Trump would be correct to assert a national emergency in order to build the wall

[Toro]

American citizens are being victimized by millions of illegals and it is clear that the U.S. Congress is unwilling to protect their American constituents.

However, I'm not confident that the SCOTUS is willing to defend the American people and it's possible that they would ultimately rule that Trump cannot protect the people.

Thank you for your retarded logic.

When the Dems get back into power, they will use the exact same logic to increase environmental taxes for global warming.

 

[K9Buck]

American citizens are being victimized by millions of illegals and it is clear that the U.S. Congress is unwilling to protect their American constituents.

However, I'm not confident that the SCOTUS is willing to defend the American people and it's possible that they would ultimately rule that Trump cannot protect the people.

Thank you for your retarded logic.

When the Dems get back into power, they will use the exact same logic to increase environmental taxes for global warming.

Seventy THOUSAND illegals came in just last month. Yes, it is an emergency. No, Congress is UNWILLING to protect America's borders or its citizens. Yes, Trump absolutely MUST declare a national emergency do what is necessary to stop the tens of thousands of illegals streaming into America monthly.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

20 million is far more reasonable.

This Yale/MIT study put it at around 22 million as of last September.

Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

US Census comes up soon. I will accept the 11 million number. Gentlemen place your wagers. We start at 50 grand.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

American citizens are being victimized by millions of illegals and it is clear that the U.S. Congress is unwilling to protect their American constituents.

However, I'm not confident that the SCOTUS is willing to defend the American people and it's possible that they would ultimately rule that Trump cannot protect the people.

Thank you for your retarded logic.

When the Dems get back into power, they will use the exact same logic to increase environmental taxes for global warming.

Seventy THOUSAND illegals came in just last month. Yes, it is an emergency. No, Congress is UNWILLING to protect America's borders or its citizens. Yes, Trump absolutely MUST declare a national emergency do what is necessary to stop the tens of thousands of illegals streaming into America monthly.

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

 

[K9Buck]

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

That is a totally dumb ass question. But, let me fix it for you:

WHY I OPPOSE THE BUILD THE WALL CRACKPOTS

The number one reason is the dumb fucks on the right think the only way a foreigner should enter is through some non-existent method they call "legal" which is code for citizenship.

The Constitution does not require people to become citizens in order to participate in the free market. We're losing our country because the right is wrong on the way we do business.

Furthermore, the Constitution gives Congress a very limited role in this. It is in some very short and sweet language:

"Congress shall have the power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization" Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The second major reason I'm opposed to those people is that after FOUR DECADES of being involved in this issue, the percentages of people from south of the border never changes.

The build the wall people harp on how many people come here, but never give a figure on how many go back to their native country. If they worked in the field and spent equal amounts of time on every side, they would understand: it's interstate commerce. People coming here to engage in the free market are not covered by the Constitution. The word immigration means to leave one's country for the purpose of coming to another country for permanent residence.Look it up in a legal dictionary if you don't believe it.

The third major reason can be found in my critics admission that I don't agree with this idiocy is that the immigration laws were forced through Congress by liberals. They were meant to implode and they end up being a subtle tool for committing genocide against the white people.

America was not built to be inhabited by every race, color, creed, political persuasion, sexual orientation, and religious viewpoint. Citizenship is a privilege, not a rite of passage in order to exercise unalienable Rights. You have to separate interstate commerce from immigration since coming here has NOTHING to do with immigration (constitutionally speaking) UNLESS the foreigner plans on staying here permanently.

The bigger question is why are people like you so consumed with CONTROL? Do you not listen to the voices of reason? To draw you a legal analogy (IF you can understand it) the way I ALMOST lost a court case came when I won a political battle to limit the places a person can smoke. Great. Separate areas for people to eat without breathing cigarette smoke.

Then the city of Atlanta banned "assault weapons." They cited the very bill I helped write. They said that we empowered government to protect our safety with the anti - smoking bill. So, by outlawing so - called assault weapons, they were protecting our safety. The ONLY reason we ended up winning is because Georgia law pre-empted local legislation that is inconsistent with state law.

Now you want to control people who come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. Then you'll bitch when the government passes a law based upon legislation you supported to unconstitutionally control a group of people engaging in otherwise legal activities??? I should teach you the concept of regulation instead of control.

 

[K9Buck]

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

That is a totally dumb ass question. But, let me fix it for you:

WHY I OPPOSE THE BUILD THE WALL CRACKPOTS

The number one reason is the dumb fucks on the right think the only way a foreigner should enter is through some non-existent method they call "legal" which is code for citizenship.

The Constitution does not require people to become citizens in order to participate in the free market. We're losing our country because the right is wrong on the way we do business.

Furthermore, the Constitution gives Congress a very limited role in this. It is in some very short and sweet language:

"Congress shall have the power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization" Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The second major reason I'm opposed to those people is that after FOUR DECADES of being involved in this issue, the percentages of people from south of the border never changes.

The build the wall people harp on how many people come here, but never give a figure on how many go back to their native country. If they worked in the field and spent equal amounts of time on every side, they would understand: it's interstate commerce. People coming here to engage in the free market are not covered by the Constitution. The word immigration means to leave one's country for the purpose of coming to another country for permanent residence.Look it up in a legal dictionary if you don't believe it.

