Trumps plan is workable AND popular

[rhodescholar]

Donald Trump outlines immigration specifics - CNNPolitics.com

A GIGANTIC FUCK YOU to Frank Sharry, whoever that turd pos is, along with the bottom-feeding trash CNN writers of this article. Mass expulsion of illegals and a 20-year time-out/termination of legal immigration to give this country a chance to try to begin the healing of the middle and poor black working classes, is absolutely necessary and is literally the only way to do it.

When I see scumbags like Sharry, who do not work in a real job, running interference for the la raza filth/illegal alien advocacy crowd, my blood boils over these whore bastards. Yes, I am angry because these people are knowingly destroying this country, and are trying to do so in the most vile of ways, pretending that they are "human rights" supporters or some other crap - but they are absolute frauds. How any sane human could be against repairing the mis-reading / mis-interpretation of the 14th amendment I cannot fathom - unless of course there is an agenda involved, which there most certainly is.

Many times in the past this country took a long timeout from even legal immigration, to give the economy a chance to absorb large numbers of immigrants.

The general public has finally, finally come to understand how harmful and costly the illegal alien invasion and overabundant legal immigration framework has been for the country, and those who complain about $25 BBN to build a wall are remarkably silent when stats are brought up to show that the welfare and support of illegal aliens dwarfs that by a wide margin.

Trump is #1 in the polls because the public has had it, and if these fucking dogs in office do not start fixing this problem the right way - mass deportation, build a wall, strong E-verify with massive punishment for employers hiring illegals, termination of the H1-B visa scam, there is going to be an uprising not seen since 1861.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Donald Trump outlines immigration specifics - CNNPolitics.com

A GIGANTIC FUCK YOU to Frank Sharry, whoever that turd pos is, along with the bottom-feeding trash CNN writers of this article. Mass expulsion of illegals and a 20-year time-out/termination of legal immigration to give this country a chance to try to begin the healing of the middle and poor black working classes, is absolutely necessary and is literally the only way to do it.

When I see scumbags like Sharry, who do not work in a real job, running interference for the la raza filth/illegal alien advocacy crowd, my blood boils over these whore bastards. Yes, I am angry because these people are knowingly destroying this country, and are trying to do so in the most vile of ways, pretending that they are "human rights" supporters or some other crap - but they are absolute frauds. How any sane human could be against repairing the mis-reading / mis-interpretation of the 14th amendment I cannot fathom - unless of course there is an agenda involved, which there most certainly is.

Many times in the past this country took a long timeout from even legal immigration, to give the economy a chance to absorb large numbers of immigrants.

The general public has finally, finally come to understand how harmful and costly the illegal alien invasion and overabundant legal immigration framework has been for the country, and those who complain about $25 BBN to build a wall are remarkably silent when stats are brought up to show that the welfare and support of illegal aliens dwarfs that by a wide margin.

Trump is #1 in the polls because the public has had it, and if these fucking dogs in office do not start fixing this problem the right way - mass deportation, build a wall, strong E-verify with massive punishment for employers hiring illegals, termination of the H1-B visa scam, there is going to be an uprising not seen since 1861.

 

[Pete7469]

Ditto...

Although I still support applied legal immigration for Filipino Christian women.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Ditto...

Although I still support applied legal immigration for Filipino Christian women.

Any particular reason for the Filipino exemption?
I know some of em are hot...

 

[Pete7469]

Any particular reason for the Filipino exemption?
I know some of em are hot...

These people are well educated and good workers, and yes the women are for the most part not just hot, but believe in traditional family life where the man build the nest and keeps it feed and protected while the woman maintains it and raises the offspring.

This tradition is being lost thanks to libtardism to the detriment of society.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Donald Trump Immigration Reform

 

[Pete7469]

Donald Trump Immigration Reform

If a truly effective wall was built on our borders, we would need even more enforcement of our northern border. It is far more vast, and there will be people eager to breech it.

 

[Manonthestreet]

YEAH THATS IT .....not

 

[Kondor3]

...If a truly effective wall was built on our borders, we would need even more enforcement of our northern border. It is far more vast, and there will be people eager to breech it.

