Turkey's atrocities against the kurds

Turkey is one of the worst offenders of human rights. It's an outlaw state, in region filled with other outlaw and terrorist states.

Turkey has been elected with 151 votes of 192 into UN:
Turkish officials hail Turkey's United Nations Security Council seat

Israel would probably only get 2 votes:
- USA
- Germany

The terrorist is not Turkey. We are fully integrated into world, no outlaw state.
:lol: Probably because Iran and Libya are on the human rights council.

A UN endorsement is a condemnation, nothing to be proud of.

Turkey's ass should be kicked out of NATO, so they can join their axis of evil with Iran, Syria, and North Korea.

The HRC has nothing to do with this you ignorant troll.

And what the UN thinks matters. What you think doesn't.
 
Turkey has committed genocide against the Kurds.

What the UN or other international bodies who are made up of terrorist states such as Turkey is irrelevant.

you forgot the armenians.

Oh, suddenly you are interested in historical massacres as well?

Ugh. We are talking about hundreds of thousands killed in the Armenian Genocide. If you want to discuss it, how bout you do it because it was a fucking genocide, as opposed to bringing it up as a way of justifying more deaths.
 
Turkey has committed genocide against the Kurds.

What the UN or other international bodies who are made up of terrorist states such as Turkey is irrelevant.

you forgot the armenians.

Oh, suddenly you are interested in historical massacres as well?

Ugh. We are talking about hundreds of thousands killed in the Armenian Genocide. If you want to discuss it, how bout you do it because it was a fucking genocide, as opposed to bringing it up as a way of justifying more deaths.

not suddenly.

i just find turkey's newfound interest in human rights amusing at best, disingenuous at worst.

particularly given the terrorist ties of some on the boat.

and, frankly, no where EVER have I seen 'peace activists' donning metal sticks and other weapons to use soldiers for pinata.

personally, i think dying is a fairly reasonable expectation if you attack soldiers.
 
you forgot the armenians.

Oh, suddenly you are interested in historical massacres as well?

Ugh. We are talking about hundreds of thousands killed in the Armenian Genocide. If you want to discuss it, how bout you do it because it was a fucking genocide, as opposed to bringing it up as a way of justifying more deaths.

not suddenly.

i just find turkey's newfound interest in human rights amusing at best, disingenuous at worst.

particularly given the terrorist ties of some on the boat.

and, frankly, no where EVER have I seen 'peace activists' donning metal sticks and other weapons to use soldiers for pinata.

personally, i think dying is a fairly reasonable expectation if you attack soldiers.

Really?

Tell me. How many Israeli settlers died when they attacked Israeli soldiers for removing them from their land?

Oh. Well they weren't peace activists then. Just normal activists. That totally justifies killing them.
 
the settlers weren't trying to fire missiles at israelis'. were they?

i really have little patience for people who think everyone but jews have the right to defend themselves.
 
the settlers weren't trying to fire missiles at israelis'. were they?

i really have little patience for people who think everyone but jews have the right to defend themselves.

The individuals on the freedom flotilla weren't trying to fire missiles at Israelis either. So why are they dead?

And I really have little patience for people who can't have a conversation about Israel without implying that people are anti-semites.

It has nothing to do with them being Jews. Until you can actually consider the notion that Israel could *gasp* sometimes do wrong, then you won't be able to have a serious conversation about Israel and will have to reflexively go back to the "oh, you disagree with me, therefore you must have Jews" meme.
 
the settlers weren't trying to fire missiles at israelis'. were they?

i really have little patience for people who think everyone but jews have the right to defend themselves.

What are your views on the Palestinian's right to defend themselves?
 
Turkey's past trangressions against the turks can be compared to the USA's past transgressions against the AmerIndians.

There now...feel better?
 
Turkey is one of the worst offenders of human rights. It's an outlaw state, in region filled with other outlaw and terrorist states.

Turkey has been elected with 151 votes of 192 into UN:
Turkish officials hail Turkey's United Nations Security Council seat

Israel would probably only get 2 votes:
- USA
- Germany

The terrorist is not Turkey. We are fully integrated into world, no outlaw state.

Israel IS a member of the UN and IS a Sovereign State recognized BY the UN. DUMB ASS.
 
the settlers weren't trying to fire missiles at israelis'. were they?

i really have little patience for people who think everyone but jews have the right to defend themselves.

The individuals on the freedom flotilla weren't trying to fire missiles at Israelis either. So why are they dead?

And I really have little patience for people who can't have a conversation about Israel without implying that people are anti-semites.