The third major reason can be found in my critics admission that I don't agree with this idiocy is that the immigration laws were forced through Congress by liberals. They were meant to implode and they end up being a subtle tool for committing genocide against the white people.

America was not built to be inhabited by every race, color, creed, political persuasion, sexual orientation, and religious viewpoint. Citizenship is a privilege, not a rite of passage in order to exercise unalienable Rights. You have to separate interstate commerce from immigration since coming here has NOTHING to do with immigration (constitutionally speaking) UNLESS the foreigner plans on staying here permanently.

The bigger question is why are people like you so consumed with CONTROL? Do you not listen to the voices of reason? To draw you a legal analogy (IF you can understand it) the way I ALMOST lost a court case came when I won a political battle to limit the places a person can smoke. Great. Separate areas for people to eat without breathing cigarette smoke.

Then the city of Atlanta banned "assault weapons." They cited the very bill I helped write. They said that we empowered government to protect our safety with the anti - smoking bill. So, by outlawing so - called assault weapons, they were protecting our safety. The ONLY reason we ended up winning is because Georgia law pre-empted local legislation that is inconsistent with state law.

Now you want to control people who come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. Then you'll bitch when the government passes a law based upon legislation you supported to unconstitutionally control a group of people engaging in otherwise legal activities??? I should teach you the concept of regulation instead of control.

Our schools, jails, prisons and emergency rooms are filled with illegals and there is a cost associated with their presence, which is passed on to the American citizen. Obviously, the U.S. Congress and possibly half of the U.S. are opposed to border security and even having immigration policies. Why am I obligated to take food off of my child's plate in order to subsidize foreigners that have no legal right to be here? How did I incur that debt?

 

[Correll]

Mmm, interesting.


Tell me what you mean by "committed to the amalgamation of people".

The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)

You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.

There is a contradiction between your talk of "amalgamation" and gloating that whites are "dying off".

There is no contradiction of what I'm saying to you. You simply are not paying attention. It's really that simple. You are a pawn in a political mind game.

If you don't understand Hegelian Dialectics and if you can't step back and be objective, the only thing you will ever be for the left is a useful idiot (that's their lingo for it BTW.)

You are gloating about me and mine "dying off". It is hard to be objective about that.


But any positive :Amalgamation" should not be based on the elimination of one of the major parts.


This is an assumption on my part. Are you aiming, or saying that our society is aiming for a POSITIVE "amalgamation"?

You would have to reword your entire posting before my dumb ass could understand it.

I'm not gloating that the posterity of the founders (i.e. the white people) are dying off. I've worked for the last few decades trying to warn them of the subtle genocide of whites by non-whites.

They can preach all the horse dung on God's green earth about equality, anti-discrimination themes, etc., but rest assured that most of the non-white voters in the United States see you as a perceived enemy and our system based upon Anglo Saxon laws as impediments to what they want. And so the non-whites wage a cultural war removing the statues, monuments, memorials, and plaques that speak to our history. They bitched about the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate when that was absolute B.S. and once they've run out of the aforementioned items to eliminate, they will want to change the U.S. flag - the one that flew over the White House when the Dred Scott decision went down.

Throughout history, even in the Bible, the mixing of cultures, races, religions, differing political opinions, sexual persuasions etc. has always resulted in the fall of that civilization. In the Bible the people "sought to be one" and that precipitated God destroying Tower of Babel. Same thing happened with the Roman Empire.

Those playing into the hands of the globalists are insuring the demise of the white people. Every couple of years I watch helplessly as people refuse sound counsel and fall by the wayside. I've known many that have been put in prison, jail, flipped by the LEO community... even killed. Each year we accept more liberalism, more Big Brother Government, more tyranny and I get sick of saying I told you so while people like you play into their hands and end up licking the boots of the slave masters - even praising them for selling you into slavery.

So, why are you against the idea of a wall, to prevent people coming in, over and above what is already too many allowed by law?

 

[Correll]

Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.

Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.

Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.

1. 20 million is not an inflated number. Calling me a liar, when it is you spouting number that were weak shit, before they became old, is certainly not called for.

2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal, is not name calling. NOr does it indicate any attempt to dehumanize them. Save the drama for the tourists.

1) You have inflated the numbers and you don't even give your own God credit for what he's claiming... or have his other measures been colossal failures? It cannot be both

2) You have to call people names because you think it helps to give credibility to your argument. Acutally, it says you have NO argument. Voting results in the last two election cycles have you LOSING SUPPORT, not gaining.

1. The standard number used, was based on Census results, ie asking people here illegally to admit on government forms that they were here illegally. That gave a falsely low number. And then years passed, and that number was never adjusted to deal with the constant inflow.

20 million is far more reasonable.



2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal is not calling someone a name. This is a tactic designed by the Left to avoid actual debate on the issues, by manufacturing false outrage.

YOur attempt to dodge real debate, is noted and held against you.

