Turkey submits Mavi Marmara compensation bill

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This has been well disseminated world-wide. The standard "Notice To Mariners"

​

94. The declaration shall specify the commencement, duration,...​

Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?

95. A blockade must be effective. The question whether a blockade is effective is a question of fact.​

Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?

Then there are things not allowed in like window glass, books, chocolate, toys, pasta, and on, and, on, and on.

Nothing is allowed in to support domestic manufacturing and agriculture.

Exports are not allowed.

Students cannot travel to study.

There is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal.

Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

(REFERENCES)

TIMES OF LONDON
A foreign journalist notices the Egyptian blockade of Gaza
BY ADAM LEVICK ON JUNE 23, 2015 •

CAMERA, in two blog posts earlier in the year, cited examples of how media outlets find inventive ways to avoid mentioning the fact that the “total Egyptian blockade has isolated the Gaza Strip far more than the Israeli blockade, under which goods andpeople do cross“.

Though CAMERA in those particular cases was citing reports by Agence France Presse (AFP) and The New York Times, British media reports on the deprivation in Gaza also routinely ignore the Egyptian blockade. (These reports also fail to inform readers that Israel’s blockade is only partial, and allows into Gaza, on a daily basis, large quantities of food, consumer goods and construction material, despite the fact that much of this “humanitarian aid” is diverted by Hamas for military purposes.)

All of this renders the following June 22nd Times of London report (paywall) by Gregg Carlstrom quite extraordinary.
​

Carlstrom then makes a broader point:

While the international focus has been on the intermittent closures of the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel, and the partial Israeli blockade of the territory, the restrictions imposed by Gaza’s other land neighbour, Egypt, are far more severe. Compared with Israel, which opens Erez for a limited number of people and goods for five days each week, the Rafah crossing to Egypt is almost completely sealed. Until this month it has been open for only five days this year, allowing only 2,517 Palestinians to travel out of Gaza. That compares with Erez, which 4,100 people used in one week of this month

The recent closure of Rafah is the worst in nearly a decade. President Sisi, Cairo’s pro-western military ruler, accuses Hamas of sponsoring jihadists across the border.
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(COMMENT)

Both Israel and Egypt understand and enforce very similar restrictions on the material that crosses the border into Gaza.

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?"

ANSWER: Commencement 03UTC1700JAN09 of 7100 03 January 09 Duration: Indefinitely
​

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?"

ANSWER: The "effective" implementation is a question of fact; not a question of success or failure of the tactical application.
​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.

YOUR PREMISE: •∆• Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

No, Everybody does not know that. What contraband is onboard (if any) cannot be known until the ships are boarded and searched. Further, the enforcement of the blockade is about a number of issues, the most important of which is the means of sealing off Gaza to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving in an unrestricted manner.

While this theory may have been heard by many people, the "military necessity" was to "effectively enforce" the blockade (Para 95), not to create a precedent for passage or succumb to the extortion and intimidation presented by the "criminals, jihadists, insurgents and terrorists" that have decided to use force and the threat of force to achieve through coercion, that which they purposely choose not to pursue by peaceful means.
​

Most Respectfully,
R​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.​

Did you make this shit up yourself or did Israel send it to you?

That was a rather embarrassing admission on your part that you had absolutely nothing in the way of a refutation. So, you threw yourself on the floor in a tantrum. Time out for you, Laddy.

How can you refute a hit piece. It is all slime and no substance.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This has been well disseminated world-wide. The standard "Notice To Mariners"

​

94. The declaration shall specify the commencement, duration,...​

Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?

95. A blockade must be effective. The question whether a blockade is effective is a question of fact.​

Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?

Then there are things not allowed in like window glass, books, chocolate, toys, pasta, and on, and, on, and on.

Nothing is allowed in to support domestic manufacturing and agriculture.

Exports are not allowed.

Students cannot travel to study.

There is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal.

Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

(REFERENCES)

TIMES OF LONDON
A foreign journalist notices the Egyptian blockade of Gaza
BY ADAM LEVICK ON JUNE 23, 2015 •

CAMERA, in two blog posts earlier in the year, cited examples of how media outlets find inventive ways to avoid mentioning the fact that the “total Egyptian blockade has isolated the Gaza Strip far more than the Israeli blockade, under which goods andpeople do cross“.

Though CAMERA in those particular cases was citing reports by Agence France Presse (AFP) and The New York Times, British media reports on the deprivation in Gaza also routinely ignore the Egyptian blockade. (These reports also fail to inform readers that Israel’s blockade is only partial, and allows into Gaza, on a daily basis, large quantities of food, consumer goods and construction material, despite the fact that much of this “humanitarian aid” is diverted by Hamas for military purposes.)

All of this renders the following June 22nd Times of London report (paywall) by Gregg Carlstrom quite extraordinary.
​

Carlstrom then makes a broader point:

While the international focus has been on the intermittent closures of the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel, and the partial Israeli blockade of the territory, the restrictions imposed by Gaza’s other land neighbour, Egypt, are far more severe. Compared with Israel, which opens Erez for a limited number of people and goods for five days each week, the Rafah crossing to Egypt is almost completely sealed. Until this month it has been open for only five days this year, allowing only 2,517 Palestinians to travel out of Gaza. That compares with Erez, which 4,100 people used in one week of this month

The recent closure of Rafah is the worst in nearly a decade. President Sisi, Cairo’s pro-western military ruler, accuses Hamas of sponsoring jihadists across the border.
​

View attachment 86399 View attachment 86404
​

(COMMENT)

Both Israel and Egypt understand and enforce very similar restrictions on the material that crosses the border into Gaza.

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?"