Nahhhhh... 99.99% of the people who would ordinarily cross the Southern Border do not have the resources to get to Canada the long way or hard way, to try to cross there.

But... in the long run... a wall isn't the answer.

We need to make it impossible for Illegal Aliens to find jobs or housing or medical help or education or automobiles or welfare or banking and financial services, and we need to put teeth into those laws, so that any American caught violating those laws gets crucified - metaphorically - but spanked very damned hard.

Having done so, the 12,000,000 -strong Plague of Locusts will SELF-DEPORT at the speed of light, falling all over each other to get back across the border as quickly as possible, at their own expense, and without the US having to left a finger or spend one dime, to physically deport anybody.

 

[Pete7469]

Nahhhhh... 99.99% of the people who would ordinarily cross the Southern Border do not have the resources to get to Canada the long way or hard way, to try to cross there.

But... in the long run... a wall isn't the answer.

We need to make it impossible for Illegal Aliens to find jobs or housing or medical help or education or automobiles or welfare or banking and financial services, and we need to put teeth into those laws, so that any American caught violating those laws gets crucified - metaphorically - but spanked very damned hard.

Having done so, the 12,000,000 -strong Plague of Locusts will SELF-DEPORT at the speed of light, falling all over each other to get back across the border as quickly as possible, at their own expense, and without the US having to left a finger or spend one dime, to physically deport anybody.

It has been reported that some of these people pay thousands to coyote "guides" who occasionally rape crossers, or leave them for dead in the desert wilderness. A plane ticket to Vancouver couldn't cost much more.

I pretty much agree with you on everything else. Although I would make an exception for those who have assimilated to a decent degree and have been self reliant without any criminal activity.

 

[Kondor3]

Nahhhhh... 99.99% of the people who would ordinarily cross the Southern Border do not have the resources to get to Canada the long way or hard way, to try to cross there.

But... in the long run... a wall isn't the answer.

We need to make it impossible for Illegal Aliens to find jobs or housing or medical help or education or automobiles or welfare or banking and financial services, and we need to put teeth into those laws, so that any American caught violating those laws gets crucified - metaphorically - but spanked very damned hard.

Having done so, the 12,000,000 -strong Plague of Locusts will SELF-DEPORT at the speed of light, falling all over each other to get back across the border as quickly as possible, at their own expense, and without the US having to left a finger or spend one dime, to physically deport anybody.

It has been reported that some of these people pay thousands to coyote "guides" who occasionally rape crossers, or leave them for dead in the desert wilderness. A plane ticket to Vancouver couldn't cost much more.

I pretty much agree with you on everything else. Although I would make an exception for those who have assimilated to a decent degree and have been self reliant without any criminal activity.

The trouble with making exceptions is that - given enough juicy rationalizations - everybody ends-up qualifying for The Exception, and then it's all meaningless.

If we're going to do this, and make it substantive and meaingful, then we need to keep the Exceptions narrow and tight, if, indeed, we grant Exceptions at all.

 

[candycorn]

Donald Trump outlines immigration specifics - CNNPolitics.com

A GIGANTIC FUCK YOU to Frank Sharry, whoever that turd pos is, along with the bottom-feeding trash CNN writers of this article. Mass expulsion of illegals and a 20-year time-out/termination of legal immigration to give this country a chance to try to begin the healing of the middle and poor black working classes, is absolutely necessary and is literally the only way to do it.

When I see scumbags like Sharry, who do not work in a real job, running interference for the la raza filth/illegal alien advocacy crowd, my blood boils over these whore bastards. Yes, I am angry because these people are knowingly destroying this country, and are trying to do so in the most vile of ways, pretending that they are "human rights" supporters or some other crap - but they are absolute frauds. How any sane human could be against repairing the mis-reading / mis-interpretation of the 14th amendment I cannot fathom - unless of course there is an agenda involved, which there most certainly is.

Many times in the past this country took a long timeout from even legal immigration, to give the economy a chance to absorb large numbers of immigrants.

The general public has finally, finally come to understand how harmful and costly the illegal alien invasion and overabundant legal immigration framework has been for the country, and those who complain about $25 BBN to build a wall are remarkably silent when stats are brought up to show that the welfare and support of illegal aliens dwarfs that by a wide margin.