1) You've offered NO evidence of how many people are in this country without papers. Would you like to place a wager on which of us will be closer? The Census is coming up next year, you know. Would you wager - say fifty grand as proof of your belief in that number? I can secure my end of the bet if you can

2) I do not call people "illegal" any damn thing - left or right until they've been arrested, tried in a court of law by a jury of their peers and sentenced. This practice relates to the 14th Amendment's guarantee of "equal protection of the laws" - if those people are "illegal" absent Due Process, then when the government wants to presume that because you are a Trump supporter, white, male... then you might be an enemy combatant / domestic terrorist. And the LEO community won't give two hoots in Hell about Due Process for you either. I'm telling you this from experience. And the dumb shits that went to prison are on the same side of the political fence as you - and they ended up in prison for the same reason you probably will.

It's kind of stupid to risk your entire ideology on points that will cause you to lose. You don't have enough people to keep sacrificing in a war of attrition. You should take the founders admonitions seriously:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

1. The idea that people in the country illegally, will honestly say so on a government form is wrong. That is the basic flaw of the last number. That has not been updated by people since the last census.


2. This is not a court of law. We know that millions and millions of people are in this country illegally. Lumping them into a group and referring to the group as "illegals" is completely reasonable and not a slur. You are employing the liberal tactic of manufactured offense to deflect from valid points you don't like.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

That is a totally dumb ass question. But, let me fix it for you:

WHY I OPPOSE THE BUILD THE WALL CRACKPOTS

The number one reason is the dumb fucks on the right think the only way a foreigner should enter is through some non-existent method they call "legal" which is code for citizenship.

The Constitution does not require people to become citizens in order to participate in the free market. We're losing our country because the right is wrong on the way we do business.

Furthermore, the Constitution gives Congress a very limited role in this. It is in some very short and sweet language:

"Congress shall have the power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization" Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The second major reason I'm opposed to those people is that after FOUR DECADES of being involved in this issue, the percentages of people from south of the border never changes.

The build the wall people harp on how many people come here, but never give a figure on how many go back to their native country. If they worked in the field and spent equal amounts of time on every side, they would understand: it's interstate commerce. People coming here to engage in the free market are not covered by the Constitution. The word immigration means to leave one's country for the purpose of coming to another country for permanent residence.Look it up in a legal dictionary if you don't believe it.

The third major reason can be found in my critics admission that I don't agree with this idiocy is that the immigration laws were forced through Congress by liberals. They were meant to implode and they end up being a subtle tool for committing genocide against the white people.

America was not built to be inhabited by every race, color, creed, political persuasion, sexual orientation, and religious viewpoint. Citizenship is a privilege, not a rite of passage in order to exercise unalienable Rights. You have to separate interstate commerce from immigration since coming here has NOTHING to do with immigration (constitutionally speaking) UNLESS the foreigner plans on staying here permanently.

The bigger question is why are people like you so consumed with CONTROL? Do you not listen to the voices of reason? To draw you a legal analogy (IF you can understand it) the way I ALMOST lost a court case came when I won a political battle to limit the places a person can smoke. Great. Separate areas for people to eat without breathing cigarette smoke.

Then the city of Atlanta banned "assault weapons." They cited the very bill I helped write. They said that we empowered government to protect our safety with the anti - smoking bill. So, by outlawing so - called assault weapons, they were protecting our safety. The ONLY reason we ended up winning is because Georgia law pre-empted local legislation that is inconsistent with state law.

Now you want to control people who come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. Then you'll bitch when the government passes a law based upon legislation you supported to unconstitutionally control a group of people engaging in otherwise legal activities??? I should teach you the concept of regulation instead of control.

Our schools, jails, prisons and emergency rooms are filled with illegals and there is a cost associated with their presence, which is passed on to the American citizen. Obviously, the U.S. Congress and possibly half of the U.S. are opposed to border security and even having immigration policies. Why am I obligated to take food off of my child's plate in order to subsidize foreigners that have no legal right to be here? How did I incur that debt?

BULLSHIT

The House of Representatives fell to the Democrats. Trump lost support in the Senate. Then some group started a GoFundMe page to raise the money to build the wall. That effort collapsed and the people who started the page had to refund the collected funds. I'd like to put some perspective into what that effort represents:

One of the wallists talking points is that so called "illegals" are getting free health care and bankrupting the hospitals. So, the medical community had a dog in the fight - IF you buy the lie.

According to one source specialists make around $300,000 per year

How Much Do Doctors Make in 2018?

There are over 500,000 specialists in the United States:

Active physicians U.S. number by specialty 2018 | Statistic

Not all of those specialists will come into contact with undocumented foreigners; however, there are emergency hospital personnel, paramedics, LRNs, RPNs, PAs, etc., etc. that do which figure into the over-all picture. But if we use just the specialists only, we arrive at an income of $150 BILLION dollars a year. Again that does not count the 20 or so support personnel behind each specialist. And a GoFundMe page collapses because we cannot find $5 Billion dollars? Simply translated, the wallists are blowing smoke and there is no real concern by those supposedly affected to write a one time check to make their jobs easier and their incomes higher. The wallists do not understand the economics of their own country. Most Americans do NOT support the wall. That number rises daily.

Insofar as schools are concerned, your problem is with the federal government. You want to make government bigger. The reality is, Thomas Jefferson did not want the federal government involved in education.

Did you realize that when Thomas Jefferson penned the words to the Danbury Baptists regarding the separation of church and state, the educational system in the U.S. was the church's bailiwick? Jefferson was essentially promising the people that the government would never usurp that authority... yet that is exactly what happened and you're trying your best to justify it! The irony of it all.

