Turkey cuts ties with France after lawmakers pass bill on Armenian genocide

[Jroc]

PARIS — Ties between France and Turkey, strategic allies and trading partners, abruptly unraveled Thursday after French legislators passed a bill making it a crime to deny that the mass killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks nearly a century ago constitute genocide.

The bill strikes at the heart of national honor in Turkey, which denies the genocide label and insists the 1915 massacres occurred during civil unrest as the Ottoman Empire collapsed, with losses on both sides. But it’s seen as a matter of principle for some French politicians, and a matter of long-overdue justice for the half a million people in France of Armenian descent, many of whom had relatives among the 1.5 million Armenians killed.

( Burhan Ozbilici / Associated Press ) - Members of a pro-government union shout slogans against France and French President Nicolas Sarkozy outside the French Embassy in Ankara, Turkey, Wednesday, Dec. 21, 2011. Union members protest against France, a day before the lower house of the French Parliament debate a proposal that would punish anyone denying that the killings of Armenians by Ottoman Turks more than 90 years ago were a genocide.
.The French bill still needs Senate approval, but after it passed the lower house, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan halted bilateral political and economic contacts, suspended military cooperation and ordered his country’s ambassador home for consultations. Turkey argues France is trampling freedom of expression and that French President Nicolas Sarkozy is on a vote-getting mission before April presidential elections.

France formally recognized the 1915 killings as genocide in 2001, but provided no penalty for anyone refuting that. The bill passed Thursday sets a punishment of up to one year in prison and a fine of €45,000 ($59,000) for those who deny or “outrageously minimize” the killings, putting such action on par with denial of the Holocaust.

Turkey cuts ties with France after lawmakers pass bill on Armenian genocide - The Washington Post

 

[ekrem]

In 3 minutes explained by former US Ambassador to CNN what this is about:




Wikileaks
'Elysee contacts have reported to us the great lengths they will go to avoid disagreeing with him or provoking his displeasure - even recently reportedly re-routing the president's plane to avoid his seeing the Eiffel Tower lit up in Turkey's colours on the visit of PM (Recep Tayyip) Erdogan.'
Read more: WIKILEAKS: Sarkozy's staff 'diverted plane so he didn't see Eiffel Tower lit up in Turkish colours' | Mail Online
WIKILEAKS: Sarkozy's staff 'diverted plane so he didn't see Eiffel Tower lit up in Turkish colours' | Mail Online


Off course, we'll cut relations. It was not Turks who destroyed relations.

 

[ekrem]

It must first pass through French Senate before it comes effective.

French Senate members said in July not to make Turkey an election issue
senat.fr
(From French)

We believe it would not be in the interest of France to leave the relationship and connection to Turkey continue to deteriorate. This country, who found a geopolitical centrality since the end of the Cold War, impresses with its dynamism, economic growth and its growing cultural influence. We found that the words spoken in each of our countries often face far greater resonance than was expected and that the injuries caused by certain statements are slow to heal. It is clear from our interviews that a new verbal escalation would likely be fatal to our relationship and we hope that the campaign for the upcoming legislative and presidential elections will not be the scene of statements that we might regret later.

Last year French Senate already rejected a similar bill.
Turkey Imposes Sanctions After French Parliamentary Approval of Genocide Bill « VOA Breaking News


Now to yesterday's vote:

French President Nicolas Sarkozy was accused of allowing the vote to take place in order to appeal to the significant Armenian vote in France ahead of next year’s elections (...)
French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s centre-right UMP party, which is suffering in opinion polls, will have won broad support from France’s 500,000 ethnic Armenian voters.
(...)
According to satirical weekly newspaper Le Canard Enchaine, French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said the bill was “stupid”, his office not denying the report.

Former Foreign Minister Herve de Charette told FRANCE 24 on Thursday that the proposed law is “useless and dangerous domestically” and “disastrous for our foreign policy”.

Turkey recalls Paris envoy as lawmakers back genocide bill - FRANCE - FRANCE 24


I don't think it will pass French Senate, and it is to come to Senate in February 2012. Until then, there will be no French-Turkish relations. And then Sarkozy is anyway gone, like current polls show.

Sarkozy is an Hungarian French, probably his grandmother was sent to an Ottoman Harem. That's why his staff has to re-route his plane for him not to see the Eiffel-Tower lit-up in colors of Turkish flag.
Wikileaks says exactly so:
WIKILEAKS: Sarkozy's staff 'diverted plane so he didn't see Eiffel Tower lit up in Turkish colours' | Mail Online

 

[ekrem]

Condi Rice Brags about Killing Genocide Resolution
“there are many historical interpretations.”
Condi Rice Brags about Killing Genocide Resolution | Armenian Weekly


Obama
As Senator:

“It is imperative that we recognize the horrific acts carried out against the Armenian people as genocide and I will continue to stand with the Armenian American community in calling for the Government of Turkey to acknowledge it as such.”