Trump is #1 in the polls because the public has had it, and if these fucking dogs in office do not start fixing this problem the right way - mass deportation, build a wall, strong E-verify with massive punishment for employers hiring illegals, termination of the H1-B visa scam, there is going to be an uprising not seen since 1861.

Immigration polls at 3% on "the most important" issues facing the nation normally. For good reason. It's a non-issue that a popular candidate is focusing on because it has a "solution" that most see as easy. If you want to keep people out, you build a fence. Twenty-five billion to build a wall? Thats quite a bit (I support a wall being built by the way). It will do zilch to keep anyone safer but it does limit the payload one can bring with them acros the border and it also "feels good" to have it there.

What is more troublesome about Mr. Trump's plan is that we are getting rid of the birthright agreement (for lack of a better term) to where if you have a child in the US, they are citizens. IF being born here no longer qualifies you for citizenship, what does? Tripling the number of DHS agents raiding your business looking for illegals will be a happy site I'm sure. It's a total cannard that restricting the number of immigrants will mean more jobs for Americans. More jobs will be avilable; few are lining up to do the low-pay inglorious jobs that are available now. We have listings (and have had listings) for porters and transporters all over the State. On a good month, we may get full staffing at half of the campuses only to have the persons quit later on. And Mr. Trump expects people to believe that they are going to show up on farms to get paid less for outdoor work?

Increasing the "prevailing wage" is good. Remarkably, when Obama did that, it was called socialism by the very same people supporting Trump today.

"Requirement to hire American workers first" from Trump's plan is nonsense; you can't force anyone to hire American workers first (regardless how poorly you explain it). Ending abuse is fine.

Some common sense stuff there is good. The rest is silly. If this is what he is going to war with...he had better hope the other side doesn't show up.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Trumps plan is workable AND popular"

Trump's 'plan' is un-Constitutional, ridiculous, and popular only among other bigots, racists, and like hateful morons.

 

[rhodescholar]

Immigration polls at 3% on "the most important" issues facing the nation normally. For good reason. It's a non-issue that a popular candidate is focusing on because it has a "solution" that most see as easy. If you want to keep people out, you build a fence. Twenty-five billion to build a wall? Thats quite a bit (I support a wall being built by the way). It will do zilch to keep anyone safer but it does limit the payload one can bring with them acros the border and it also "feels good" to have it there.

What is more troublesome about Mr. Trump's plan is that we are getting rid of the birthright agreement (for lack of a better term) to where if you have a child in the US, they are citizens. IF being born here no longer qualifies you for citizenship, what does? Tripling the number of DHS agents raiding your business looking for illegals will be a happy site I'm sure. It's a total cannard that restricting the number of immigrants will mean more jobs for Americans. More jobs will be avilable; few are lining up to do the low-pay inglorious jobs that are available now. We have listings (and have had listings) for porters and transporters all over the State. On a good month, we may get full staffing at half of the campuses only to have the persons quit later on. And Mr. Trump expects people to believe that they are going to show up on farms to get paid less for outdoor work?

Increasing the "prevailing wage" is good. Remarkably, when Obama did that, it was called socialism by the very same people supporting Trump today.

"Requirement to hire American workers first" from Trump's plan is nonsense; you can't force anyone to hire American workers first (regardless how poorly you explain it). Ending abuse is fine.

Some common sense stuff there is good. The rest is silly. If this is what he is going to war with...he had better hope the other side doesn't show up.

Candy, I do not have the time to explain all items in detail, but you are utterly ignorant of many facts about the horrific, negative impact immigrant illegals have had on this country over the past 40 years, plus the over abundance of legals allowed in. Most countries on earth do not allow economic migrants to flow into their countries in these amounts for good reason, only the US is this foolish.

What is a canard is to believe otherwise; the reason americans stopped doing the jobs they did for the first 160 years of the US' existence is because of the wage crushing impact illegals had flooding into these fields: construction was once an excellent job for black americans that paid an excellent wage, now the shops are illegal alien only paying a fraction of what they used to. Hotel bedmaking/concierce services were once an excellent position for black american women, solidifying their economic situation. Landscaping and Fast food were once repositories for teens to learn the importance and responsibility of employment, but like the other jobs have been taken over by illegals. They were all done by americans for decades, but now you're right - no american would take them because it is not economically rational to do so. They have been kept from rioting by increased welfare, or you'd see massive numbers of black americans rioting in EVERY city like Watts '65. To claim otherwise is to ignore reality.

