Tue Conservatives know...

[Bullypulpit]

...That Dubbyuh is a menace.

<center><h2><a href=http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000673.php>If You Are a True Conservative You Must Reject Bush</a></h2></center>

<blockquote>By William Hare
10/30/04

The word conservative is derived from conserve. To conserve is to behave prudently. In a political context the word conservative is linked to tradition, to move with caution, operating in lockstep with tried and true propositions and fundamental concepts whose validity have been proven over time.

This form of traditionalism has been jettisoned by the new wave of Bush so-called conservatives. Bush initially ran for the presidency touting himself as a “compassionate conservative.” This is done with the understanding that the word conservative in a current context, standing by itself, contains a negative connotation.</blockquote>

Dubbyuh and his neo-con syncophants are frauds, and have abandoned the values that defined the American conservative movement as it was given voice by Willaim F. Buckley, Barry Goldwater, Dwight Eisenhower and other illuminaries of, not just the conservative movement, but of American political discourse.

True conservatives think for themselves, and do not need to be told what to think by pompous windbags like Rush Limbaugh and others of his ilk. They do not blindly follow where they are led, they ask why. So, if you're happy lapping up every last gobbet of excreta ladeled out by the Administration, go ahead and follow the lemmings over the cliff...We'll all be better off without you.

 

[Avatar4321]

Haven't you posted this about five times already?

Why exactly do you think we are going to listen to what you tell us a conservative is?

 

[Bullypulpit]

Haven't you posted this about five times already?

Why exactly do you think we are going to listen to what you tell us a conservative is?

REPITITION...It's how you teach the developmentally and cognitively disabled.

 

[nbdysfu]

I'm pro-Free Market, pro-small domestic government, pro life, pro-environment, pro-Mars, pro-gay rights, pro-affirmative action, pro-immigration, pro-bilingualism, pro . Even if Mr. Hare can tell me what a conservative is, it really means nothing to me because I have never ascribed to any such belief system. My vote's for Bush.

 

[nbdysfu]

REPITITION...It's how you teach the developmentally and cognitively disabled.

Or convince german farmers that the jews are responsible for their aches and woes. Goebbels would be proud.

 

[drowe]

So since I voted for Bush (early voter here) it makes me a radical right wing fundamentalist according to the opinion of one columnist.

Oh well.

 

[theim]

TRUE LIBERALS MUST REJECT KERRY

By theim

True liberals must reject Kerry. How do I, as a conservative, know this? I just do. Lets see.

Liberals are for rights. The government taking my money away does not seem like much of a "right" to me. Kerry wants to raise my taxes, ergo is is not a giving me the right to my money ergo he is not a liberal. Twisting logic is fun!

sKerry and his socialist syncophants are frauds, and have abandoned the values that defined the American liberal movement as it was given voice by FDR, JFK, Lyndon Johnson and other illuminaries of, not just the liberal movement, but of American political discourse.

True liberals think for themselves, and do not need to be told what to think by pompous windbags like Micheal Moore and others of his ilk. They do not blindly follow where they are led, they ask why. So, if you're happy lapping up every last gobbet of excreta ladeled out by the DNC, go ahead and follow the lemmings over the cliff...We'll all be better off without you.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Or convince german farmers that the jews are responsible for their aches and woes. Goebbels would be proud.

Yes, Goebbels would be proud...Of the Bush spin machine.

 

[Bullypulpit]

TRUE LIBERALS MUST REJECT KERRY

By theim

True liberals must reject Kerry. How do I, as a conservative, know this? I just do. Lets see.

Liberals are for rights. The government taking my money away does not seem like much of a "right" to me. Kerry wants to raise my taxes, ergo is is not a giving me the right to my money ergo he is not a liberal. Twisting logic is fun!

sKerry and his socialist syncophants are frauds, and have abandoned the values that defined the American liberal movement as it was given voice by FDR, JFK, Lyndon Johnson and other illuminaries of, not just the liberal movement, but of American political discourse.