With respect to prisons:

America has more people in prison than any nation on the planet. It is part and parcel of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Author Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

You are pushing horseshit. Border security and the wall aren't even remotely related. Foreigners are here because the American people willingly do business with them. The medical industry, with the most to lose, in your standard canard of excuses obviously disagrees with you. They spoke more with silence than I can with a thousand paragraphs.

 

[K9Buck]

Porter, I support immigration. I don't support illegal immigration and the open-border policies of the Democrats. Obviously, you feel differently. I suppose we can leave it there.

 

[depotoo]

First, no it hasn’t collapsed-
MAJOR UPDATE on the Gofundme Wall – THIS IS THE INFO YOU HAVE ASKED FOR
Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage


Secondly, the salary of doctors has nothing to do with the costs to hospitals for treating those illegals that can’t pay. Why do you think hospitals close? They can’t stay afloat, due to unpaid bills due to indigent care, whether from illegals or others.
A Hospital on Border Going Over the Edge
Illegal Immigrants Overrun Arizona's Emergency Rooms


Prisons, thirdly. Take away the criminal illegal inhabitants, how much does our population come in line with other countries not facing the influx of illegals we have. And this figure does not include state prisons or local jail numbers.

Immigration Status of Aliens in BOP Custody
As of September 28, 2017, a total of 24,476 confirmed aliens were housed in BOP facilities, and an additional 14,979 foreign-born individuals in BOP facilities remained under ICE investigation; together these known and suspected aliens accounted for 21 percent of all federal inmates in BOP custody.2 At least 22,614 aliens in BOP facilities were unlawfully present, including 20,240 people (51 percent of the total) who had been ordered removed and 2,374 people (six percent) who were unlawfully present and in removal proceedings. Less than five percent of the total (1,852 people) were lawfully present and in removal proceedings, and just 10 aliens had received an immigration benefit or received relief from removal. See Figure 1.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf
It is stated that criminal illegal aliens avg 7 arrests.

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

That is a totally dumb ass question. But, let me fix it for you:

WHY I OPPOSE THE BUILD THE WALL CRACKPOTS

The number one reason is the dumb fucks on the right think the only way a foreigner should enter is through some non-existent method they call "legal" which is code for citizenship.

The Constitution does not require people to become citizens in order to participate in the free market. We're losing our country because the right is wrong on the way we do business.

Furthermore, the Constitution gives Congress a very limited role in this. It is in some very short and sweet language:

"Congress shall have the power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization" Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The second major reason I'm opposed to those people is that after FOUR DECADES of being involved in this issue, the percentages of people from south of the border never changes.

The build the wall people harp on how many people come here, but never give a figure on how many go back to their native country. If they worked in the field and spent equal amounts of time on every side, they would understand: it's interstate commerce. People coming here to engage in the free market are not covered by the Constitution. The word immigration means to leave one's country for the purpose of coming to another country for permanent residence.Look it up in a legal dictionary if you don't believe it.

The third major reason can be found in my critics admission that I don't agree with this idiocy is that the immigration laws were forced through Congress by liberals. They were meant to implode and they end up being a subtle tool for committing genocide against the white people.

America was not built to be inhabited by every race, color, creed, political persuasion, sexual orientation, and religious viewpoint. Citizenship is a privilege, not a rite of passage in order to exercise unalienable Rights. You have to separate interstate commerce from immigration since coming here has NOTHING to do with immigration (constitutionally speaking) UNLESS the foreigner plans on staying here permanently.

The bigger question is why are people like you so consumed with CONTROL? Do you not listen to the voices of reason? To draw you a legal analogy (IF you can understand it) the way I ALMOST lost a court case came when I won a political battle to limit the places a person can smoke. Great. Separate areas for people to eat without breathing cigarette smoke.

Then the city of Atlanta banned "assault weapons." They cited the very bill I helped write. They said that we empowered government to protect our safety with the anti - smoking bill. So, by outlawing so - called assault weapons, they were protecting our safety. The ONLY reason we ended up winning is because Georgia law pre-empted local legislation that is inconsistent with state law.

Now you want to control people who come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. Then you'll bitch when the government passes a law based upon legislation you supported to unconstitutionally control a group of people engaging in otherwise legal activities??? I should teach you the concept of regulation instead of control.

Our schools, jails, prisons and emergency rooms are filled with illegals and there is a cost associated with their presence, which is passed on to the American citizen. Obviously, the U.S. Congress and possibly half of the U.S. are opposed to border security and even having immigration policies. Why am I obligated to take food off of my child's plate in order to subsidize foreigners that have no legal right to be here? How did I incur that debt?

BULLSHIT

The House of Representatives fell to the Democrats. Trump lost support in the Senate. Then some group started a GoFundMe page to raise the money to build the wall. That effort collapsed and the people who started the page had to refund the collected funds. I'd like to put some perspective into what that effort represents:

One of the wallists talking points is that so called "illegals" are getting free health care and bankrupting the hospitals. So, the medical community had a dog in the fight - IF you buy the lie.

According to one source specialists make around $300,000 per year

How Much Do Doctors Make in 2018?