After 4 decades of enduring a mass invasion of illegals, their children have grown now up and are now competing with native americans who have been here for generations for upper middle class jobs. Do I need to mention how those kids are also crowding out native americans for seats in colleges? How about the huge amounts spent on ESL classes for illegal children in schools, or the vast prison costs housing illegals, the section 8 housing assistance, free medical care at local hospitals, free schooling, etc? Those costs are FAR beyond what a wall would cost, built 100 times.

This influx of illegals and legals initiated by lyndon johnson and bobby kennedy in '65 will lead to a mass uprising in this country, and possibly its splintering apart. This is without a doubt the greatest threat this country faces, on a number of fronts, some I mentioned plus others I haven't - like limited space, housing costs rising, pollution caused and limited water resources drained by more people living in the US.

You need to inform yourself many times over before you could even approach this topic.

 

[rhodescholar]

Trump's 'plan' is un-Constitutional, ridiculous, and popular only among other bigots, racists, and like hateful morons.

Shit for brains, you either come up with something intelligent, or GTFO of my thread, you worthless scumbag.

 

[candycorn]

Immigration polls at 3% on "the most important" issues facing the nation normally. For good reason. It's a non-issue that a popular candidate is focusing on because it has a "solution" that most see as easy. If you want to keep people out, you build a fence. Twenty-five billion to build a wall? Thats quite a bit (I support a wall being built by the way). It will do zilch to keep anyone safer but it does limit the payload one can bring with them acros the border and it also "feels good" to have it there.

What is more troublesome about Mr. Trump's plan is that we are getting rid of the birthright agreement (for lack of a better term) to where if you have a child in the US, they are citizens. IF being born here no longer qualifies you for citizenship, what does? Tripling the number of DHS agents raiding your business looking for illegals will be a happy site I'm sure. It's a total cannard that restricting the number of immigrants will mean more jobs for Americans. More jobs will be avilable; few are lining up to do the low-pay inglorious jobs that are available now. We have listings (and have had listings) for porters and transporters all over the State. On a good month, we may get full staffing at half of the campuses only to have the persons quit later on. And Mr. Trump expects people to believe that they are going to show up on farms to get paid less for outdoor work?

Increasing the "prevailing wage" is good. Remarkably, when Obama did that, it was called socialism by the very same people supporting Trump today.

"Requirement to hire American workers first" from Trump's plan is nonsense; you can't force anyone to hire American workers first (regardless how poorly you explain it). Ending abuse is fine.

Some common sense stuff there is good. The rest is silly. If this is what he is going to war with...he had better hope the other side doesn't show up.

Candy, I do not have the time to explain all items in detail, but you are utterly ignorant of many facts about the horrific, negative impact immigrant illegals have had on this country over the past 40 years, plus the over abundance of legals allowed in. Most countries on earth do not allow economic migrants to flow into their countries in these amounts for good reason, only the US is this foolish.

Our society has produced the greatest amount of wealth, the greatest number of millionaires,and the greatest civilization the world has ever witnessed. Illegal and legal Immigration is a concern but it certainly has not hamstrung America for the past century. It's funny that those who support Mr. Trump can be persuaded so easily otherwise.

What is a canard is to believe otherwise; the reason americans stopped doing the jobs they did for the first 160 years of the US' existence is because of the wage crushing impact illegals had flooding into these fields: construction was once an excellent job for black americans that paid an excellent wage, now the shops are illegal alien only paying a fraction of what they used to. Hotel bedmaking/concierce services were once an excellent position for black american women, solidifying their economic situation. Landscaping and Fast food were once repositories for teens to learn the importance and responsibility of employment, but like the other jobs have been taken over by illegals. They were all done by americans for decades, but now you're right - no american would take them because it is not economically rational to do so. They have been kept from rioting by increased welfare, or you'd see massive numbers of black americans rioting in EVERY city like Watts '65. To claim otherwise is to ignore reality.