True liberals think for themselves, and do not need to be told what to think by pompous windbags like Micheal Moore and others of his ilk. They do not blindly follow where they are led, they ask why. So, if you're happy lapping up every last gobbet of excreta ladeled out by the DNC, go ahead and follow the lemmings over the cliff...We'll all be better off without you.

That's original. Now, can you refute the substance of what Mr. Hare has said? I thought not.

 

[Bullypulpit]

I'm pro-Free Market, pro-small domestic government, pro life, pro-environment, pro-Mars, pro-gay rights, pro-affirmative action, pro-immigration, pro-bilingualism, pro . Even if Mr. Hare can tell me what a conservative is, it really means nothing to me because I have never ascribed to any such belief system. My vote's for Bush.

Here's yer sign...Follow the lemmings.

 

[White knight]

Bush initially ran for the presidency touting himself as a “compassionate conservative.” This is done with the understanding that the word conservative in a current context, standing by it self, contains a negative connotation.

Bully, we both know that the majority of the people who post here, minds are closed and not open to question the doctrine. In fact trying to persuade that they may be wrong in some things seems to strengthen their convictions. This is interesting aspect of psychology I will have to explore.

My understanding of G.W. “compassionate conservatism” came from insiders, they say that it is a manufactured quality of tough love, designed as a political strategy rather than being one of his true qualities. From his overwhelming support, despite his repeated pattern of questionable actions, I would say it is working.

One example of this effective strategy is his no child left behind policy, the President is photographed signing the "Leave No Child Behind Act" in a high-profile moment with Senator Ted Kennedy, and then gutting the heart out of that bill with the funding that he offers up for it.
Bush's brilliant propaganda master Karl Rove, who would do Dr. Joseph Goebbels Proud once told a consultant that “you should run every political campaign as though people are watching television with the sound turned down. And toward that end, you rely heavily on imagery up for it.”

This is very disturbing, and people are buying it, I have been monitoring the world news closer now and fascism and nationalism is on the rise. I think in our unprecedented unilateral action, we have opened a can of worms or the gates of hell.
Nations are following our trend as usual and beginning to turn inward, Japan is having a growing nationalist movement, and they are looking into becoming a military power again.
Europe is having a resurgence of fascism; this slipping away from all the progress we have made could set the world stage for WW III.

Are we seeing history begging to repeat itself? I will have to look into the conditions that set the stage for fascism in Germany and other factors that lead to WW II.

How was it that an entire nation of people blindly followed Hitler in the direction he lead them?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

How was it that an entire nation of people blindly followed Hitler in the direction he lead them?

He played to their sense of entitlement. Like libs do. Mobs swarm when individuals feel their own failure should be an impossibility and, instead of facing their own shortcomings, turn their fears on convenient targets.

 

[Flying Duck]

I think in our unprecedented unilateral action,...

What you really meant here is non-omnilateral, right?

 

[dilloduck]

Bully, we both know that the majority of the people who post here, minds are closed and not open to question the doctrine. In fact trying to persuade that they may be wrong in some things seems to strengthen their convictions. This is interesting aspect of psychology I will have to explore.

My understanding of G.W. “compassionate conservatism” came from insiders, they say that it is a manufactured quality of tough love, designed as a political strategy rather than being one of his true qualities. From his overwhelming support, despite his repeated pattern of questionable actions, I would say it is working.

One example of this effective strategy is his no child left behind policy, the President is photographed signing the "Leave No Child Behind Act" in a high-profile moment with Senator Ted Kennedy, and then gutting the heart out of that bill with the funding that he offers up for it.
Bush's brilliant propaganda master Karl Rove, who would do Dr. Joseph Goebbels Proud once told a consultant that “you should run every political campaign as though people are watching television with the sound turned down. And toward that end, you rely heavily on imagery up for it.”

This is very disturbing, and people are buying it, I have been monitoring the world news closer now and fascism and nationalism is on the rise. I think in our unprecedented unilateral action, we have opened a can of worms or the gates of hell.
Nations are following our trend as usual and beginning to turn inward, Japan is having a growing nationalist movement, and they are looking into becoming a military power again.
Europe is having a resurgence of fascism; this slipping away from all the progress we have made could set the world stage for WW III.