There are over 500,000 specialists in the United States:

Active physicians U.S. number by specialty 2018 | Statistic

Not all of those specialists will come into contact with undocumented foreigners; however, there are emergency hospital personnel, paramedics, LRNs, RPNs, PAs, etc., etc. that do which figure into the over-all picture. But if we use just the specialists only, we arrive at an income of $150 BILLION dollars a year. Again that does not count the 20 or so support personnel behind each specialist. And a GoFundMe page collapses because we cannot find $5 Billion dollars? Simply translated, the wallists are blowing smoke and there is no real concern by those supposedly affected to write a one time check to make their jobs easier and their incomes higher. The wallists do not understand the economics of their own country. Most Americans do NOT support the wall. That number rises daily.

Insofar as schools are concerned, your problem is with the federal government. You want to make government bigger. The reality is, Thomas Jefferson did not want the federal government involved in education.

Did you realize that when Thomas Jefferson penned the words to the Danbury Baptists regarding the separation of church and state, the educational system in the U.S. was the church's bailiwick? Jefferson was essentially promising the people that the government would never usurp that authority... yet that is exactly what happened and you're trying your best to justify it! The irony of it all.

With respect to prisons:

America has more people in prison than any nation on the planet. It is part and parcel of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Author Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

You are pushing horseshit. Border security and the wall aren't even remotely related. Foreigners are here because the American people willingly do business with them. The medical industry, with the most to lose, in your standard canard of excuses obviously disagrees with you. They spoke more with silence than I can with a thousand paragraphs.

 

[Correll]

1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.

INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.


2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.


3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.


4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.

You are a pathetic liar jockeying for relevance in a changing world. The United States Constitution does not give ANY branch of the government the authority to interfere in who a state may invite to stay within their borders. Besides that, NO democratically elected body can deny to any person their rights to Life and Liberty.

You think I'm gloating that dumb asses like you don't want to put your efforts into saving the Republic and I'm trying to convince you to pull your head out of your ass?

You don't make a Hell of a lot of sense. You advocate for martial law; you push for the ultimate POLICE STATE; you're all about more control, more laws, more tax money, more involvement by bureaucrats that know how to use your precedents against you and you STILL have this desire to screw the posterity of the founders over, making sure that they can NEVER be able to mount a resistance to the flustercuck you are creating. You are your own worst enemy.

1. Our immigration laws were, mostly, enacted though our democratic process. Wanting them enforced is completely reasonable.


2. Yes, when you say shit like " your old white asses are dying off, while non whites are breeding and becoming citizens" yes, that sounds like gloating.


3. Wanting an immigration policy designed to benefit Americans, is not pusHing for "the ultimate POLICE STATE".


4. And again, don't pretend to care about the founders, while gloating that their posterity are "dying off".

1) The current immigration laws were forced through Congress by the far left in an attempt to wage subtle genocide against white people

2) Well reading is not your strong suit. I'm madder than Hell to think that people like you think they can live off their parents and the taxpayers, sit on your ass wailing about the wages in America on the Internet and believing you should be paid as much as the people who either go to school and get an education OR get off their lazy asses and claim some of the many existing jobs out there.

3) You start at the bottom and work your way up. Entrepreneurs live off work you think you're too damn good to do and they work their way up. You really buy into that shit that because you're an American you should be paid an obscene amount of money for doing little more than mopping floors or being a laborer.

Your infantile remarks help discredit stupid people that buy into that swill you sell. The left thanks you.

The swill you sell (current immigration laws that are anti-white) and give unlimited powers to the federal government to nullify the Bill of Rights in order to save your from yourself are counter-productive to a Republic.

4) Someone should spit in your face for you lame ass comments about what I feel toward the posterity of the founders since I am a direct descendant of one. I'm not gloating and if you had an IQ above your shoe size, you'd realize that I'm mad as Hell at the utter stupidity of dumb asses like you. The people I know, myself included, have fought, sweated, sacrificed, and spent more money than you make, trying to save this country while idiots like you come along, buy into left wing horseshit propaganda and do all you can to destroy your own culture through blatant stupidity.

When you get about four decades of this shit under your belt, have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the cause, and have sacrificed all you can give, come talk to us about how freaking great you think you are.

1. Agreed. But enforcing those laws are still better than just letting anyone who wants walk into the country.


2. a. You intent was unclear in that portion of your post, but you seem to be attacking the idea of caring about the income stagnation of unskilled or semi skilled workers. Was that you intent?

2 b And nothing of what you posted explained your comment about "old white asses dying off".


3. Too many Americans have been denied the opportunity to work their way up, because they are constantly being undercut, by the unlimited supply of Third World, labor, in several forms.

It is completely reasonable to advocate for policy to address that issue.


4. You seem to be jumping all over the place.

1) Create a Guest Worker program with NO expectation of citizenship

2 a) (sic) - The way it used to be in America is that you started at the bottom and worked your way up. You seem not to want that. If you are an entrepreneur, you find a need and fill it.

My father started a construction company with virtually no money. His first customers were gotten when my father would bid half of what regular contractors were bidding. We never went hungry and he died a millionaire. You think whites are too good to do that today. I'm sorry for you

2b) (sic) - Like it or not dude, the people spewing the shit you spew have been on the front pages of the newspapers, courted by the MSM, and have had the advantage of 24 / 7 MSM coverage for the last decade and a half.

What did your side accomplish?