I like how you go out of your way to say that they are good jobs for "black" americans and "black american women" as if it is beneath the dignity of a white woman to make a bed. It pretty much sums up Trump's appeal.

As for your stating that jobs have been taken over by illegals, Hispanics of every legal class have been in the California fields for multiple generations now.

Depression Era 1930s Repatriation for Mexican Filipino Farm Workers Picture This

Your version of history on this part of the topic is cartoonish at best.

In the inner cities, I will agree with you. If you're here illegally, you need to be legalized before you should be able to work. The silly notion that we are going to round up 12 million people and send them home is farcical. But then again, the fiscal conservative TEA party types are being wooed into what will cost billions (25B for a wall, multiples of Billions for tripling the number of DHS Agents, the uber billions to apprehend, detain, and deport illegals etc..) so this is just another cartoon.

After 4 decades of enduring a mass invasion of illegals, their children have grown now up and are now competing with native americans who have been here for generations for upper middle class jobs. Do I need to mention how those kids are also crowding out native americans for seats in colleges?

I can imagine that there were some "native americans" who were stating the same thing about european immigrants at some point. "Oh my God, Irish boys and girls are now going to college!!!"

How about the huge amounts spent on ESL classes for illegal children in schools, or the vast prison costs housing illegals, the section 8 housing assistance, free medical care at local hospitals, free schooling, etc? Those costs are FAR beyond what a wall would cost, built 100 times.

Yeah, and arresting more and housing them is going to reduce the costs how exactly?

This influx of illegals and legals initiated by lyndon johnson and bobby kennedy in '65 will lead to a mass uprising in this country, and possibly its splintering apart. This is without a doubt the greatest threat this country faces, on a number of fronts, some I mentioned plus others I haven't - like limited space, housing costs rising, pollution caused and limited water resources drained by more people living in the US.

Limited space? Pollution? Mass uprising.
Yeah, okay.

You need to inform yourself many times over before you could even approach this topic.

Why is that? You haven't informed yourself about it and you're typing at length.

Citizens have the same rights regardless of when they became citizens or what their skin color happens to be.

Mr. Trump's plan (if you recall the topic) addresses nothing outside of a wall being built that will do nothing other than limit what illegals bring with them. Stripping people of their citizenship is good for the tractor-pull segement of the base but it won't stop people from trying to come here illegally to work.

 

[Kondor3]

...Immigration polls at 3% on "the most important" issues facing the nation normally...

That's nice. Popular priority is not the only meaningful gauge of importance.

...It's a non-issue...

Incorrect.

The presence of 12,000,000 invaders (Illegal Aliens) present upon United States soil without our prior express consent is not a 'non-issue'

The very real harm that these 12,000,000 Illegal Aliens have done, in depressing wages in several trades, and taking American jobs, is not a 'non-issue'.

...If you want to keep people out, you build a fence. Twenty-five billion to build a wall? Thats quite a bit...

Indeed.

But building a wall is not necessary.

Enforcing the laws of the United States is.

To rid ourselves of this plague of locusts, we merely need to fashion (and enforce) laws that make it impossible for an Illegal Alien to obtain a job or housing or a vehicle or to own property or to obtain banking or wire-transfer services or education or medical or social services, and these Illegal Aliens will scurry back across the border quickly, at their own expense, without a single dime of US taxpayer money being spent upon arrests, detentions, processing, or physical deportations.

We also need teeth in those laws, which heavily penalize those who provide such things to Illegals, as well as de-funding Sanctuary Cities and putting their mayors and councils into jail until they rescind their Sanctuary City status, else face prosecution and conviction and imprisonment and fines and forfeitures, for obstructing Federal immigration law.

...What is more troublesome about Mr. Trump's plan is that we are getting rid of the birthright agreement (for lack of a better term) to where if you have a child in the US, they are citizens. IF being born here no longer qualifies you for citizenship, what does?...

The 14th Amendment was intended to ensure that slaves and their children would automatically classify as citizens, in light of the prejudice they faced.

This created an unanticipated and unintended 'loophole' a century-and-a-half later which Illegal Aliens have exploited, in order to pop-out Anchor Babies by the truckload, to allow them and their families to remain 'anchored' (un-deportable) upon US soil.

