Trump Supporters to be Hit Hardest by GOP Healthcare Plan

[Winston]

Oh that is rich. They "earned" it? Then how come they call it "UNEARNED INCOME"? And better, if they "earned" it, then they can pay taxes on it as if they "earned" it. That is fine by me. Now, they pay 24.7%. With an ACA repeal they pay 20.0%. But if they paid taxes on that income like they pay on their EARNED income it would be 39.6%.

Do have even the slightest clue what you are talking about? The only "unearned" income is stolen, like taxes.

Look, if you don't understand the difference between earned and unearned income you are wasting my time. Your spouting of nonsense memes like collecting taxes is equal to stealing only confirms your ignorance.

This "bill" is about 4.7%. A 4.7% that probably nobody on this board has any experience with. A 4.7% that you will not hear talked about on the news. It is like it is a big secret.

Hell, FOX News, today--880 billion dollars in tax cuts, they claim it is a taxcut for the middle class and "working" Americans. What a damn lie. No one making a quarter million dollars a year is in the "middle class". Especially not with a significant amount of "unearned income".

And almost every dollar of the cost comes from Medicaid. The rest is just a bunch of shuffling around costs, from the weak to the powerful. The cost all come out of Medicaid and the savings all go in to the pockets of those making more than a quarter million dollars a year. Morally, it is nothing short of reprehensible. And yeah, Karma really is a bitch. Congress passes this there will be consequences, big consequences.

Simple. Give me an example of unearned income.

Unearned Income

Unearned is it? I'm taking money that I earned and I'm gambling it on a stock. I investigated that company thoroughly and put my earned income at risk. I earned it. Try again.

LOL, nice try but "unearned income" has a very specific definition and I provided it to you. But damn, listen to yourself. You used the word "gamble". Just how fubared is our tax system.

Take a surgeon. Let's say he is world class. He makes a good three hundred thousand a year doing surgery. Maybe he makes another hundred thousand teaching his skill. Our tax system taxes that income, his "earned income" at 39.6%.

Now, doctors in general and surgeons in particular, are often quite illiterate when it comes to finance. But if this surgeon "gambles" in the stock market and makes money he is currently taxed at 24.7%. If this repeal passes, it will be 20.0%.

How screwed up is that? Our tax system is telling this surgeon, and telling every other professional, to stop doing what they do best and start GAMBLING in the stock market. It has been telling them that since Ronald Reagan. It is STUPID. It is beyond STUPID. It makes no sense except for one, just one, area of the economy. The finance industry. And it is exactly that particular industry that has made out like a bandit over the last thirty years.

 

[OKTexas]

The Rs are so dumb they are going fuck up Obamacare even worse then Obama.

So how can you make any judgment on health care when you don't eve know the appropriate uses of "then" and "than"?

 

[OKTexas]

I know the gut reaction is to say they deserve what they get...

Saying that means that 80 year old woman whose life savings gets wiped out in a con "deserves it".

Nobody deserves to be grifted.

Did your health care premiums go down $2500 under maobamacare?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Yes everything is bad...we know. Repealing Obamacare will result in prices going even higher like it did before it was enacted. Funny you forget those days and like to pretend that any increase is the same as every increase.

Prices are higher now than the were in 2008. Repealing 0bama are can only result in a decrease in costs when you consider that those without insurance won't need to be paid for by insurance companies. Not surprising that a left wing nutter like you doesn't understand the free market.

Because fool the prices for health insurance go up every year but as I said you are pretending that the price going up at a lower rate is the same as it going up by ANY rate.

Both are increases and if that's your only tie to same all increases are increases so all increases are the same.

The free market is what we had before and before the increases were way higher on an annual basis. Period.

I agree, prices always go up, repealing Obamacare or not. The prices for Obamacare are projected to skyrocket this year and again the next.

Like I said, the only stupid ass argument you have to is pretend that any increase is the same as all increases. Obamacare prices went up less than the market before. Period.

No fool, we had no free market before. The entire industry is heavily regulated by the government. Simply because big pharma and big insurance lobbied the government to prevent the free market from driving the costs down.

Period.

Nice fantasy land..yeah we should change over to something that doesn't exist anywhere in the world and that pretty fantasy will be the answer to it all.

Except it's easy to be for something that will never happen like saying you're for World peace! Ending Cancer!

You support nothing on the table and in turn play peanut gallery to every solution. Political Professional Pessimist.

Spin spin deflect deflect. You lose, thanks for playing.

You just typed your instructions that sit next to your keyboard

 

[Kosh]

No surprise there.

Will President Trump step up and protect his supporters?

The House Republican effort to overhaul the Affordable Care Act could hit many rural areas particularly hard, according to a new analysis, sharply increasing the cost for some residents buying their own insurance. ...