The conservative leaders and the militia leaders of the 1990s are gone. Nobody remembers them. What you aspire to was liberalism in 1980. The political and legal victories made by the conservatives were reversed by the people you keep sucking up to. The ONLY things the wallists have done is to build a bigger and more intrusive government, kill off more of your own kind than the left ever could have, and sabotage the work done by constitutionalists, conservatives and patriots - erasing all the gains they made from the 1970s through about 2001 / 2002 when your side adopted socialism as a solution

3) I take bids on jobs all the time. Americans who think they're contractors come out here in a pick up truck and bid against the big box guys. I'm sorry dude, but a 10 percent lower bid isn't going to cut it. I have to take chances on these guys. They have no insurance; they aren't bonded; they have no assets if they screw up a job; you can't get anything guaranteed.

They can undercut the big box guys by 40 percent and make a great living. Anyone who says different is full of shit. The big box guys pay 30 percent of the gross to the man who recommends them to do the job. My best friend drives around finding roofing jobs. Each time he signs up a customer, he gets 30 percent of the gross on that job. After expenses he's raking in over 70 grand a year. Save your lies. I know how the game is played

4) You jump all over the place as well.

1. Better than what we have, but still forcing Americans to compete directly against Third World labor, AND will make any children those workers have, American citizens.

2.a. Not wanting people stuck on the bottom, nor wanting the bottom to be so low, is not wanting to do away with the concept of working your way up.

2b THe failure of the republicans to do anything about this issue, is true. But what you are suggesting is surrender. That is just a faster way of losing.


3. YOu are making rational choices based on the business environment you are operating in. That is fine. I want to change the environment to give more opportunity to American citizens. Do those Big Box guys use immigrant labor?


My mother in law was a nurse's aide at a small city hospital. Her hospital was bought out by a major health network based in a near by city, with a significant immigrant population.


It was a huge problem because the small city hospital's nurse's aides, made much more than those in the bigger city.

The difference of a few dollars an hour, can make the difference between poverty and working poor.

 

[Correll]

20 million is far more reasonable.

This Yale/MIT study put it at around 22 million as of last September.

Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

I was rounding down.

 

[Correll]

20 million is far more reasonable.

This Yale/MIT study put it at around 22 million as of last September.

Yale, MIT study: 22 million, not 11 million, undocumented immigrants in US

US Census comes up soon. I will accept the 11 million number. Gentlemen place your wagers. We start at 50 grand.

It is absurd to think that people in the country illegally will truthfully fill out government forms. Too many of them will be concerned that the forms would be used to deport them. As it would be in a sane world.

 

[Faun]

First, no it hasn’t collapsed-
MAJOR UPDATE on the Gofundme Wall – THIS IS THE INFO YOU HAVE ASKED FOR
Click here to support We The People Will Build the Wall organized by Brian Kolfage


Secondly, the salary of doctors has nothing to do with the costs to hospitals for treating those illegals that can’t pay. Why do you think hospitals close? They can’t stay afloat, due to unpaid bills due to indigent care, whether from illegals or others.
A Hospital on Border Going Over the Edge
Illegal Immigrants Overrun Arizona's Emergency Rooms


Prisons, thirdly. Take away the criminal illegal inhabitants, how much does our population come in line with other countries not facing the influx of illegals we have. And this figure does not include state prisons or local jail numbers.

Immigration Status of Aliens in BOP Custody
As of September 28, 2017, a total of 24,476 confirmed aliens were housed in BOP facilities, and an additional 14,979 foreign-born individuals in BOP facilities remained under ICE investigation; together these known and suspected aliens accounted for 21 percent of all federal inmates in BOP custody.2 At least 22,614 aliens in BOP facilities were unlawfully present, including 20,240 people (51 percent of the total) who had been ordered removed and 2,374 people (six percent) who were unlawfully present and in removal proceedings. Less than five percent of the total (1,852 people) were lawfully present and in removal proceedings, and just 10 aliens had received an immigration benefit or received relief from removal. See Figure 1.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Alien_Incarceration_Report_OIS_FY17_Q4_2.pdf
It is stated that criminal illegal aliens avg 7 arrests.

How many of those elusive "illegals" left?

Let me answer your question with one of my own. Why do you oppose controlling who enters our nation?

That is a totally dumb ass question. But, let me fix it for you:

WHY I OPPOSE THE BUILD THE WALL CRACKPOTS

The number one reason is the dumb fucks on the right think the only way a foreigner should enter is through some non-existent method they call "legal" which is code for citizenship.

The Constitution does not require people to become citizens in order to participate in the free market. We're losing our country because the right is wrong on the way we do business.

Furthermore, the Constitution gives Congress a very limited role in this. It is in some very short and sweet language:

"Congress shall have the power ... To establish a uniform rule of naturalization" Article 1 Section 8 of the United States Constitution

The second major reason I'm opposed to those people is that after FOUR DECADES of being involved in this issue, the percentages of people from south of the border never changes.

The build the wall people harp on how many people come here, but never give a figure on how many go back to their native country. If they worked in the field and spent equal amounts of time on every side, they would understand: it's interstate commerce. People coming here to engage in the free market are not covered by the Constitution. The word immigration means to leave one's country for the purpose of coming to another country for permanent residence.Look it up in a legal dictionary if you don't believe it.

