Trump On A Roll!: US Debt Decreases More Than $60 Billion Since Inauguration...

[Dschrute3]

Uh yeah, you've been boasting about being so dang smaaat. We get it. So I would think you would know by now that Barack Obama isn't the President. Donald Trump is the current US President. Deal with it kid.

You didn't answer the question.....again....


are you some kind of pussy, DirtShute?

Ya gotta quit your whining kid. Barack Obama's gone. Donald Trump is the man now. The Debt decreased $60 Billion on his watch. He gets the credit. Sorry bout that. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Can anyone explain the delayed reaction, why the debt waited until Obama was chooming full-time and out of office before it started to decline?

Anyone?

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

 

[Darkwind]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Darkwind]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

Where did Drudge get these numbers?

The debt clock is currently at 19.941 trillion dollars as of this timestamp.

 

[Dschrute3]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

Where did Drudge get these numbers?

The debt clock is currently at 19.941 trillion dollars as of this timestamp.

There's a link in the OP.

 

[IcebergSlim]

You didn't answer the question.....again....


are you some kind of pussy, DirtShute?

Ya gotta quit your whining kid. Barack Obama's gone. Donald Trump is the man now. The Debt decreased $60 Billion on his watch. He gets the credit. Sorry bout that. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Can anyone explain the delayed reaction, why the debt waited until Obama was chooming full-time and out of office before it started to decline?

Anyone?

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

And I bet you can't explain that either, can you.....

But you've been told to believe it......so.....dammit!

 

[Dschrute3]

Ya gotta quit your whining kid. Barack Obama's gone. Donald Trump is the man now. The Debt decreased $60 Billion on his watch. He gets the credit. Sorry bout that. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Can anyone explain the delayed reaction, why the debt waited until Obama was chooming full-time and out of office before it started to decline?

Anyone?

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

And I bet you can't explain that either, can you.....

But you've been told to believe it......so.....dammit!

$20 Trillion Debt. Thanks a lot Hussein. Y'all Snowflake kids need to get real. Your boy Hussein left Trump a horrific Debt mess. You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own it. Time to be honest adults and own-up.

 

[kiwiman127]

You didn't answer the question.....again....


are you some kind of pussy, DirtShute?

Ya gotta quit your whining kid. Barack Obama's gone. Donald Trump is the man now. The Debt decreased $60 Billion on his watch. He gets the credit. Sorry bout that. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Can anyone explain the delayed reaction, why the debt waited until Obama was chooming full-time and out of office before it started to decline?

Anyone?

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

So, you can't prove me wrong, so you deflect. Enough said.

 

[Dschrute3]

Ya gotta quit your whining kid. Barack Obama's gone. Donald Trump is the man now. The Debt decreased $60 Billion on his watch. He gets the credit. Sorry bout that. You're just gonna have to deal with it.

Can anyone explain the delayed reaction, why the debt waited until Obama was chooming full-time and out of office before it started to decline?

Anyone?

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

So, you can't prove me wrong, so you deflect. Enough said.

You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own the shocking $20 Trillion Debt. Yet you refuse to own-up. You're a dishonest cowardly Snowflake.

 

[kiwiman127]

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

So, you can't prove me wrong, so you deflect. Enough said.

You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own the shocking $20 Trillion Debt. Yet you refuse to own-up. You're a dishonest cowardly Snowflake.

Pretty much assuming, aren't you?
I didn't vote for Obama, ever.
The last major party candidate I ever voted for was George W in 2000. Since that time, based on the poor quality of presidential candidates that both parties have given us, I have voted third party. I am also (and I have posted about this often), I have become anti-GOP/Dem parties. They are both non-productive, seem to love polarization and neither represent Main Street America.
So, fuck off. You are truly an easily to manipulate goose-stepper. Thus, your ignorance.

 

[IcebergSlim]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
​

Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
​

I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

​

 

[IcebergSlim]

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

So, you can't prove me wrong, so you deflect. Enough said.

You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own the shocking $20 Trillion Debt. Yet you refuse to own-up. You're a dishonest cowardly Snowflake.

No...Trump "owns" it now.....

 

[IcebergSlim]

There was no legislation or EO that dropped that $60 billion. That means neither Trump or the new congress had anything to with the $60 billion, that is FACT. It was the Obama budget, period. It's simple 8th Government, you did graduate from Middle School, right?

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

And I bet you can't explain that either, can you.....

But you've been told to believe it......so.....dammit!