Of the 100 counties where a 62-year-old making three times the federal poverty level—generally around $36,000—would see the biggest jump in annual costs for a plan under the Republican blueprint, 97 were rural. “It is disproportionately affecting the rural,” said Dianna Welch, an actuary at Oliver Wyman.

The dynamic may present a political challenge for Republicans, because many rural regions strongly supported President Donald Trump. ...​

GOP Health Plan Would Hit Rural Areas Hard

This from the far left drone that voted for and supported Hilary!

Then again the OP did support Obaamcare!

Yet claims they are "Conservative"..

 

[healthmyths]

Do have even the slightest clue what you are talking about? The only "unearned" income is stolen, like taxes.

Look, if you don't understand the difference between earned and unearned income you are wasting my time. Your spouting of nonsense memes like collecting taxes is equal to stealing only confirms your ignorance.

This "bill" is about 4.7%. A 4.7% that probably nobody on this board has any experience with. A 4.7% that you will not hear talked about on the news. It is like it is a big secret.

Hell, FOX News, today--880 billion dollars in tax cuts, they claim it is a taxcut for the middle class and "working" Americans. What a damn lie. No one making a quarter million dollars a year is in the "middle class". Especially not with a significant amount of "unearned income".

And almost every dollar of the cost comes from Medicaid. The rest is just a bunch of shuffling around costs, from the weak to the powerful. The cost all come out of Medicaid and the savings all go in to the pockets of those making more than a quarter million dollars a year. Morally, it is nothing short of reprehensible. And yeah, Karma really is a bitch. Congress passes this there will be consequences, big consequences.

Simple. Give me an example of unearned income.

Unearned Income

Unearned is it? I'm taking money that I earned and I'm gambling it on a stock. I investigated that company thoroughly and put my earned income at risk. I earned it. Try again.

LOL, nice try but "unearned income" has a very specific definition and I provided it to you. But damn, listen to yourself. You used the word "gamble". Just how fubared is our tax system.

Take a surgeon. Let's say he is world class. He makes a good three hundred thousand a year doing surgery. Maybe he makes another hundred thousand teaching his skill. Our tax system taxes that income, his "earned income" at 39.6%.

Now, doctors in general and surgeons in particular, are often quite illiterate when it comes to finance. But if this surgeon "gambles" in the stock market and makes money he is currently taxed at 24.7%. If this repeal passes, it will be 20.0%.

How screwed up is that? Our tax system is telling this surgeon, and telling every other professional, to stop doing what they do best and start GAMBLING in the stock market. It has been telling them that since Ronald Reagan. It is STUPID. It is beyond STUPID. It makes no sense except for one, just one, area of the economy. The finance industry. And it is exactly that particular industry that has made out like a bandit over the last thirty years.

ONE question for you based on the BELOW FACTS: WHAT the hell do you mean start "GAMBLING in the stock market"

• Since 1929 (year-end 1928 -- i.e., before the crash), through 2012, the return was 8.8% (4.6%, plus 4.2%) [note: see The 1929 Stock Market Crash]
• Since end-of-year 1932 (i.e., after the crash): 11.1% (7.0%, plus 4.2%)
• The average annual stock market return for the past twenty-five calendar years (since 1987) was 10.6% (7.9%, plus 2.7%) The market was up over 40% before the October 19, "Black Monday," crash. After a significant recovery, the Dow actually closed up 6% for the year.
• Stock market returns for the last 20 years (since 1992): 9.6% (7.1%, plus 2.4%) In the middle of one of the longest bull markets in history. [see below for additional 20-year periods]
• Returns since 1999 (13 years) -- the dot-com bubble year-end peak: 3.4% (1.0%, plus 2.4%).
• Returns for the last 10 years (since 2002): 7.2% (4.6%, plus 2.6%) Year-end trough after the dot-com bubble. [see below for additional 10-year periods]
• For the last 5 years (since 2007), 2.6% (-0.2%, plus 2.8%) Year-end peak of housing bubble.
• Since 2008 year-end trough after the housing bubble: 13.4% (10.5%, plus 2.9%)
• For 2012 the stock market (Dow/DJIA) total return was 10.1% (7.3% plus 2.9%)

Observations: Average Stock Market Return Since 19xx
WHERE IS THE F...king GAMBLE???

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[Seawytch]

I know the gut reaction is to say they deserve what they get...

Saying that means that 80 year old woman whose life savings gets wiped out in a con "deserves it".

Nobody deserves to be grifted.

Did your health care premiums go down $2500 under maobamacare?

I have employee provided healthcare... plus I'm a military retiree.

Having a lower premium and a shit plan that doesn't cover anything, isn't a step forward.

 

[OKTexas]

I know the gut reaction is to say they deserve what they get...

Saying that means that 80 year old woman whose life savings gets wiped out in a con "deserves it".

Nobody deserves to be grifted.

Did your health care premiums go down $2500 under maobamacare?

I have employee provided healthcare... plus I'm a military retiree.

Having a lower premium and a shit plan that doesn't cover anything, isn't a step forward.