The third major reason can be found in my critics admission that I don't agree with this idiocy is that the immigration laws were forced through Congress by liberals. They were meant to implode and they end up being a subtle tool for committing genocide against the white people.

America was not built to be inhabited by every race, color, creed, political persuasion, sexual orientation, and religious viewpoint. Citizenship is a privilege, not a rite of passage in order to exercise unalienable Rights. You have to separate interstate commerce from immigration since coming here has NOTHING to do with immigration (constitutionally speaking) UNLESS the foreigner plans on staying here permanently.

The bigger question is why are people like you so consumed with CONTROL? Do you not listen to the voices of reason? To draw you a legal analogy (IF you can understand it) the way I ALMOST lost a court case came when I won a political battle to limit the places a person can smoke. Great. Separate areas for people to eat without breathing cigarette smoke.

Then the city of Atlanta banned "assault weapons." They cited the very bill I helped write. They said that we empowered government to protect our safety with the anti - smoking bill. So, by outlawing so - called assault weapons, they were protecting our safety. The ONLY reason we ended up winning is because Georgia law pre-empted local legislation that is inconsistent with state law.

Now you want to control people who come here and take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. Then you'll bitch when the government passes a law based upon legislation you supported to unconstitutionally control a group of people engaging in otherwise legal activities??? I should teach you the concept of regulation instead of control.

Our schools, jails, prisons and emergency rooms are filled with illegals and there is a cost associated with their presence, which is passed on to the American citizen. Obviously, the U.S. Congress and possibly half of the U.S. are opposed to border security and even having immigration policies. Why am I obligated to take food off of my child's plate in order to subsidize foreigners that have no legal right to be here? How did I incur that debt?

BULLSHIT

The House of Representatives fell to the Democrats. Trump lost support in the Senate. Then some group started a GoFundMe page to raise the money to build the wall. That effort collapsed and the people who started the page had to refund the collected funds. I'd like to put some perspective into what that effort represents:

One of the wallists talking points is that so called "illegals" are getting free health care and bankrupting the hospitals. So, the medical community had a dog in the fight - IF you buy the lie.

According to one source specialists make around $300,000 per year

How Much Do Doctors Make in 2018?

There are over 500,000 specialists in the United States:

Active physicians U.S. number by specialty 2018 | Statistic

Not all of those specialists will come into contact with undocumented foreigners; however, there are emergency hospital personnel, paramedics, LRNs, RPNs, PAs, etc., etc. that do which figure into the over-all picture. But if we use just the specialists only, we arrive at an income of $150 BILLION dollars a year. Again that does not count the 20 or so support personnel behind each specialist. And a GoFundMe page collapses because we cannot find $5 Billion dollars? Simply translated, the wallists are blowing smoke and there is no real concern by those supposedly affected to write a one time check to make their jobs easier and their incomes higher. The wallists do not understand the economics of their own country. Most Americans do NOT support the wall. That number rises daily.

Insofar as schools are concerned, your problem is with the federal government. You want to make government bigger. The reality is, Thomas Jefferson did not want the federal government involved in education.

Did you realize that when Thomas Jefferson penned the words to the Danbury Baptists regarding the separation of church and state, the educational system in the U.S. was the church's bailiwick? Jefferson was essentially promising the people that the government would never usurp that authority... yet that is exactly what happened and you're trying your best to justify it! The irony of it all.

With respect to prisons:

America has more people in prison than any nation on the planet. It is part and parcel of the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Author Ayn Rand wrote:

"There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system … that’s the game…"

You are pushing horseshit. Border security and the wall aren't even remotely related. Foreigners are here because the American people willingly do business with them. The medical industry, with the most to lose, in your standard canard of excuses obviously disagrees with you. They spoke more with silence than I can with a thousand paragraphs.

LOLOL

How much money has that scan artist, Brian Kolfage, collected...?

 

[danielpalos]

Porter, I support immigration. I don't support illegal immigration and the open-border policies of the Democrats. Obviously, you feel differently. I suppose we can leave it there.

We have a Constitution. There is no immigration clause. We have a naturalization and should have no illegal problem simply Because our welfare clause is General and we have a Commerce Clause.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)

You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.

There is a contradiction between your talk of "amalgamation" and gloating that whites are "dying off".

There is no contradiction of what I'm saying to you. You simply are not paying attention. It's really that simple. You are a pawn in a political mind game.

If you don't understand Hegelian Dialectics and if you can't step back and be objective, the only thing you will ever be for the left is a useful idiot (that's their lingo for it BTW.)

You are gloating about me and mine "dying off". It is hard to be objective about that.


But any positive :Amalgamation" should not be based on the elimination of one of the major parts.


This is an assumption on my part. Are you aiming, or saying that our society is aiming for a POSITIVE "amalgamation"?

You would have to reword your entire posting before my dumb ass could understand it.

I'm not gloating that the posterity of the founders (i.e. the white people) are dying off. I've worked for the last few decades trying to warn them of the subtle genocide of whites by non-whites.

