Trump speaks to President of Taiwan -- liberal media shits a brick

[Unkotare]

Trump is trying to show his supporters how tough he is but what he doesn't seem to realize is he's creating his foreign policy with his stupid tweets and remarks to the media which is going to hurt him when he tries to negotiate with countries he's insulting. If he continues as he has, he will never get China to agree to trade negotiations.

As the US has come closer to China economically, Chinese relations with North Korea has cooled as have the massive arm shipments to Iran and Syria, as well as military activity in the South China Sea. Cooling relations with the US could easily result in China turning up the heat in these areas.

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


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Not going to happen.

Totally will.


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Not a chance. Watch and learn.

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

 

[Flopper]

Trump is trying to show his supporters how tough he is but what he doesn't seem to realize is he's creating his foreign policy with his stupid tweets and remarks to the media which is going to hurt him when he tries to negotiate with countries he's insulting. If he continues as he has, he will never get China to agree to trade negotiations.

As the US has come closer to China economically, Chinese relations with North Korea has cooled as have the massive arm shipments to Iran and Syria, as well as military activity in the South China Sea. Cooling relations with the US could easily result in China turning up the heat in these areas.

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


They are predatory traders who are fucking US, and using the money to increase their military capability.

Not gonna happen anytime soon. The US and China have become economically co-dependent. China provides cheap goods that enabled income-constrained American consumers to make ends meet, and the US provided the external demand that underpins China's export driven economic strategy.

The fact is the US needs China whether we like it or not.

We can either find other sources of cheap goods, OR discover that we can pay a little more.


China cannot find another America dumb enough to give them 400 billion dollars a year.


We are not co-dependent. They are dependent.

Of course we can always buy from other countries such as Mexico and pay 25% more. Oh, I forgot, Mexico is also going to be on the no buy list.

If you don't think we are dependent on China, take a walk through Walmart, Target, or Best Buy or better yet take a look at the $1.24 trillion in US bills, notes, and bonds held by China. The economies of the US and China are so intertwined that you can not hurt one without hurting the other.

A temporary dip in consumer supplies or a small jump in prices of personal consumer products will not be a major crisis for the US, and if it results is a better Trade situation, would be well worth it.


And the most they could do with our debt is stop buying our Bonds, causing an increase in borrowing costs. A problem, but a minor one.


We are not dependent on China. Not at all.

Forcing American business and consumers to buy higher cost products made in the US will end up costing a lot more jobs than it would protect. The only way to protect and grow American jobs is to out compete the competition, not by government eliminating it.

 

[Correll]

What is a worry: will Trump use America as an aid to his business? With the use of America Trump could become the richest man on earth.

WHat is your worry, is that if he gets to actually DO his policies, your lefty media might not be able to hide the benefits from the people.


And then they might start asking you questions about your policies and positions, instead of just believing you when you cry RACIST.

 

[Correll]

Trump is trying to show his supporters how tough he is but what he doesn't seem to realize is he's creating his foreign policy with his stupid tweets and remarks to the media which is going to hurt him when he tries to negotiate with countries he's insulting. If he continues as he has, he will never get China to agree to trade negotiations.

As the US has come closer to China economically, Chinese relations with North Korea has cooled as have the massive arm shipments to Iran and Syria, as well as military activity in the South China Sea. Cooling relations with the US could easily result in China turning up the heat in these areas.

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


...

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

 

[Correll]

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


...

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

Statistically significant changes in trading trends within two years.

 

[Correll]

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


They are predatory traders who are fucking US, and using the money to increase their military capability.

Not gonna happen anytime soon. The US and China have become economically co-dependent. China provides cheap goods that enabled income-constrained American consumers to make ends meet, and the US provided the external demand that underpins China's export driven economic strategy.

The fact is the US needs China whether we like it or not.

We can either find other sources of cheap goods, OR discover that we can pay a little more.


China cannot find another America dumb enough to give them 400 billion dollars a year.


We are not co-dependent. They are dependent.

