TSA Apologizes To Elderly Women For Strip Search At Kennedy Airport...

[gallantwarrior]

People like you don't go outside. That's why you're so afraid - of life.

What the hell does that mean?

This is the second time you have appeared to be frightened of liberty.

Whats next? Black boots and where are your papers?

I'm not frightened that I might be searched before boarding a Plane, is basically what it means. It does nothing to infringe on any sort of right to board a plane with anything I feel like, because it's a right I don't feel I've ever had.

It's a right you have always had. What is being done to travelers at airportsis a most aggregious violation of your Fourth Amendment right, i.e.:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

 

[G.T.]

What the hell does that mean?

This is the second time you have appeared to be frightened of liberty.

Whats next? Black boots and where are your papers?

I'm not frightened that I might be searched before boarding a Plane, is basically what it means. It does nothing to infringe on any sort of right to board a plane with anything I feel like, because it's a right I don't feel I've ever had.

It's a right you have always had. What is being done to travelers at airportsis a most aggregious violation of your Fourth Amendment right, i.e.:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I don't think that applies to hopping on a private company's property. Even some schools do pat-downs and metal detectors today. Not because they're unnecessary.

 

[paulitician]

But only after initially claiming the two women were liars. This is why most Americans no longer trust their Government. Their first instinct is to always lie initially. And this half-hearted quasi apology will not be enough for these women.

In an about-face, the feds have admitted wrongdoing in the cases of two elderly women who say they were strip-searched at Kennedy Airport by overzealous screeners.

Federal officials had initially insisted that all “screening procedures were followed” after Ruth Sherman, 89, and Lenore Zimmerman, 85, went public with separate accounts of humiliating strip searches.

But in a letter obtained by the Daily News, the Homeland Security Department acknowledges that screeners violated standard practice in their treatment of the ailing octogenarians last November.

Assistant Homeland Security Secretary Betsy Markey concedes to state Sen. Michael Gianaris (D-Queens) that Sherman was forced to show security agents her colostomy bag — a violation of policy.

“It is not standard operating procedure for colostomy devices to be visually inspected, and [the Transportation Security Administration\] apologizes for this employee’s action,” Markey wrote.

The letter says that Sherman, who uses a wheelchair, was escorted into a private area after she voluntarily lowered her pants to show screeners the device.

In the private room, she was patted down and told to show agents the colostomy bag, the letter says.

Markey still maintained that the Florida-based Sherman was never asked to remove her clothing.

“They asked me to pull my sweatpants down, and now they’re not telling you the truth,” Sherman fumed Monday.

Markey also denied that Zimmerman had been strip-searched, but did apologize for the conduct of a TSA agent who violated policy by scanning the Long Island granny’s back brace.

Zimmerman had told The News two female agents removed her clothes — instead of just patting her down — after she revealed that she was wearing a defibrillator.

“They’re lying,” said Zimmerman. “I don’t have a problem with [screeners checking\] the back brace. I have a problem with being strip-searched.”



Read more: TSA apologizes to elderly women for strip search at Kennedy Airport - NY Daily News

If you actually read the apology you will see it still denies a strip search occurred.

That's why i said it was only a half-hearted and quasi apology.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I'm not frightened that I might be searched before boarding a Plane, is basically what it means. It does nothing to infringe on any sort of right to board a plane with anything I feel like, because it's a right I don't feel I've ever had.

It's a right you have always had. What is being done to travelers at airportsis a most aggregious violation of your Fourth Amendment right, i.e.:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I don't think that applies to hopping on a private company's property. Even some schools do pat-downs and metal detectors today. Not because they're unnecessary.

While you may be hopping on some private company's property, it is not a private company defiling your rights. It is the Government. You know, the same Government that was founded under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? The same Government sworn to uphold that Constitution and to protect the Rights listed therein?

 

[G.T.]

It's a right you have always had. What is being done to travelers at airportsis a most aggregious violation of your Fourth Amendment right, i.e.:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

I don't think that applies to hopping on a private company's property. Even some schools do pat-downs and metal detectors today. Not because they're unnecessary.

While you may be hopping on some private company's property, it is not a private company defiling your rights. It is the Government. You know, the same Government that was founded under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? The same Government sworn to uphold that Constitution and to protect the Rights listed therein?

Yes, an airplane is a special situation and not one to get your panties in a bunch over.

Much like your car must be inspected to assure the safety of others on the road with you - these planes (which can be taken down by these passengers) fly over the entirety of the Country - the same Country that the Constitution told the Government that it had to protect. Forgive me if I'm saving my "teh gubbamint wants me imprisoned" battles for something a little bit more relevant to anything fear worthy.

 

[gallantwarrior]

I don't think that applies to hopping on a private company's property. Even some schools do pat-downs and metal detectors today. Not because they're unnecessary.