And that has to stop.

The way this should read is... if you are born upon US soil as the child of one or more US citizens or if you are born upon US soil as the child of other authorized long-term residents and your parents apply-for and are granted US citizenship on your behalf, or if you are born anywhere else in the world, the child of one or more US citizens, then...

You are a citizen.

If you are the child of Illegal Aliens, then...

You are not.

Regardless of whether or not Trump can "sell" his Immigration Plan, he's putting more draconian solutions back on the table again, in the sunlight, and making it popular to talk about them once again, political correctness be damned - a breath of fresh air that benefits the Republic and its People.

The guy should not and will not be President, but, for now, he does good service to the Nation, by resurrecting badly-needed resolve, in connection with this long-standing issue.

For that reason, here's to him remaining in the race for a long time, before withdrawing.

 

[Oldglory1]

Immigration polls at 3% on "the most important" issues facing the nation normally. For good reason. It's a non-issue that a popular candidate is focusing on because it has a "solution" that most see as easy. If you want to keep people out, you build a fence. Twenty-five billion to build a wall? Thats quite a bit (I support a wall being built by the way). It will do zilch to keep anyone safer but it does limit the payload one can bring with them acros the border and it also "feels good" to have it there.

What is more troublesome about Mr. Trump's plan is that we are getting rid of the birthright agreement (for lack of a better term) to where if you have a child in the US, they are citizens. IF being born here no longer qualifies you for citizenship, what does? Tripling the number of DHS agents raiding your business looking for illegals will be a happy site I'm sure. It's a total cannard that restricting the number of immigrants will mean more jobs for Americans. More jobs will be avilable; few are lining up to do the low-pay inglorious jobs that are available now. We have listings (and have had listings) for porters and transporters all over the State. On a good month, we may get full staffing at half of the campuses only to have the persons quit later on. And Mr. Trump expects people to believe that they are going to show up on farms to get paid less for outdoor work?

Increasing the "prevailing wage" is good. Remarkably, when Obama did that, it was called socialism by the very same people supporting Trump today.

"Requirement to hire American workers first" from Trump's plan is nonsense; you can't force anyone to hire American workers first (regardless how poorly you explain it). Ending abuse is fine.

Some common sense stuff there is good. The rest is silly. If this is what he is going to war with...he had better hope the other side doesn't show up.

Candy, I do not have the time to explain all items in detail, but you are utterly ignorant of many facts about the horrific, negative impact immigrant illegals have had on this country over the past 40 years, plus the over abundance of legals allowed in. Most countries on earth do not allow economic migrants to flow into their countries in these amounts for good reason, only the US is this foolish.

Our society has produced the greatest amount of wealth, the greatest number of millionaires,and the greatest civilization the world has ever witnessed. Illegal and legal Immigration is a concern but it certainly has not hamstrung America for the past century. It's funny that those who support Mr. Trump can be persuaded so easily otherwise.

What is a canard is to believe otherwise; the reason americans stopped doing the jobs they did for the first 160 years of the US' existence is because of the wage crushing impact illegals had flooding into these fields: construction was once an excellent job for black americans that paid an excellent wage, now the shops are illegal alien only paying a fraction of what they used to. Hotel bedmaking/concierce services were once an excellent position for black american women, solidifying their economic situation. Landscaping and Fast food were once repositories for teens to learn the importance and responsibility of employment, but like the other jobs have been taken over by illegals. They were all done by americans for decades, but now you're right - no american would take them because it is not economically rational to do so. They have been kept from rioting by increased welfare, or you'd see massive numbers of black americans rioting in EVERY city like Watts '65. To claim otherwise is to ignore reality.

I like how you go out of your way to say that they are good jobs for "black" americans and "black american women" as if it is beneath the dignity of a white woman to make a bed. It pretty much sums up Trump's appeal.

As for your stating that jobs have been taken over by illegals, Hispanics of every legal class have been in the California fields for multiple generations now.

Depression Era 1930s Repatriation for Mexican Filipino Farm Workers Picture This

Your version of history on this part of the topic is cartoonish at best.

