Turkish newspaper: Conditions for Ankara to recognize the Kurdish state in KRG

[kirkuki]

13/04/2012

Turkish media sources said that Ankara agree to recognize the state of Kurdistan in Kurdish Iraq, according to several conditions.

The newspaper "Twilight News" daily: "The United States asked Turkey to recognize the state flag, because it's in their interest," adding: "Turkey may agree to this request for certain conditions."

According to the paper, the "Turkey demanded that both the United States of America and the Kurdistan Region to support its military operations against the PKK, and the closure of all outlets in front of him and give full support to Turkey in its war on this party."

It is noteworthy that senior officials in the Kurdistan Region, especially the Kurdish regional president Massoud Barzani has repeatedly asserted their willingness to cooperate with Turkey, except for the fighting and military operations against the party, and focus on dialogue and negotiations and decision-peaceful means to reach a final solution to the issue of Kurdish in Turkey.

PUKmedia

 

[kirkuki]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves , as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

 

[Artevelde]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves , as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

Iraqi Kurdistan is not an independent country. The idea of selling it fighter jets is a bit ludicrous. Maybe it will become independent one day if Iraq falls apart, but right now US policy is geared towards keeping Iraq intact.

As for the PKK, however you look at it, the PKK is a terrorist organisation and very anti-democratic. I sympathize with the striving for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey, but the only thing that would be worse for the Kurdish people than living under the Turkish army would be living under PKK rule.

 

[kirkuki]

Iraqi kurdistan is already independent in fact it has been since 1991 , only needs proclaiming and international recognition , and if the people of Kurdistan want to have their own state there should not be anything that US should have a say at , if we hold a referendum and majority want this there is not much you can do except using a veto , who cares Cezch republic is independent but Russia's veto stopped it from a UN membership , we are better off as a state rather than be part of an arabic chaotic Iraq which was established by the British and the French in 1923 without kurdish people's consent , we will set the records straight once and for all , there are plenty of counties who would buy our oil if US uses veto though . there are countries with populations of 200,000 i am sure 30+ million kurds too want a state to call theirs , we have had enuff genocides done towards us by countries invading our lands and within their artificial borders of Iraq Iran Syria and turkey , its not always about US interests it sometime is about the peoples interests too .

 

[Artevelde]

Iraqi kurdistan is already independent in fact it has been since 1991 , only needs proclaiming and international recognition , and if the people of Kurdistan want to have their own state there should not be anything that US should have a say at , if we hold a referendum and majority want this there is not much you can do except using a veto , who cares Cezch republic is independent but Russia's veto stopped it from a UN membership , we are better off as a state rather than be part of an arabic chaotic Iraq which was established by the British and the French in 1923 without kurdish people's consent , we will set the records straight once and for all , there are plenty of counties who would buy our oil if US uses veto though . there are countries with populations of 200,000 i am sure 30+ million kurds too want a state to call theirs , we have had enuff genocides done towards us by countries invading our lands and within their artificial borders of Iraq Iran Syria and turkey , its not always about US interests it sometime is about the peoples interests too .

Without US support Iraqi Kurdistan would be overrun in a heartbeat. Maybe independence will come someday, but right now this is not on the cards.

 

[kirkuki]

Kurdistan 2012 - YouTube

 

[kirkuki]

Without US support Iraqi Kurdistan would be overrun in a heartbeat. Maybe independence will come someday, but right now this is not on the cards.

what US blessings ? your talking to me from Belgium so your prob a turk but i am to let me American fellows on some infos. we south Kurdistanis helped US in Iraq invasion and instead US helped the Shiites and sold them weapons and now the Shiites in Iraq allying themselves with Iran and they are serving Iranian interests giving money to Syria , letting Iraqi space for Iranian weapons transferred to Syria , and finally they excluded ExxonMobil from Iraq's 4th round bidding and replaced it with a "Syrian oil company".

also i did not see Azawad proclaimed overrun by nobody but instead they are called upon to have negotiations by new Malli president , and they don't have US blessings !! sorry its not the ottoman empire era anymore , its the UN and Arab spring era . we will do it with or without US support , you are not the only super power in the world if you do not support , there is china and Russia , yes we prefer US first but if you disappoint there are others who will help ..

Kurdish people are going to hold a referendum very soon , 4.5 million of south(Iraqi) kurdistan will vote and what ever the result it , Kurdistan parliament will approve it .