While you may be hopping on some private company's property, it is not a private company defiling your rights. It is the Government. You know, the same Government that was founded under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? The same Government sworn to uphold that Constitution and to protect the Rights listed therein?

Yes, an airplane is a special situation and not one to get your panties in a bunch over.

Much like your car must be inspected to assure the safety of others on the road with you - these planes (which can be taken down by these passengers) fly over the entirety of the Country - the same Country that the Constitution told the Government that it had to protect. Forgive me if I'm saving my "teh gubbamint wants me imprisoned" battles for something a little bit more relevant to anything fear worthy.

There are better ways to "protect" the public than the ways being employed by this regime. There is NO probable cause that warranted stripping and humiliating these two women. Just as there is NO good reason for most of the violations of our Rights or our dignity as perpetrated by most government agencies, but particularly the TSA.
But it's all OK for you. You are welcome to surrender your freedom as you wish, in any way you wish. I wish you wouldn't drag me and mine down that particular shithole with you.
Baaaahhhh!

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" Benjamin Franklin

 

[G.T.]

While you may be hopping on some private company's property, it is not a private company defiling your rights. It is the Government. You know, the same Government that was founded under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? The same Government sworn to uphold that Constitution and to protect the Rights listed therein?

Yes, an airplane is a special situation and not one to get your panties in a bunch over.

Much like your car must be inspected to assure the safety of others on the road with you - these planes (which can be taken down by these passengers) fly over the entirety of the Country - the same Country that the Constitution told the Government that it had to protect. Forgive me if I'm saving my "teh gubbamint wants me imprisoned" battles for something a little bit more relevant to anything fear worthy.

There are better ways to "protect" the public than the ways being employed by this regime. There is NO probable cause that warranted stripping and humiliating these two women. Just as there is NO good reason for most of the violations of our Rights or our dignity as perpetrated by most government agencies, but particularly the TSA.
But it's all OK for you. You are welcome to surrender your freedom as you wish, in any way you wish. I wish you wouldn't drag me and mine down that particular shithole with you.
Baaaahhhh!

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" Benjamin Franklin

Those are nice platitudes and all, but they don't apply. Like I said - I dpon't agree that there was some imaginary freedom to fly airplanes carring anything you damn well please on you.

 

[paulitician]

While you may be hopping on some private company's property, it is not a private company defiling your rights. It is the Government. You know, the same Government that was founded under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? The same Government sworn to uphold that Constitution and to protect the Rights listed therein?

Yes, an airplane is a special situation and not one to get your panties in a bunch over.

Much like your car must be inspected to assure the safety of others on the road with you - these planes (which can be taken down by these passengers) fly over the entirety of the Country - the same Country that the Constitution told the Government that it had to protect. Forgive me if I'm saving my "teh gubbamint wants me imprisoned" battles for something a little bit more relevant to anything fear worthy.

There are better ways to "protect" the public than the ways being employed by this regime. There is NO probable cause that warranted stripping and humiliating these two women. Just as there is NO good reason for most of the violations of our Rights or our dignity as perpetrated by most government agencies, but particularly the TSA.
But it's all OK for you. You are welcome to surrender your freedom as you wish, in any way you wish. I wish you wouldn't drag me and mine down that particular shithole with you.
Baaaahhhh!

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" Benjamin Franklin

The Government will quietly settle out of court on this. It's how they do things. First they smear them by calling them liars and then they quietly back-track and settle. They know what they did was wrong. So shame on them for lying about it. Smearing good Americans to cover their asses is an awful disgrace. And now guess what? All of us Taxpayers get to pay for this and many other TSA debacles. And the hits just keep on coming from the 'War on Terror.'

 

[gallantwarrior]

Yes, an airplane is a special situation and not one to get your panties in a bunch over.

Much like your car must be inspected to assure the safety of others on the road with you - these planes (which can be taken down by these passengers) fly over the entirety of the Country - the same Country that the Constitution told the Government that it had to protect. Forgive me if I'm saving my "teh gubbamint wants me imprisoned" battles for something a little bit more relevant to anything fear worthy.

There are better ways to "protect" the public than the ways being employed by this regime. There is NO probable cause that warranted stripping and humiliating these two women. Just as there is NO good reason for most of the violations of our Rights or our dignity as perpetrated by most government agencies, but particularly the TSA.
But it's all OK for you. You are welcome to surrender your freedom as you wish, in any way you wish. I wish you wouldn't drag me and mine down that particular shithole with you.
Baaaahhhh!

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both" Benjamin Franklin

Those are nice platitudes and all, but they don't apply. Like I said - I dpon't agree that there was some imaginary freedom to fly airplanes carring anything you damn well please on you.

Yeah, I see what you mean...colostomy bags and breast prostheses are certainly nothing I'd want on an airplane I was on! Not to mention those nasty Depends! Damn, you are so right! Thank you for pointing out the extreme danger.