In the inner cities, I will agree with you. If you're here illegally, you need to be legalized before you should be able to work. The silly notion that we are going to round up 12 million people and send them home is farcical. But then again, the fiscal conservative TEA party types are being wooed into what will cost billions (25B for a wall, multiples of Billions for tripling the number of DHS Agents, the uber billions to apprehend, detain, and deport illegals etc..) so this is just another cartoon.

After 4 decades of enduring a mass invasion of illegals, their children have grown now up and are now competing with native americans who have been here for generations for upper middle class jobs. Do I need to mention how those kids are also crowding out native americans for seats in colleges?

I can imagine that there were some "native americans" who were stating the same thing about european immigrants at some point. "Oh my God, Irish boys and girls are now going to college!!!"

How about the huge amounts spent on ESL classes for illegal children in schools, or the vast prison costs housing illegals, the section 8 housing assistance, free medical care at local hospitals, free schooling, etc? Those costs are FAR beyond what a wall would cost, built 100 times.

Yeah, and arresting more and housing them is going to reduce the costs how exactly?

This influx of illegals and legals initiated by lyndon johnson and bobby kennedy in '65 will lead to a mass uprising in this country, and possibly its splintering apart. This is without a doubt the greatest threat this country faces, on a number of fronts, some I mentioned plus others I haven't - like limited space, housing costs rising, pollution caused and limited water resources drained by more people living in the US.

Limited space? Pollution? Mass uprising.
Yeah, okay.

You need to inform yourself many times over before you could even approach this topic.

Why is that? You haven't informed yourself about it and you're typing at length.

Citizens have the same rights regardless of when they became citizens or what their skin color happens to be.

Mr. Trump's plan (if you recall the topic) addresses nothing outside of a wall being built that will do nothing other than limit what illegals bring with them. Stripping people of their citizenship is good for the tractor-pull segement of the base but it won't stop people from trying to come here illegally to work.

There are hardly any jobs that an American won't do for a fair wage. Who do you think did them before the arrival of millions of cheap, illegal aliens. As for farm work there are unlimited H-2A visas for "legal" foreign farm workers. It is not a career job for an American and many don't live in rural areas. The farmers hire illegal aliens simply because it increase their profits instead of using those visas.

Check out Trump's website for a full disclosure as to what he intends to do about illegal immigration if he were to become president. Who's being stripped of their citizenship? If the law is changed it would only affect babies born from that point forward and it would have nothing to do with their skin color! We need to remove all of the incentives for illegals to come here. Jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship is what draws them here. No need to round them up. They will leave with no means to support themselves.

As for the wall it would pay for itself in a short time with the exit of millions of illegal aliens that cost us billions each year with more pouring in here on a daily basis. It would be a one time expense while the status quo would continue to deplete our tax coffers endlessly.

 

[paddymurphy]

Trump's 'plan' is un-Constitutional, ridiculous, and popular only among other bigots, racists, and like hateful morons.

Shit for brains, you either come up with something intelligent, or GTFO of my thread, you worthless scumbag.

How's this?

In Plyler v. Doe, all nine justices agreed with Justice Brennan's conclusion that Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark held that all foreigners or aliens, except those with diplomatic immunity, are subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Therefore, if a person is born in the US, they are citizens. Justice Brennan, writing for the majority, wrote:

Although we have not previously focused on the intended meaning of this phrase, we have had occasion to examine the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment, which provides that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,are citizens of the United States. . . ." (Emphasis added.) Justice Gray, writing for the Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649(1898), detailed at some length the history of the Citizenship Clause, and the predominantly geographic sense in which the term "jurisdiction" was used. He further noted that it was

impossible to construe the words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof," in the opening sentence [of the Fourteenth Amendment], as less comprehensive than the words "within its jurisdiction," in the concluding sentence of the same section; or to hold that persons "within the jurisdiction" of one of the States of the Union are not "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."

Id. at 687.

Justice Gray concluded that

[e]very citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States.

Id. at 693. As one early commentator noted, given the historical emphasis on geographic territoriality, bounded only, if at all, by principles of sovereignty and allegiance, no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment "jurisdiction" can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful. See C. Bouve, Exclusion and Expulsion of Aliens in the United States 425-427 (1912).

