other products. So $9.85 million is the compensation for the commerical side. in 2008 Boeing shipped 407 units, so the CEO cost per unit is $24,201 per unit, or 0.01% of the aircraft's cost.

Now, high end items like aircraft are really not the issue, it is more low end items like clothes, or cheap electronics. I can assume the numbers are the same for those, or at least similar. I will try to do some math on those, but it makes the whole CEO thing a bit of a red herring.

Ridiculous.

In your example:
Did the CEO do the designs on his own?
Does the CEO manufacture the products on his own?
Does the CEO ship to the clients on his own?
Does the CEO maintain all the relationships and partnerships on his own?

If not..then why his he entitled to a salary equal to those of several hundred people combined?

Most of today's CEO's didn't start the companies they head..and work pretty much the same hours that the average joe works. Add in..alot of that time is spent "schmoozing" on the tax payer's dime..as in they can write off a good deal of their "entertainment" expenses.

Great example of class war fare. How does the CEO not deserve his/her pay? By what right does anyone have to take his/her property? Why are you oppose to economic freedom? This going after the rich, is how we all ended up with our tax burden.

H. Ross Perot warned us our factories would disappear if NAFTA passed and he was right. Our governments, Federal, State and local don't want factories. It cost one billion dollars more to build a factory in the United States than else where. Businesses exist to make a profit. If I wanted to build a factory, I would build it in Mexico and save a billion. It is immoral for anyone to take my profits or tell me how much I can pay my CEO.

I hate socialism. In all its forms. I hate others forcing me to live under it. This country was not designed to be a socialist country. Socialism sees only groups, not individuals. I believe it has harmed every group it tried to help. It is human nature to act in ones own self interest. This acting in ones self interest is why socialism always fails. It is failing in every country in the western world.

So the founding fathers were wrong to about Corporations?
 
The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
The above is a perfect example of acting as an apologist for massive bureaucratic bloat, by deflecting and smoke-blowing about CEOs.

Talk about deflection? Let's address the the thirty year plight of the middle class with basically zero wage growth. Fuck, you won't be happy until the working class's wages are competitive with the workers in Third World economies.
I bet you are so naive, that you think trickle down really works, thus your worship of the uber-wealthy! Thirty-year wage growth (or lack of) shows otherwise. Talk about missing the Big Picture.

Yes the Exponential growth of tax's and tax burden on the middle class have helped them so much right?? Or do you figure that doesn't count hmmmm?
 
The above is a perfect example of acting as an apologist for massive bureaucratic bloat, by deflecting and smoke-blowing about CEOs.

Talk about deflection? Let's address the the thirty year plight of the middle class with basically zero wage growth. Fuck, you won't be happy until the working class's wages are competitive with the workers in Third World economies.
I bet you are so naive, that you think trickle down really works, thus your worship of the uber-wealthy! Thirty-year wage growth (or lack of) shows otherwise. Talk about missing the Big Picture.

Yes the Exponential growth of tax's and tax burden on the middle class have helped them so much right?? Or do you figure that doesn't count hmmmm?

Taxes are historically high right now? I don't think so.
 
The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
The above is a perfect example of acting as an apologist for massive bureaucratic bloat, by deflecting and smoke-blowing about CEOs.

Talk about deflection? Let's address the the thirty year plight of the middle class with basically zero wage growth. Fuck, you won't be happy until the working class's wages are competitive with the workers in Third World economies.
I bet you are so naive, that you think trickle down really works, thus your worship of the uber-wealthy! Thirty-year wage growth (or lack of) shows otherwise. Talk about missing the Big Picture.
No, let's dispense with the deflection and boilerplate bitching about the plight of the proletariat and stick to the topic, which is runaway expansion of bureaucracy.

Talk about worship of the moocher class....Fuck, you won't be happy until we're all gubmint lackeys.
 
The above is a perfect example of the far right's thought process. Defend the CEO's salaries and thusly endorse their policies of destroying the Middle Class.
Why is it that this thought process is the norm for the far right and why do they have no problem with a disappearing working middle class?
I wonder if I have ever seen any far right poster defend the Middle Class, I don't think so.

I am a part of the middle class! What has eroded my life style is moving up into higher and higher tax brackets. This has happen because my government has continuously debase the currency. You propose class warfare. how are you not a Marxist?

Moving up the tax bracket eroded your lifestyle?

You do realize, the higher you are on the tax bracket, the more you're taking home NET, after taxes, than before right?

inflation is how we are moved into higher tax brackets. Yes my take home does increase. so does the cost of living. The taxes increases as a percentage, decreasing your discretionary money. If the taxes were not withheld from our check and Americans had to write a check to Uncle SAM every month. There would have been a tax revolt 40 years ago.:mad:
 
Ok, I see whats going on here...Anyone who thinks American workers cannot compete with third world nations is a socialist or a marxist.

If that is the case then I am both of those. Americans cannot and should not have to compete against nations that are stuck in the stone age. The founding fathers feared unchecked power and influence in the hands of a few.

Somehow (through branding) that has changed in America and now we argue and fight each other over giving them more power over us.
 

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