Turns out that even the skeptics agree, the earth is warming abnormally

[Vast LWC]

Climate skeptics perform independent analysis, finally convinced Earth is getting warmer

Climate skeptics perform independent analysis, finally convinced Earth is getting warmer

Yep, even skeptics like Richard Muller and Anthony Watts are now admitting that Global Warming is in fact a real phenomena.

Although, in a move that would be funny if it weren't so sad, Global Warming doubter Anthony Watts is claiming that's what he said all along...

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Are you an alternate account of BDboop?

 

[Vast LWC]

No, not at all. I'm just following the latest news stories, and opening discussions.

Why did he post the same thing?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

No, not at all. I'm just following the latest news stories, and opening discussions.

Why did he post the same thing?

No, she is just notorious for starting a lot of new threads and youve been very busy doing that lol

 

[Vast LWC]

No, not at all. I'm just following the latest news stories, and opening discussions.

Why did he post the same thing?

No, she is just notorious for starting a lot of new threads and youve been very busy doing that lol

This is my 3rd thread today. I haven't posted in a while, and I've got some bitching stored up.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

No, not at all. I'm just following the latest news stories, and opening discussions.

Why did he post the same thing?

No, she is just notorious for starting a lot of new threads and youve been very busy doing that lol

This is my 3rd thread today. I haven't posted in a while, and I've got some bitching stored up.

Have at it....

 

[Oddball]

Muller has already been debunked as a fake.

'Richard Muller has crassly fudged the distinction [between man-made warming and warming] to make a point which has nothing to do with science and everything to do with gutter politics....

Global warming is real – Telegraph Blogs

Hoodwinked by Berkeley Earth « Calder's Updates

WaPo Punked by Berkeley Warmist Posing as Skeptic | NewsBusters.org

 

[rdean]

Right wingers say global warming is about as "real" as evolution.

 

[Richard-H]

Anybody that ever doubted Global Warming has some serious psychological issues.

The same is true of people that believed that the President was not born in the U.S.A.

Also, of those that do not believe that there is a serious problem with wealth distribution.

Not surprising that these nut cases are all the same people!

 

[syrenn]

so we have 7-8 million years of data to compare this abnormal warming to?

I hate to break it to ya.... the earth warms and cools all on its own at both slow and fast rates.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Right wingers say global warming is about as "real" as evolution.

Lies

Global warming is real. The argument comes from why its warming.

And im a rightie and I do believe in evolution.

 

[Oddball]

Anybody that ever doubted Global Warming has some serious psychological issues.

Nobody with any sense is denying that the atmosphere hasn't warmed slightly over the last several centuries.

The same is true of people that believed that the President was not born in the U.S.A.

Also, of those that do not believe that there is a serious problem with wealth distribution.

Non sequitur and strawman.

Not surprising that these nut cases are all the same people!

Not surprising that you'd grasp at any and every logical fallacy available.

 

[The T]

Right wingers say global warming is about as "real" as evolution.

You dumbass...making shit up...science does show that it is changing...but it isn't man doing it...and evolution does happen...as it does with the Earth itself...it changed many times in it's supposed 4-5 billion year history...even before we ever arrived on the scene.

It's vain arrogant dopes like you that thinks man can do thing he will never be capable of. There are larger forces at work...much larger than man.

 

[ScienceRocks]

It's true that we have warmed .8c since 1880, but the question is it a cycle? We all know that we had the roman warm period, mid evil warm period, little ice age, ect. Is this abnormal to what is expected to the cycle?

Who knows.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's geological cycles. It's been happening for millions of years. But this current crop of arrogant neanderthals comes along and decides that this just started happening?

 

[The T]

It's geological cycles. It's been happening for millions of years. But this current crop of arrogant neanderthals comes along and decides that this just started happening?

No kidding. Some give man too much credit for something they have no control over.

 

[The T]

It's true that we have warmed .8c since 1880, but the question is it a cycle? We all know that we had the roman warm period, mid evil warm period, little ice age, ect. Is this abnormal to what is expected to the cycle?

Who knows.

Noone really knows. there are so many external forces that can come into play...man isn't one of them...

 

[LordBrownTrout]

It's geological cycles. It's been happening for millions of years. But this current crop of arrogant neanderthals comes along and decides that this just started happening?

No kidding. Some give man too much credit for something they have no control over.

They're good at writing research grants/proposals but that's when the substance stops, govt money rolls in, and they're off to enlighten us all with endless garbage.

 

[Vast LWC]

All I am stating with this thread is that there were formerly a bunch of folks who claimed that the data was somehow falsified, and that the earth was not in fact warming.

There are still many who continue to spread this falsehood.

My point was that the warming data was not falsified, and now even the most vocal of the warming doubters have been convinced.

I personally believe from the data presented, that even though there have in fact been periods of warming in the past, the current period of warming seems to be accelerating at an abnormal rate even relative to those warming periods.

But that was not what was proven here.

What was proven here was that the data being used to back up the current theories surrounding Global Warming was in fact completely correct, at least as far as the actual temperature data is concerned.

 

[waltky]

So how `bout we start tradin' `em water fer oil, gallon fer gallon...

Global warming: Middle East's vital wet winters are disappearing
October 28, 2011 - Global warming is playing a significant role in diverting much-needed wet winter weather away from the increasingly dry Mediterranean, a new study led by a NOAA scientist suggests.

Winter droughts have become increasingly common in the Mediterranean region, particularly over the past 20 years, and a new study finds that global warming has driven at least half of the change. Drought conditions in this politically explosive region are expected to grow more severe over the course of the century unless countries begin to significantly reduce their emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide, many researchers say. Those emissions come from burning fossil fuels, as well as from land-use changes.

Winter storms historically have delivered most of the annual rain and snowfall to the already arid Mediterranean region. Yet precipitation measurements from the region and modeling studies point to a relatively rapid shift in the winter rain and snowfall trends that began in the 1970s, according to the study. That change could signal that the region "has moved into a new climate regime," says Martin Hoerling, a scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Earth Systems Research Laboratory in Boulder, Colo., and the study's lead author.

The shift is not the result of temperature trends in the region itself, Dr. Hoerling notes. Instead, he and his colleagues trace drier Mediterranean winters to changes in long-range atmospheric circulation patterns. These changes, the study suggests, are triggered by rising ocean temperatures in the tropical Indian Ocean, a trend scientists have previously attributed to climate change. When this area of the world's oceans is warmer than other tropical seas, the temperature difference appears to set up conditions over the North Atlantic that steer a higher proportion of Atlantic winter storms across northern Europe. The results have been accepted for publication in the Journal of Climate.

The study reaches "a very important conclusion, for a number of reasons," says Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute, a environmental-policy research group in Oakland, Calif., that focuses much of its effort on water-resource issues. From 60 to 80 percent of the region's water irrigates crops, researchers say. And existing sources of fresh water already are oversubscribed. "Water is critical for this region and has been for a long time," Dr. Gleick says. "The fact that climate change now appears to be making things worse or more severe is just more bad news for people who care about water conflicts and water scarcity in the Middle East."

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