Of course we can always buy from other countries such as Mexico and pay 25% more. Oh, I forgot, Mexico is also going to be on the no buy list.

If you don't think we are dependent on China, take a walk through Walmart, Target, or Best Buy or better yet take a look at the $1.24 trillion in US bills, notes, and bonds held by China. The economies of the US and China are so intertwined that you can not hurt one without hurting the other.

A temporary dip in consumer supplies or a small jump in prices of personal consumer products will not be a major crisis for the US, and if it results is a better Trade situation, would be well worth it.


And the most they could do with our debt is stop buying our Bonds, causing an increase in borrowing costs. A problem, but a minor one.


We are not dependent on China. Not at all.

Forcing American business and consumers to buy higher cost products made in the US will end up costing a lot more jobs than it would protect. The only way to protect and grow American jobs is to out compete the competition, not by government eliminating it.

That's been the plan for the last 50 years. Hasn't worked for the last 50, I see no reason to expect it to start anytime soon.


We have been setting new records for failing to compete nearly every year for decades.

 

[Unkotare]

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

Statistically significant changes in trading trends within two years.

hedging already,as expected.

You know you're full of shit.

 

[TemplarKormac]

 

[JoeB131]

1. The world population is not a "We". We, the Citizens of the United States do not have the same problems as the people of China or Mexico.

Your belief in Universalism is noted. It has no effect on other people. America is real, your opinion on it not withstanding.

Again, the problem is, you think you are special with your pickup truck and your confederate flag, but you are a very tiny man who just got scammed.

2. America's election of Trump says otherwise. We do want to pay an American a higher wage and to deal with the industrial runoff in our air and water.

and you think you can bribe all the big companies with tax breaks, so they only send SOME jobs away, and that's a solution?

Most Americans voted against your Fuhrer... the country saw him for what he was.

 

[JoeB131]

4 billion for one plane? That does sound a bit much.

But... but...but... he should be happy to pay more for one plane to keep Americans at work!

Actually, it's not just one plane, and it's a maintenance contract covering decades, but never mind. Trump didn't understand it, either.

 

[JoeB131]

Iran and Cuba are legitimately recognized countries.

Taiwan is not.

 

[Correll]

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

Statistically significant changes in trading trends within two years.

hedging already,as expected.

You know you're full of shit.

What do you think is a reasonable time frame to expect the President Elect to change the direction of the world economy?

 

[Correll]

1. The world population is not a "We". We, the Citizens of the United States do not have the same problems as the people of China or Mexico.

Your belief in Universalism is noted. It has no effect on other people. America is real, your opinion on it not withstanding.

Again, the problem is, you think you are special with your pickup truck and your confederate flag, but you are a very tiny man who just got scammed.

2. America's election of Trump says otherwise. We do want to pay an American a higher wage and to deal with the industrial runoff in our air and water.

and you think you can bribe all the big companies with tax breaks, so they only send SOME jobs away, and that's a solution?

Most Americans voted against your Fuhrer... the country saw him for what he was.

1. Your response did not address my point at all, it was just a personal attack. Thus your post is invalid and my point stands. The world population is not a "We". We, the Citizens of the United States do not have the same problems as the people of China or Mexico.


2. NOpe. I think the "bribe" was what he could do at this point in time, and that once he takes office that his actual trade policy will be based on different methods. But that he has signaled his seriousness about his goal, ie keeping US jobs here, or bringing them back.

3. Your Godwin is noted. Your post is invalid.

 

[Unkotare]

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

Statistically significant changes in trading trends within two years.

hedging already,as expected.

You know you're full of shit.

What do you think is a reasonable time frame to expect the President Elect to change the direction of the world economy?

You said, "move away." Want to change your prediction now that you've had time to think about how stupid it was?

 

[Roudy]

THe US needs to move away from China economically.


...

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

Trump knows what buttons to push to get the Chinese to cooperate. They are much more dependent on the US than the US is on them. He will negotiate from a position of strength, it's the only way to get results.

 

[Flopper]

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

Trump knows what buttons to push to get the Chinese to cooperate. They are much more dependent on the US than the US is on them. He will negotiate from a position of strength, it's the only way to get results.