Are we seeing history begging to repeat itself? I will have to look into the conditions that set the stage for fascism in Germany and other factors that lead to WW II.

How was it that an entire nation of people blindly followed Hitler in the direction he lead them?

Trying to constantly persuade ANYONE that they are wrong will always result in defensive action. I'll save ya the time. The germans followed blindly because the country was in ruins and the opposition was killed.
When trying to get someone to abandon an idea it is also a good idea to have one to replace it. Liberals have no plan other to tear down the plans that are currently in effect.

 

[jimnyc]

Bully, we both know that the majority of the people who post here, minds are closed and not open to question the doctrine. In fact trying to persuade that they may be wrong in some things seems to strengthen their convictions. This is interesting aspect of psychology I will have to explore.

My mind is quite open. I just think most of what you write is a bunch of crap. Funny how all the libs think everyone is close minded just because they don't agree with the shit they stink the place up with.

Seems you make a comment about the member base here with every other post you make. Why don't you stick with the topics at hand instead of whining and crying at every opportunity. Typical obfuscating liberal.

 

[White knight]

This is the type of response I’m talking about. Branding people, name calling, it is not a legitimate method of debate, but adhering to a fixed and closed mindset.

I can explore many different viewpoints with out getting offended; there is a difference between thinking about something and believing in it.

You should try it; you might find there is an advantage to be able to look at something from a different viewpoints.

What is the point in posting here, if you only want to hear opinions the same as yours?

If you don’t like my post then but me on your ignore list, as I have done some of you, since you can not contribute to a constructive debate.

 

[dilloduck]

This is the type of response I’m talking about. Branding people, name calling, it is not a legitimate method of debate, but adhering to a fixed and closed mindset.

I can explore many different viewpoints with out getting offended; there is a difference between thinking about something and believing in it.

You should try it; you might find there is an advantage to be able to look at something from a different viewpoints.

What is the point in posting here, if you only want to hear opinions the same as yours?

If you don’t like my post then but me on your ignore list, as I have done some of you, since you can not contribute to a constructive debate.

Then by God give us some of the ways YOU propose to solve problems. It's hard to have a debate when you only criticize yet only rarely suggest an alternative idea.

 

[jimnyc]

This is the type of response I’m talking about. Branding people, name calling, it is not a legitimate method of debate, but adhering to a fixed and closed mindset.

No different than you painting the majority of the member base here with the same brush. You insult everyone here by calling us close minded, then feel insulted because someone calls you an obfuscating liberal? Tough shit!

I can explore many different viewpoints with out getting offended; there is a difference between thinking about something and believing in it.

As can I and everyone else here. I can speak for myself when I say I only get offended when people call me close minded because I don't believe what they say. But I don't get offended that they have posted nonsense. There's quite a difference in the message being posted and how it's posted. You come off completely rude and arrogant in your delivery.

You should try it; you might find there is an advantage to be able to look at something from a different viewpoints.

I've been doing it for well over a year now. Shit, I've given many rep points to liberals that I completely disagreed with, but thought they brought a valid point to the table or I thought they were respectful in their debates. I'm confident Wade and/or Nakedemperor will vouch for me. I'm just not open minded to theories and guesses, nor am I open minded to new posters to the board who insult the members that have been here for so long.

What is the point in posting here, if you only want to hear opinions the same as yours?

When did I say I was only interested in similar opinions? I've been involved in more friendly debates here than you know. I've read thousands of posts from various points of view. I read and hear all sides and form my own judgements. What's YOUR point in posting here if you have such a problem with the member base?

If you don’t like my post then but me on your ignore list, as I have done some of you, since you can not contribute to a constructive debate.

Sorry, not possible, nor is it possible for you to put me on your list. I guess you'll just have to learn to deal with my posts.

 

[Mr. P]

REPITITION...It's how you teach the developmentally and cognitively disabled.

It sure as hell works on the the
liberals, just ask Lolita.:teeth:

 

[White knight]

How are you supposed to have a intelligent debate, when all you do is call names and attack?
pick a specific topic and we will debate it, like adults.