 

[Artevelde]

Without US support Iraqi Kurdistan would be overrun in a heartbeat. Maybe independence will come someday, but right now this is not on the cards.

what US blessings ? your talking to me from Belgium so your prob a turk but i am to let me American fellows on some infos. we south Kurdistanis helped US in Iraq invasion and instead US helped the Shiites and sold them weapons and now the Shiites in Iraq allying themselves with Iran and they are serving Iranian interests giving money to Syria , letting Iraqi space for Iranian weapons transferred to Syria , and finally they excluded ExxonMobil from Iraq's 4th round bidding and replaced it with a "Syrian oil company".

also i did not see Azawad proclaimed overrun by nobody but instead they are called upon to have negotiations by new Malli president , and they don't have US blessings !! sorry its not the ottoman empire era anymore , its the UN and Arab spring era . we will do it with or without US support , you are not the only super power in the world if you do not support , there is china and Russia , yes we prefer US first but if you disappoint there are others who will help ..

Kurdish people are going to hold a referendum very soon , 4.5 million of south(Iraqi) kurdistan will vote and what ever the result it , Kurdistan parliament will approve it .

For one thing, I'm not Turkish. It is very stupid to make assumptions about people.
It is also very stupid to post things without thinking about them.
The whole autonomous structure of the Kurds in Northern Iraq wouldn't have existed without US support. That is simply a fact. It doesn't mean the aspirations of the Kurds are not legitimate. But it's important to keep both feet on the ground. Dreams have a way of turning into nightmares if you're not careful.

 

[kirkuki]

yes indeed but with a powerful modern army it will stand on its feet like Israel is .

 

[kirkuki]

Kurds including myself are pro Americans , it is time the USA shows its gratitude towards KRG(Kurdistan regional government) for the help in Iraq invasion and your so called ally turkey refused you to use its soil , its time US recognizes KRG as an independent state , it might have a domino affect in Syria and Iran , and prob turkey , but what will turkey have to lose if they gave kurds autonomy ? the only kurdish political party BDP in turkey only wants autonomy anyway !?

we will never ever interfere in other kurdish regions of other 3 parts that it up to the kurds their to achieve their own goals .

we will build a strong army to defend ourselves in case anyone close by tries to attack us .

i hope US Gov't remembers that KRG has 45 billion barrels of oil reserve as well as 200 CBF of natural gas.

 

[ekrem]

USA has moved out of Iraq, and is in the process of totally throwing Iraq's "weight" (burden) from US's shoulders.
What is your worth to USA, that USA should re-engage with the region and spend US money for your wellbeing? That the USA moved out without granting you "independence" already shows what worth you are to them.
The USA doesn't have the power to dictate its view to others in this case.
The opposition to "Kurdistan" in the regional constellation is simply too strong.

The North-Eastern Iraqis (Kurds) are at this point dependent on the pipeline that goes from Kerkuk (Iraq) to Yumurtalik-Ceyhan (Turkey).
They don't have anything else they export.
As a landlocked entity the KRG depends on friendliness of its neighbours.

yes indeed but with a powerful modern army it will stand on its feet like Israel is .

The US is giving her tanks, which are still mechanically operational to Greeks.
How many Peshmerga fought with the USA in the hotspot between Baghdad, Falluja and Tikrit? The Kurds mostly pursued their own interests when the USA occupied Iraq. They also benefited from the USA securing and stabilizing their periphery.

At the end - and the USA is at the end in Iraq - you evaluate everything.
Claims against reality.
Like an accountant. And the accountant gives its weapons from the Iraq war to Greece and not the North-Eastern Iraqis.

 

[Artevelde]

yes indeed but with a powerful modern army it will stand on its feet like Israel is .

A powerful modern army isn't built overnight and first of all the Kurdish government in Northern Iraq needs to get itself stabilized. This will take time and a lot of goodwill from the international community. It should also be careful not to antagonize minority groups such as Assyrian Christians and others.

 

[Artevelde]

Kurds including myself are pro Americans , it is time the USA shows its gratitude towards KRG(Kurdistan regional government) for the help in Iraq invasion and your so called ally turkey refused you to use its soil , its time US recognizes KRG as an independent state , it might have a domino affect in Syria and Iran , and prob turkey , but what will turkey have to lose if they gave kurds autonomy ? the only kurdish political party BDP in turkey only wants autonomy anyway !?

we will never ever interfere in other kurdish regions of other 3 parts that it up to the kurds their to achieve their own goals .

we will build a strong army to defend ourselves in case anyone close by tries to attack us .

i hope US Gov't remembers that KRG has 45 billion barrels of oil reserve as well as 200 CBF of natural gas.

If the US recognized this independence right now it would provoke an immediate invasion by Turkish forces and the US will not go to war with Turkey over this. Stay cool and build the future. Overstapping certain bounds too soon will only lead to catastrophe.

 

[kirkuki]

yes indeed but with a powerful modern army it will stand on its feet like Israel is .

A powerful modern army isn't built overnight and first of all the Kurdish government in Northern Iraq needs to get itself stabilized. This will take time and a lot of goodwill from the international community. It should also be careful not to antagonize minority groups such as Assyrian Christians and others.

the minority Christians who number no more than 100,000 have one seat in kurdistan parliament but KRG still gave them a ministry which angered the turkmen who are more in number .