SENATOR OBAMA PLEDGES CONTINUED EFFORTS TO PRESS TURKEY TO ACKNOWLEDGE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

As President:
Obama administration has said it will seek to block a controversial bill describing as genocide the World War I killing of Armenians by Turks.
BBC News - US administration to block vote on Turkey 'genocide'

George W. Bush
As Governor:
Republican Candidate Calls on Americans to Remember and Acknowledge "Facts and Lessons" of the "Genocidal Campaign" against the Armenians
GEORGE W. BUSH RECOGNIZES ARMENIAN GENOCIDE

As President:
US should not talk of Armenian 'genocide': Bush
AFP: US should not talk of Armenian 'genocide': Bush

 

[ekrem]

John F Kennedy Assasination
Armenian terrorists trying to kill the Sultan and one of his bodyguards died as result
Yıldız assassination attempt

World-Trade Center
Armenian terrosits terrorizing Ottoman Central Bank
1896 Ottoman Bank Takeover - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Armenians have their lobbies, but Lobbies are not enough.
If they want to dispute, that what happened to them was not Anti-Terror operations they can go to International-Court of Justice.
Ottomans did Anti-Terror with Armenians just like the USA did with Iraqis.
Simple as that.

Condoleeza Rice:
“there are many historical interpretations.”
Condi Rice Brags about Killing Genocide Resolution | Armenian Weekly

 

[ekrem]

BBC News: Were massacres of Armenians genocide?

Well-known scholars of Ottoman history, such as Bernard Lewis and Andrew Mango, question the appropriateness of the genocide label.
It is time to acknowledge that we are dealing with a genuine historical controversy that should be resolved by scholars rather than politicians.
-- Guenther Lewy, UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS

The world's foremost historian on Islam (Bernard Lewis) disputes the massacres can be termed genocide.
Academic Condoleeza Rice says, that there are "many historical interpretation" of the Armenian thingy.

 

[JStone]

US condemns Turkey for Turks' role in genocide of 1 million Armenians and Turkey's denial of the Armenian holocaust
Over Turkish protests, House panel calls killing of Armenians 'genocide'

 

[Sunni Man]

Why are the French so worked up over this issue?

This alleged genocide took place almost 100 years ago.

Time to move on to more current and pressing matters.

Like the on going genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel that's happening right now.

 

[Swagger]

Indeed, Sunni Man, it's time to move on. A bit like another infamous genocide (6 million?) that I can't quite put my finger on. Though why France is getting its knickers in twist over an event that has absolutely no bearing on it or its interests is beyond me.

 

[ekrem]

Though why France is getting its knickers in twist over an event that has absolutely no bearing on it or its interests is beyond me.

With the votes of French-Armenians, Sarkozy can now loose the elections in April with 20% instead of 19%.

Turkey has accused France of committing genocide during its colonial occupation of Algeria.
Erdogan says massacres were carried out by French colonialists in Algeria and that Algerians were burned in ovens.

Turkey now slams France of genocide - Arab News

And in 2005 France passed this law:

FRANCE “recognises its debt to the women and men who participated in the work carried out by France in its former departments in Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Indochina and in all the territories formerly under French sovereignty”, according a law adopted by the French parliament on 23 February 2005 (1).

At war with France's past - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Let's open Pandora's Box, there's enough atrocities in other Muslim countries which can keep our parliament busy for qutie a while.
"Morale compass" only if you have white clothes.

 

[JStone]

Why are the French so worked up over this issue?

This alleged genocide took place almost 100 years ago.

Time to move on to more current and pressing matters.

Like the on going genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel that's happening right now.

Allah the all-merciful...is a genocider....in the religion of peace

Quran 17:16... When We decide to destroy a population, We (first) send a definite order to those among them who are given the good things of this life and yet transgress; so that the word is proved true against them: then (it is) We destroy them utterly.

 

[JStone]

Time to move on to more current and pressing matters.

You mean, like the muslime genocide in Darfur allahu akbar?

The genocide in Darfur has claimed 400,000 lives and displaced over 2,500,000 people. More than one hundred people continue to die each day; five thousand die every month.

Since February 2003, the Sudanese government in Khartoum and the government-sponsored Janjaweed militia have used rape, displacement, organized starvation, threats against aid workers and mass murder. Violence, disease, and displacement continue to kill thousands of innocent Darfurians every month.

Genocide in Darfur, Sudan | Darfur Scorecard

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-ojg9UjMk0]The Genocide In Darfur - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Like the on going genocide of the Palestinian people by Israel that's happening right now.

How do you know when a muslime genocider is lying? His lips are moving or his fingers typing.

My message to the loathed Jews is that there is no god but allah, we will chase you everywhere We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no better blood than the blood of the Jews. We will not leave you alone until we have quenched our thirst with your blood, and our children's thirst with your blood, we will not rest until you leave the Muslim countries.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rleFpY402vM]Palestinian - Terrorism - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3r35ycecjk&feature=related]The Armenian Genocide (PBS) - Trailer - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ekrem]

Why are the French so worked up over this issue?

It's not really the French.
Sarkozy's ancestry are butthurt-people not having the best encounters with Turks.
Jew-Greek-Hungarian mix.
Nicolas Sarkozy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ekrem]

Everyday the Jew.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Very good for France.

Turkey remains illegitimate in the world community until it owns up to its genocidal past.

 

[JStone]

When will the piece of shit remnant of the defunct ottoman empire turkey stop its illegal blockade of Armenia?

Congressman Adam Schiff : 2008 : Schiff Introduces Bill Urging End to Turkish Blockade of Armenia

 

[JStone]

Everyday the Jew.

Allah created the Jews, ignorant turkish genocider. No paradise and 72 whores for you, stupid motherfucker

Quran 17:104 And We said to the Children of Israel after him: "Dwell in the land, then, when the final and the last promise comes near [i.e. the Day of Resurrection or the descent of Christ ['Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary) on the earth]. We shall bring you altogether as mixed crowd

 

[Jroc]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90IbGTjKIuA&feature=related]Le génocide arménien - Soyk[/ame]