It has nothing to do with them being Jews. Until you can actually consider the notion that Israel could *gasp* sometimes do wrong, then you won't be able to have a serious conversation about Israel and will have to reflexively go back to the "oh, you disagree with me, therefore you must have Jews" meme.

They are DEAD because they took up weapons and ATTACKED Israeli soldiers LEGALLY boarding a ship to stop it from running a LEGAL Blockade.

They are dead because they seized weapons from those same Israeli soldiers and fired on them wounding several.

They are dead because they attacked armed men with knives and metal batons in an effort to KILL them.

They did this not as peace activists but as Terrorists allowed on a boat that was supposed to be full of peace activists. Of the other 5 ships not a SINGLE incident occurred. NOT one. Yet all the other 4 boats were boarded the same way at the same time.
 
the settlers weren't trying to fire missiles at israelis'. were they?

i really have little patience for people who think everyone but jews have the right to defend themselves.

The individuals on the freedom flotilla weren't trying to fire missiles at Israelis either. So why are they dead?

And I really have little patience for people who can't have a conversation about Israel without implying that people are anti-semites.

It has nothing to do with them being Jews. Until you can actually consider the notion that Israel could *gasp* sometimes do wrong, then you won't be able to have a serious conversation about Israel and will have to reflexively go back to the "oh, you disagree with me, therefore you must have Jews" meme.

They are DEAD because they took up weapons and ATTACKED Israeli soldiers LEGALLY boarding a ship to stop it from running a LEGAL Blockade.

They are dead because they seized weapons from those same Israeli soldiers and fired on them wounding several.

They are dead because they attacked armed men with knives and metal batons in an effort to KILL them.

They did this not as peace activists but as Terrorists allowed on a boat that was supposed to be full of peace activists. Of the other 5 ships not a SINGLE incident occurred. NOT one. Yet all the other 4 boats were boarded the same way at the same time.

...but as Terrorists...

You need to get your propaganda straight, sarg. Terrorists attack civilians. People who attack invading troops are not terrorists.
 
The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century: Armenians in Turkey: 1915-18

The death marches, involving over a million Armenians, covered hundreds of miles and lasted months. Indirect routes through mountains and wilderness areas were deliberately chosen in order to prolong the ordeal and to keep the caravans away from Turkish villages.

Food supplies being carried by the people quickly ran out and they were usually denied further food or water. Anyone stopping to rest or lagging behind the caravan was mercilessly beaten until they rejoined the march. If they couldn't continue they were shot. A common practice was to force all of the people in the caravan to remove every stitch of clothing and have them resume the march in the nude under the scorching sun until they dropped dead by the roadside from exhaustion and dehydration.

An estimated 75 percent of the Armenians on these marches perished, especially children and the elderly. Those who survived the ordeal were herded into the desert without a drop of water. Others were killed by being thrown off cliffs, burned alive, or drowned in rivers.

The Turkish countryside became littered with decomposing corpses. At one point, Mehmed Talaat responded to the problem by sending a coded message to all provincial leaders: "I have been advised that in certain areas unburied corpses are still to be seen. I ask you to issue the strictest instructions so that the corpses and their debris in your vilayet are buried."

But his instructions were generally ignored. Those involved in the mass murder showed little interest in stopping to dig graves. The roadside corpses and emaciated deportees were a shocking sight to foreigners working in Turkey. Eyewitnesses included German government liaisons, American missionaries, and U.S. diplomats stationed in the country.

The Christian missionaries were often threatened with death themselves and were unable to help the people. Diplomats from the still neutral United States communicated their blunt assessments of the ongoing government actions. U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Henry Morgenthau, reported to Washington: "When the Turkish authorities gave the orders for these deportations, they were merely giving the death warrant to a whole race..."

The Allied Powers (Great Britain, France, Russia) responded to news of the massacres by issuing a warning to Turkey: "...the Allied governments announce publicly...that they will hold all the members of the Ottoman Government, as well as such of their agents as are implicated, personally responsible for such matters."

The warning had no effect. Newspapers in the West including the New York Times published reports of the continuing deportations with the headlines: Armenians Are Sent to Perish in the Desert - Turks Accused of Plan to Exterminate Whole Population (August 18, 1915) - Million Armenians Killed or in Exile - American Committee on Relief Says Victims of Turks Are Steadily Increasing - Policy of Extermination (December 15, 1915).
Temporary relief for some Armenians came as Russian troops attacked along the Eastern Front and made their way into central Turkey. But the troops withdrew in 1917 upon the Russian Revolution. Armenian survivors withdrew along with them and settled in among fellow Armenians already living in provinces of the former Russian Empire. There were in total about 500,000 Armenians gathered in this region.