There is no way to tell whether Trump's actions just reflect his incompetence or signal a new direction in US foreign policy.

No trade negotiations in China takes place without the support of the Chinese Communist Party. Trump's break with a 40 year protocol in an unofficial recognition of Taiwan is a shot across the bow. Trump is thinking trade negotiations. The Communist Party will be thinking military action.

China regards Taiwan as a breakaway province that should one day be reunified with the mainland. If as president, Trump continues to provoke China with recognition of the ROC, China will respond probably with a military expansion in the South China Sea.

Thinking the US holds all the cards in dealing with China is foolish. 82% of China exports go to countries other than the US. Recent trade agreements between China and Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, and the giant Asian trade pact will reduce dependence on the US even further. Trump's promised exit from the TPP may well allow China to supplant the US in that agreement.

 

[Correll]

Totally will. You watch and learn.

Pick a date by which you imagine this to happen. When that date comes and goes and we haven't ' moved away economically,' you can come crawling back here on your belly and beg to be forgiven.

Statistically significant changes in trading trends within two years.

hedging already,as expected.

You know you're full of shit.

What do you think is a reasonable time frame to expect the President Elect to change the direction of the world economy?

You said, "move away." Want to change your prediction now that you've had time to think about how stupid it was?

I have no idea what you are talking about. YOu asked for a time limit. I gave you one.

 

[Correll]

Not going to happen.

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

Trump knows what buttons to push to get the Chinese to cooperate. They are much more dependent on the US than the US is on them. He will negotiate from a position of strength, it's the only way to get results.

Agreed.

 

[Correll]

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

Trump knows what buttons to push to get the Chinese to cooperate. They are much more dependent on the US than the US is on them. He will negotiate from a position of strength, it's the only way to get results.

There is no way to tell whether Trump's actions just reflect his incompetence or signal a new direction in US foreign policy.

No trade negotiations in China takes place without the support of the Chinese Communist Party. Trump's break with a 40 year protocol in an unofficial recognition of Taiwan is a shot across the bow. Trump is thinking trade negotiations. The Communist Party will be thinking military action.

China regards Taiwan as a breakaway province that should one day be reunified with the mainland. If as president, Trump continues to provoke China with recognition of the ROC, China will respond probably with a military expansion in the South China Sea.

Thinking the US holds all the cards in dealing with China is foolish. 82% of China exports go to countries other than the US. Recent trade agreements between China and Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, and the giant Asian trade pact will reduce dependence on the US even further. Trump's promised exit from the TPP may well allow China to supplant the US in that agreement.

If the Chinese are that much of a loose cannon, then any action on our part is doomed to get an vast over reaction.

IMO, they understand what he is doing, ie signally that he is NOT going to play by their rules, and that he is going to be very aggressive in trade negotiations.


If Chine doesn't need that 400 billion a year, then they should be very much willing to change the trade to be more equal.

 

[Unkotare]

Totally will.


....

Not a chance. Watch and learn.

US won't move away, but it will clarify its relationship so that it isn't so one sided, and put China and N. Korea's aggressive behavior on notice.

That assumes reasonable and good faith behavior from China. I'm not sure they are capable of that. They are deeply invested, financially and emotionally, in the status quo.

Trump knows what buttons to push to get the Chinese to cooperate. They are much more dependent on the US than the US is on them. He will negotiate from a position of strength, it's the only way to get results.

There is no way to tell whether Trump's actions just reflect his incompetence or signal a new direction in US foreign policy.

No trade negotiations in China takes place without the support of the Chinese Communist Party. Trump's break with a 40 year protocol in an unofficial recognition of Taiwan is a shot across the bow. Trump is thinking trade negotiations. The Communist Party will be thinking military action.

China regards Taiwan as a breakaway province that should one day be reunified with the mainland. If as president, Trump continues to provoke China with recognition of the ROC, China will respond probably with a military expansion in the South China Sea.

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That's going to happen in the next decade either way.