Having an expensive plan with an unfordable deductible, that is mandated, isn't either.

 

[healthmyths]

I know the gut reaction is to say they deserve what they get...

Saying that means that 80 year old woman whose life savings gets wiped out in a con "deserves it".

Nobody deserves to be grifted.

Did your health care premiums go down $2500 under maobamacare?

I have employee provided healthcare... plus I'm a military retiree.

Having a lower premium and a shit plan that doesn't cover anything, isn't a step forward.

that what are you complaining about?
The whole argument revolves around how many UNINSURED Americans. Remember and there never were 46 million!
Want the proof again???

 

[easyt65]

'Trump Supporters to be Hit Hardest by GOP Healthcare Plan'

ALL Americans hit under Obamacare...

 

[NYcarbineer]

'Trump Supporters to be Hit Hardest by GOP Healthcare Plan'

ALL Americans hit under Obamacare...

How was someone who had no health insurance 'hit' when they were covered by expanded Medicaid?

How was someone 'hit' by Obamacare when the subsidy made their insurance much more affordable?

 

[easyt65]

How was someone who had no health insurance 'hit' when they were covered by expanded Medicaid?

THEIR TAX DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AND USED ON THIS MINORITY-SUPPORTED, SOCIALIST AGENDA-DRIVEN, POS THAT WAS RAMMED DOWN THE THROATS OF A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO WERE LIED TO AND WHO OPPOSED ITS PASSAGE!

 

[Seawytch]

I know the gut reaction is to say they deserve what they get...

Saying that means that 80 year old woman whose life savings gets wiped out in a con "deserves it".

Nobody deserves to be grifted.

Did your health care premiums go down $2500 under maobamacare?

I have employee provided healthcare... plus I'm a military retiree.

Having a lower premium and a shit plan that doesn't cover anything, isn't a step forward.

Having an expensive plan with an unfordable deductible, that is mandated, isn't either.

I don't disagree. The Affordable Care Act needs fixes, its creators will tell you that. It needs a public option, but insurance companies were afraid of competition and the legislators they bought and paid for helped them kill the Public Option.

 

[Winston]

How was someone who had no health insurance 'hit' when they were covered by expanded Medicaid?

THEIR TAX DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AND USED ON THIS MINORITY-SUPPORTED, SOCIALIST AGENDA-DRIVEN, POS THAT WAS RAMMED DOWN THE THROATS OF A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO WERE LIED TO AND WHO OPPOSED ITS PASSAGE!

Whose tax dollars? Seriously, did your taxes go up after the ACA?

Better, under this repeal, show me where your taxes will go down.

 

[easyt65]

Whose tax dollars? Seriously, did your taxes go up after the ACA?

Where do you think all those subsidies come from? Where do you think the money for that 'hackers-dream' ACA Web Site come / came from? you think Obama, Pelosi, and all the other politicians who rammed the ACA into law just pulled all of that out of their own pockets?

Oh, you poor snowflake...

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Somehow these Trump dolts will blame Obama and call Ryan a commie.

considering there was nothing wrong with health care before that idiot obama and the democrats screwed it up, yes, I will put the blame where it belongs. on those that caused the problems in the first place. the democrats.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How was someone who had no health insurance 'hit' when they were covered by expanded Medicaid?

THEIR TAX DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AND USED ON THIS MINORITY-SUPPORTED, SOCIALIST AGENDA-DRIVEN, POS THAT WAS RAMMED DOWN THE THROATS OF A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO WERE LIED TO AND WHO OPPOSED ITS PASSAGE!

Whose tax dollars? Seriously, did your taxes go up after the ACA?

Better, under this repeal, show me where your taxes will go down.

Unless some of the RW clowns around here are RICH, the last laugh is on them because for all of the tax benefits gained from kicking lower income Americans off Medicaid or off their subsidies,

those RW'ers won't see any of them.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How was someone who had no health insurance 'hit' when they were covered by expanded Medicaid?

THEIR TAX DOLLARS WERE TAKEN AND USED ON THIS MINORITY-SUPPORTED, SOCIALIST AGENDA-DRIVEN, POS THAT WAS RAMMED DOWN THE THROATS OF A MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO WERE LIED TO AND WHO OPPOSED ITS PASSAGE!

How do you know a majority of Americans opposed it?

 

[Winston]

Whose tax dollars? Seriously, did your taxes go up after the ACA?

Where do you think all those subsidies come from? Where do you think the money for that 'hackers-dream' ACA Web Site come / came from? you think Obama, Pelosi, and all the other politicians who rammed the ACA into law just pulled all of that out of their own pockets?

Oh, you poor snowflake...

Are you not paying attention? Your taxes did not go up because of the ACA. Your taxes will not go down because of the repeal. The money for the subsidies and the expansion of Medicaid came from that 4.7% surtax on investment income of taxpayers making more than $250,000.