In May 1918, Turkish armies attacked the area to achieve the goal of expanding Turkey eastward into the Caucasus and also to resume the annihilation of the Armenians. As many as 100,000 Armenians may have fallen victim to the advancing Turkish troops.
However, the Armenians managed to acquire weapons and they fought back, finally repelling the Turkish invasion at the battle of Sadarabad, thus saving the remaining population from total extermination with no help from the outside world. Following that victory, Armenian leaders declared the establishment of the independent Republic of Armenia.

World War I ended in November 1918 with a defeat for Germany and the Central Powers including Turkey. Shortly before the war had ended, the Young Turk triumvirate; Talaat, Enver and Djemal, abruptly resigned their government posts and fled to Germany where they had been offered asylum.

In the months that followed, repeated requests were made by Turkey's new moderate government and the Allies asking Germany to send the Young Turks back home to stand trial. However all such requests were turned down. As a result, Armenian activists took matters into their own hands, located the Young Turks and assassinated them along with two other instigators of the mass murder.

Meanwhile, representatives from the fledgling Republic of Armenia attended the Paris Peace Conference in the hope that the victorious Allies would give them back their historic lands seized by Turkey. The European Allies responded to their request by asked the United States to assume guardianship of the new Republic. However, President Woodrow Wilson's attempt to make Armenia an official U.S. protectorate was rejected by the U.S. Congress in May 1920.

But Wilson did not give up on Armenia. As a result of his efforts, the Treaty of Sevres was signed on August 10, 1920, by the Allied Powers, the Republic of Armenia and the new moderate leaders of Turkey. The treaty recognized an independent Armenian state in an area comprising much of the former historic homeland.

However, Turkish nationalism once again reared its head. The moderate Turkish leaders who signed the treaty were ousted in favor of a new nationalist leader, Mustafa Kemal, who simply refused to accept the treaty and even re-occupied the very lands in question then expelled any surviving Armenians, including thousands of orphans.



...After the successful obliteration of the people of historic Armenia, the Turks demolished any remnants of Armenian cultural heritage including priceless masterpieces of ancient architecture, old libraries and archives. The Turks even leveled entire cities such as the once thriving Kharpert, Van and the ancient capital at Ani, to remove all traces of the three thousand year old civilization
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Turkey's ties to terrorist groups, including Al Qaida.


AP INTERVIEW: Turkish aid group had terror ties - Yahoo! News


PARIS – The Turkish Islamic charity behind a flotilla of aid ships that was raided by Israeli forces on its way to Gaza had ties to terrorism networks, including a 1999 al-Qaida plot to bomb Los Angeles International Airport, France's former top anti-terrorism judge said Wednesday.

The Istanbul-based Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief, known by its Turkish acronym IHH, had "clear, long-standing ties to terrorism and Jihad," former investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.


..."They were basically helping al-Qaida when (Osama) bin Laden started to want to target U.S. soil," he said.
 
Turkey and it's support for terrorism. Turkey is a state sponsor of terrorism.

BOMB BOMB BOMB Turkey


IHH - a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation.


IHH, which plays a central role in organizing the flotilla to the Gaza Strip, is a Turkish humanitarian relief fund with a radical Islamic anti-Western orientation. Besides its legitimate philanthropic activities, it supports radical Islamic networks, including Hamas, and at least in the past, even global jihad elements.


Portrait of IHH

1. Prominent among the coalition organizations participating in the aid flotilla scheduled to arrive in the Gaza Strip in the coming days is the Turkish IHH (Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, “humanitarian relief fund”). It is a radical Islamic organization which was established in 1992 and formally registered in Istanbul in 1995. It is headed by Bülent Yildirim.


IHH Links To Hamas

4. IHH’s orientation is radical-Islamic and anti-American, and it is close to the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas’ parent movement). IHH supports Hamas and does not hide the connection between them. Hamas also considers its links to IHH and Turkey to be extremely important, and regards Turkey as a target audience for its propaganda network (Palestine-Information, Hamas’ main website, has a Turkish version, and as of the end of 2009, the website of its military wing, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, has also appeared in Turkish).

5. In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it favors), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival.

6. IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas. Among other things, the support includes initiating and conducting joint projects whose objectives are to bolster the de facto Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip and Hamas’ civilian infrastructure in Judea and Samaria, which also supports terrorism (the infrastructure is under pressure from the Palestinian Authority security services). IHH, which has become an important factor in global fund-raising for Hamas, transfers significant amounts of money to Hamas institutions in Judea and Samaria, including the Islamic Charitable Society in Hebron and the Al-Tadhamun Charitable Society in Nablus (Hamas’ two central “charitable societies,” both outlawed by Israel).
 

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