So, contrary to the idiotic assertions that Justice Brennan relied on the book by C. Bouve, he relied on the detailed analysis of Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark as to the meaning of the words "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and his conclusion that any person here, other than a diplomat, is subject to the jurisdiction of the US and, if they give birth to a child here, that child is a citizen.

Chief Justice Burger, writing for the minority, agreed:
" I have no quarrel with the conclusion that the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies to aliens who, after their illegal entry into this country, are indeed physically “within the jurisdiction” of a state."

In INS v. Rios Pineda, the Supreme Court's unanimous decision included the following:

"Respondents, a married couple, are natives and citizens of Mexico. Respondent husband illegally entered the United States in 1972. Apprehended, he returned to Mexico in early 1974 under threat of deportation. Two months later, he and respondent wife paid a professional smuggler $450 to transport them into this country, entering the United States without inspection through the smuggler's efforts. Respondent husband was again apprehended by INS agents in 1978. At his request, he was granted permission to return voluntarily to Mexico in lieu of deportation. He was also granted two subsequent extensions of time to depart, but he ultimately declined to leave as promised. INS then instituted deportation proceedings against both respondents. By that time, respondent wife had given birth to a child, who, born in the United States, was a citizen of this country. A deportation hearing was held in December, 1978. Respondents conceded illegal entry, conceded deportability, but requested

You clowns can practice you amateur legal analysis all you want but the fact remains that the United States Supreme Court, and every other Court in this nation, accept as settled law that any person born in the United States, regardless of the legality of the Mother's presence, is natural born United States Citizen. Two stalwart conservatives, George Will and Charles Krauthammer agree. You lost this debate over a century ago but are too stupid to realize it. Today, there will be children born to illegal immigrants. They will be given birth certificates that identify them as American Citizens. They will eventually get Social Security Numbers. When they are 18, they will register to vote and register for selective service. Should they desire to travel abroad, they will get passports identifying them as US citizens. For all of the mental masturbation you and your like minded friends have engaged in on this thread and others the last couple of says, that remains a fact that you cannot change. You cannot take away from the millions of native born Americans whose parents happen to have entered here illegally their citizenship. And there is no support in Congress for either passing a law to see of the Supreme Court is willing to revisit and overturn a precedent that has lasted for over 120 years or seeking to amend the constitution. So, go ahead and pretend to have a clue about Constitutional law while illegal aliens will continue to give birth to American Citizens who are likely, when grown, to have far better understanding of and appreciation for the things that make this nation great than you do.

 

[rhodescholar]

You clowns can practice you amateur legal analysis all you want but the fact remains that the United States Supreme Court, and every other Court in this nation, accept as settled law that any person born in the United States, regardless of the legality of the Mother's presence, is natural born United States Citizen. Two stalwart conservatives, George Will and Charles Krauthammer agree. You lost this debate over a century ago but are too stupid to realize it. Today, there will be children born to illegal immigrants. They will be given birth certificates that identify them as American Citizens. They will eventually get Social Security Numbers. When they are 18, they will register to vote and register for selective service. Should they desire to travel abroad, they will get passports identifying them as US citizens. For all of the mental masturbation you and your like minded friends have engaged in on this thread and others the last couple of says, that remains a fact that you cannot change. You cannot take away from the millions of native born Americans whose parents happen to have entered here illegally their citizenship. And there is no support in Congress for either passing a law to see of the Supreme Court is willing to revisit and overturn a precedent that has lasted for over 120 years or seeking to amend the constitution. So, go ahead and pretend to have a clue about Constitutional law while illegal aliens will continue to give birth to American Citizens who are likely, when grown, to have far better understanding of and appreciation for the things that make this nation great than you do.

And it will take a punch in the face for idiot assholes like you too stupid to understand what an unbelievable cost and waste of money that is being spent on illegal aliens. If you think there is not a mass movement by the public to get this fixed, you are asleep and not paying attention; there have ALREADY been bills put forth in the House of Rep to change it.

BTW, for the sane and intelligent, read this legal scholar's write-up, whom I beleive is correct. Since the parents are not subject to the US, their children would not be either.

Birthright Citizenship Is Not Actually in the Constitution - NYTimes.com