ANSWER: Commencement 03UTC1700JAN09 of 7100 03 January 09 Duration: Indefinitely
​

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?"

ANSWER: The "effective" implementation is a question of fact; not a question of success or failure of the tactical application.
​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.

YOUR PREMISE: •∆• Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

No, Everybody does not know that. What contraband is onboard (if any) cannot be known until the ships are boarded and searched. Further, the enforcement of the blockade is about a number of issues, the most important of which is the means of sealing off Gaza to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving in an unrestricted manner.

While this theory may have been heard by many people, the "military necessity" was to "effectively enforce" the blockade (Para 95), not to create a precedent for passage or succumb to the extortion and intimidation presented by the "criminals, jihadists, insurgents and terrorists" that have decided to use force and the threat of force to achieve through coercion, that which they purposely choose not to pursue by peaceful means.
​

Most Respectfully,
R​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.​

Did you make this shit up yourself or did Israel send it to you?

That was a rather embarrassing admission on your part that you had absolutely nothing in the way of a refutation. So, you threw yourself on the floor in a tantrum. Time out for you, Laddy.

How can you refute a hit piece. It is all slime and no substance.

I wasn't attempting to refute it. I thought the points were accurate and descriptive. I pointed out that your inability to refute a single point caused your falling-to-the-floor tantrum.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This has been well disseminated world-wide. The standard "Notice To Mariners"

​

94. The declaration shall specify the commencement, duration,...​

Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?

95. A blockade must be effective. The question whether a blockade is effective is a question of fact.​

Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?

Then there are things not allowed in like window glass, books, chocolate, toys, pasta, and on, and, on, and on.

Nothing is allowed in to support domestic manufacturing and agriculture.

Exports are not allowed.

Students cannot travel to study.

There is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal.

Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

(REFERENCES)

TIMES OF LONDON
A foreign journalist notices the Egyptian blockade of Gaza
BY ADAM LEVICK ON JUNE 23, 2015 •

CAMERA, in two blog posts earlier in the year, cited examples of how media outlets find inventive ways to avoid mentioning the fact that the “total Egyptian blockade has isolated the Gaza Strip far more than the Israeli blockade, under which goods andpeople do cross“.

Though CAMERA in those particular cases was citing reports by Agence France Presse (AFP) and The New York Times, British media reports on the deprivation in Gaza also routinely ignore the Egyptian blockade. (These reports also fail to inform readers that Israel’s blockade is only partial, and allows into Gaza, on a daily basis, large quantities of food, consumer goods and construction material, despite the fact that much of this “humanitarian aid” is diverted by Hamas for military purposes.)

All of this renders the following June 22nd Times of London report (paywall) by Gregg Carlstrom quite extraordinary.
​

Carlstrom then makes a broader point:

While the international focus has been on the intermittent closures of the Erez crossing between Gaza and Israel, and the partial Israeli blockade of the territory, the restrictions imposed by Gaza’s other land neighbour, Egypt, are far more severe. Compared with Israel, which opens Erez for a limited number of people and goods for five days each week, the Rafah crossing to Egypt is almost completely sealed. Until this month it has been open for only five days this year, allowing only 2,517 Palestinians to travel out of Gaza. That compares with Erez, which 4,100 people used in one week of this month

The recent closure of Rafah is the worst in nearly a decade. President Sisi, Cairo’s pro-western military ruler, accuses Hamas of sponsoring jihadists across the border.
​

View attachment 86399 View attachment 86404
​

(COMMENT)

Both Israel and Egypt understand and enforce very similar restrictions on the material that crosses the border into Gaza.

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Could you provide a copy of that declaration specifying the date of commencement and the duration?"

ANSWER: Commencement 03UTC1700JAN09 of 7100 03 January 09 Duration: Indefinitely
​

YOUR QUESTION •∆• "Do you mean like there is material for a network of tunnels. They have more than enough rockets. There are plenty of guns and amo. That kind of effective?"

ANSWER: The "effective" implementation is a question of fact; not a question of success or failure of the tactical application.
​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.

YOUR PREMISE: •∆• Then back to my original premise. Everybody, including Israel, knew that there were no weapons to Gaza on the flotilla. There was no military necessity to attack those ships.

No, Everybody does not know that. What contraband is onboard (if any) cannot be known until the ships are boarded and searched. Further, the enforcement of the blockade is about a number of issues, the most important of which is the means of sealing off Gaza to prevent goods or people from entering or leaving in an unrestricted manner.

While this theory may have been heard by many people, the "military necessity" was to "effectively enforce" the blockade (Para 95), not to create a precedent for passage or succumb to the extortion and intimidation presented by the "criminals, jihadists, insurgents and terrorists" that have decided to use force and the threat of force to achieve through coercion, that which they purposely choose not to pursue by peaceful means.
​

Most Respectfully,
R​

The rhetoric that "there is no military necessity for any of this. It is just the collective punishment that makes the blockade illegal" is wrong from several perspectives; including but not limited to:

The naval blockade and the companion ground containment are instruments to suppress the unrestrained exploitation of unrestricted travel and commerce (import/export). It is not a retaliation against a population for their past history of criminal, jihadist, insurgent and terrorist activity (which is all quite extensive). It is a countermeasure to prevent the material support to such activities --- the means to direct further hostilities directed towards Israel (and its citizens) by those Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP) that have adopted the means of armed struggle as the only solution to the Question of Palestine.​

Did you make this shit up yourself or did Israel send it to you?

That was a rather embarrassing admission on your part that you had absolutely nothing in the way of a refutation. So, you threw yourself on the floor in a tantrum. Time out for you, Laddy.

How can you refute a hit piece. It is all slime and no substance.

Very easy if it is as you say there would be plenty of unbiased reports showing it to be so