 

[kirkuki]

If the US recognized this independence right now it would provoke an immediate invasion by Turkish forces and the US will not go to war with Turkey over this. Stay cool and build the future. Overstapping certain bounds too soon will only lead to catastrophe.

we will build up a strong army and when we are ready it will happen , but i assure you it is very close , and how do you know we do not have a strong army already ?

and like ekrem said . we too can go buy Russian and Chinese weapon that is of course if US refuses to sell us modern weapons .

 

[High_Gravity]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves , as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

Iraqi Kurdistan is not an independent country. The idea of selling it fighter jets is a bit ludicrous. Maybe it will become independent one day if Iraq falls apart, but right now US policy is geared towards keeping Iraq intact.

As for the PKK, however you look at it, the PKK is a terrorist organisation and very anti-democratic. I sympathize with the striving for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey, but the only thing that would be worse for the Kurdish people than living under the Turkish army would be living under PKK rule.

Kurdistan is not an independent country on paper but on the ground it practically has been taking care of itself for decades since 1991, it has its own capital, military, police force and air port separate from the rest of Iraq.

 

[High_Gravity]

USA has moved out of Iraq, and is in the process of totally throwing Iraq's "weight" (burden) from US's shoulders.
What is your worth to USA, that USA should re-engage with the region and spend US money for your wellbeing? That the USA moved out without granting you "independence" already shows what worth you are to them.
The USA doesn't have the power to dictate its view to others in this case.
The opposition to "Kurdistan" in the regional constellation is simply too strong.

The North-Eastern Iraqis (Kurds) are at this point dependent on the pipeline that goes from Kerkuk (Iraq) to Yumurtalik-Ceyhan (Turkey).
They don't have anything else they export.
As a landlocked entity the KRG depends on friendliness of its neighbours.

yes indeed but with a powerful modern army it will stand on its feet like Israel is .

The US is giving her tanks, which are still mechanically operational to Greeks.
How many Peshmerga fought with the USA in the hotspot between Baghdad, Falluja and Tikrit? The Kurds mostly pursued their own interests when the USA occupied Iraq. They also benefited from the USA securing and stabilizing their periphery.

At the end - and the USA is at the end in Iraq - you evaluate everything.
Claims against reality.
Like an accountant. And the accountant gives its weapons from the Iraq war to Greece and not the North-Eastern Iraqis.

Kirkuki totally made you shit your pants.

 

[Artevelde]

If the US recognized this independence right now it would provoke an immediate invasion by Turkish forces and the US will not go to war with Turkey over this. Stay cool and build the future. Overstapping certain bounds too soon will only lead to catastrophe.

we will build up a strong army and when we are ready it will happen , but i assure you it is very close , and how do you know we do not have a strong army already ?

and like ekrem said . we too can go buy Russian and Chinese weapon that is of course if US refuses to sell us modern weapons .

Right now you wouldn't last very long against the Turkish Army. That being said, if you are patient and move in a smart diplomatic way you may be able to build an independent state eventually. But it will take time. Rushing things and going for an adventurous policy will only result in a catastrophy and destroy what has been built since 1991.

 

[Artevelde]

KRG needs fighter jets to defend itself against the mullahs of Iran and al Maliki . kurds have never attacked others but also defending themselves , as for PKK they just want autonomy in kurdish region of turkey which they have a right t .

Iraqi Kurdistan is not an independent country. The idea of selling it fighter jets is a bit ludicrous. Maybe it will become independent one day if Iraq falls apart, but right now US policy is geared towards keeping Iraq intact.

As for the PKK, however you look at it, the PKK is a terrorist organisation and very anti-democratic. I sympathize with the striving for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey, but the only thing that would be worse for the Kurdish people than living under the Turkish army would be living under PKK rule.

Kurdistan is not an independent country on paper but on the ground it practically has been taking care of itself for decades since 1991, it has its own capital, military, police force and air port separate from the rest of Iraq.

It has been able to do so because of US protection. Without this protection it would not have been able to build anything.

 

[High_Gravity]

Iraqi Kurdistan is not an independent country. The idea of selling it fighter jets is a bit ludicrous. Maybe it will become independent one day if Iraq falls apart, but right now US policy is geared towards keeping Iraq intact.

As for the PKK, however you look at it, the PKK is a terrorist organisation and very anti-democratic. I sympathize with the striving for Kurdish autonomy in Turkey, but the only thing that would be worse for the Kurdish people than living under the Turkish army would be living under PKK rule.

Kurdistan is not an independent country on paper but on the ground it practically has been taking care of itself for decades since 1991, it has its own capital, military, police force and air port separate from the rest of Iraq.

It has been able to do so because of US protection. Without this protection it would not have been able to build anything.

I agree, the US No Fly Zones in the 90s protected the Kurds from Saddams aggression, most Kurds know this and are pro American.