They can preach all the horse dung on God's green earth about equality, anti-discrimination themes, etc., but rest assured that most of the non-white voters in the United States see you as a perceived enemy and our system based upon Anglo Saxon laws as impediments to what they want. And so the non-whites wage a cultural war removing the statues, monuments, memorials, and plaques that speak to our history. They bitched about the Confederate flag as a symbol of hate when that was absolute B.S. and once they've run out of the aforementioned items to eliminate, they will want to change the U.S. flag - the one that flew over the White House when the Dred Scott decision went down.

Throughout history, even in the Bible, the mixing of cultures, races, religions, differing political opinions, sexual persuasions etc. has always resulted in the fall of that civilization. In the Bible the people "sought to be one" and that precipitated God destroying Tower of Babel. Same thing happened with the Roman Empire.

Those playing into the hands of the globalists are insuring the demise of the white people. Every couple of years I watch helplessly as people refuse sound counsel and fall by the wayside. I've known many that have been put in prison, jail, flipped by the LEO community... even killed. Each year we accept more liberalism, more Big Brother Government, more tyranny and I get sick of saying I told you so while people like you play into their hands and end up licking the boots of the slave masters - even praising them for selling you into slavery.

So, why are you against the idea of a wall, to prevent people coming in, over and above what is already too many allowed by law?

I've been over this with you how many times now? You looking for the next guy to try and shoot me down? Good luck.

1) The number ONE reason that your question is wrong is that Congress has NO AUTHORITY - NONE WHATSOEVER to prevent people from coming here to take advantage of opportunities willingly offered. That, sir is why your solution is socialist.

BEFORE all this B.S. got started the employer owned the job they created. The man who owned a house or apartment owned his property.

Today the government tries to tell us who we have to hire, rent to, buy from, etc. and you're going right along with the program. When America was America, you got a job by working for someone who would later vouch for you by way of a phone call or U.S. Snail Mail letter. Now, we do "background checks" and take the word of a corrupt government. It used to be you did not have to hire someone based on their color or sexual orientation. You hired who would do the best job

2) Next, information is power. Throwing up a wall and thinking it will keep people out is wishful thinking. In fact, it created the pretext necessary for the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify crap. Let's talk about that:

The same man who gave you the National ID / REAL ID Act - E Verify bill is one and the same who gave you the so - called "Patriot Act." Most recently he has added to his socialist ID schemes with enhanced DNA laws. He also introduced the Build the Wall Act. Many of his socialist solutions have been ruled to be unconstitutional in the courts.

This massive abuse of your Right to Privacy gives the government unfettered access to every aspect of your life, the worst outcome being that the people will never be able to organize a resistance to tyrannical government.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.

Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.

1. 20 million is not an inflated number. Calling me a liar, when it is you spouting number that were weak shit, before they became old, is certainly not called for.

2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal, is not name calling. NOr does it indicate any attempt to dehumanize them. Save the drama for the tourists.

1) You have inflated the numbers and you don't even give your own God credit for what he's claiming... or have his other measures been colossal failures? It cannot be both

2) You have to call people names because you think it helps to give credibility to your argument. Acutally, it says you have NO argument. Voting results in the last two election cycles have you LOSING SUPPORT, not gaining.

1. The standard number used, was based on Census results, ie asking people here illegally to admit on government forms that they were here illegally. That gave a falsely low number. And then years passed, and that number was never adjusted to deal with the constant inflow.

20 million is far more reasonable.



2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal is not calling someone a name. This is a tactic designed by the Left to avoid actual debate on the issues, by manufacturing false outrage.

YOur attempt to dodge real debate, is noted and held against you.

1) You've offered NO evidence of how many people are in this country without papers. Would you like to place a wager on which of us will be closer? The Census is coming up next year, you know. Would you wager - say fifty grand as proof of your belief in that number? I can secure my end of the bet if you can

2) I do not call people "illegal" any damn thing - left or right until they've been arrested, tried in a court of law by a jury of their peers and sentenced. This practice relates to the 14th Amendment's guarantee of "equal protection of the laws" - if those people are "illegal" absent Due Process, then when the government wants to presume that because you are a Trump supporter, white, male... then you might be an enemy combatant / domestic terrorist. And the LEO community won't give two hoots in Hell about Due Process for you either. I'm telling you this from experience. And the dumb shits that went to prison are on the same side of the political fence as you - and they ended up in prison for the same reason you probably will.

It's kind of stupid to risk your entire ideology on points that will cause you to lose. You don't have enough people to keep sacrificing in a war of attrition. You should take the founders admonitions seriously:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine

1. The idea that people in the country illegally, will honestly say so on a government form is wrong. That is the basic flaw of the last number. That has not been updated by people since the last census.


2. This is not a court of law. We know that millions and millions of people are in this country illegally. Lumping them into a group and referring to the group as "illegals" is completely reasonable and not a slur. You are employing the liberal tactic of manufactured offense to deflect from valid points you don't like.

1) Your idiotic notion that governments will tell us the truth in background checks in order to come here is naive. The Census is far more accurate than you give them credit for

2) You have accused me of liberalism about one too many times. Cite your source of proof that what I did is a liberal tactic or your entire criticism of me will have been successfully refuted.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Porter, I support immigration. I don't support illegal immigration and the open-border policies of the Democrats. Obviously, you feel differently. I suppose we can leave it there.

Leave it any place you like. I do not support laws that infringe on my unalienable Rights, regardless of who you think they were intended to control.