$20 Trillion Debt. Thanks a lot Hussein. Y'all Snowflake kids need to get real. Your boy Hussein left Trump a horrific Debt mess. You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own it. Time to be honest adults and own-up.

Dirtshute,

Why don't you just link us directly to whomever told you to think that?

 

[Dschrute3]

Aw, hatas gon hate.

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

And I bet you can't explain that either, can you.....

But you've been told to believe it......so.....dammit!

$20 Trillion Debt. Thanks a lot Hussein. Y'all Snowflake kids need to get real. Your boy Hussein left Trump a horrific Debt mess. You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own it. Time to be honest adults and own-up.

Dirtshute,

Why don't you just link us directly to whomever told you to think that?

Ah, you Hopey Changey-Bots refuse to own your boy's shocking $20 Trillion Debt. Yet you're hatin on Trump over Debt. You're disingenuous cowards. Period, end of story.

 

[Darkwind]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
​

Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
​

I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

​

I'm not the imbecile. You may be one, however.

It is clear from the wording and misleading comparisons that these 'economists' have something of an agenda. To determine what that is, we'd have to look at what they stand to gain by promoting all of these false equivalencies.

They do themselves no favors when they try to hide the poor reasoning for justification in misleading and misdirecting people.

That is why when we are lied to, trust is almost never returned.

I can no longer trust you to provide an honest account of what you believe because you are willing to allow yourself to be duped so easily.

I happen to agree that Trump had no hand in this alleged 'reduction in debt', but that does not mean I'm going to fall for the BS of ideologically driven hacks who try to pass themselves off as economists.

 

[IcebergSlim]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
​

Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
​

I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

​

I'm not the imbecile. You may be one, however.

It is clear from the wording and misleading comparisons that these 'economists' have something of an agenda. To determine what that is, we'd have to look at what they stand to gain by promoting all of these false equivalencies.

They do themselves no favors when they try to hide the poor reasoning for justification in misleading and misdirecting people.

That is why when we are lied to, trust is almost never returned.

I can no longer trust you to provide an honest account of what you believe because you are willing to allow yourself to be duped so easily.

I happen to agree that Trump had no hand in this alleged 'reduction in debt', but that does not mean I'm going to fall for the BS of ideologically driven hacks who try to pass themselves off as economists.

You haven't even looked, have you?

You have no idea who these economists polled by the Booth School at the U of Chicago are.........CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINK.....they are all identified.

No one is distorting anything. You just have no idea what you are bleating about, and what's worse, you lack the industry to learn......you are not only a moron, but an intellectually indolent one.....your idiocy may be entirely self inflicted.

 

[IcebergSlim]

At least I know how America works, you on the other hand, are very, very ignorant.
Tell you what, prove me wrong.
I'll make a bet with you. Prove me wrong and I'll leave USMB forever. If you can't, you leave USMB forever.
The ball is in your court. Want to go for it?

$20 Trillion Debt. That's the horrific debacle Trump inherited from your boy Hussein. So get real, kid.

And I bet you can't explain that either, can you.....

But you've been told to believe it......so.....dammit!

$20 Trillion Debt. Thanks a lot Hussein. Y'all Snowflake kids need to get real. Your boy Hussein left Trump a horrific Debt mess. You and your 'Hopey Changey' dunce own it. Time to be honest adults and own-up.

Dirtshute,

Why don't you just link us directly to whomever told you to think that?

Ah, you Hopey Changey-Bots refuse to own your boy's shocking $20 Trillion Debt. Yet you're hatin on Trump over Debt. You're disingenuous cowards. Period, end of story.

He's no longer the POTUS....that would be Trump....who by your own "definition" OWNS the debt now.....

consider not saying stupid shit you will wind up having to pick out of your teeth later.

 

[Darkwind]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

Where did Drudge get these numbers?

The debt clock is currently at 19.941 trillion dollars as of this timestamp.

There's a link in the OP.

Okay, so I don't see a reduction in the Public debt, and what they are talking about is the Intragovernmental holdings. It appears that there was an initial reduction of 8 billion, and though I didn't do all the numbers, it looks as if the number reclaimed where it started within two days.

So I'm not sure where they claim their 68 billion dollars when it was actually 8 billion.

The chart is woefully lacking in details, specifically, how was this achieved?

 

[Darkwind]

More great news for America. Not so great news for Democrat Trump-Haters.

Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration

On January 20th, the day of the Trump Inauguration, the US Debt stood at $19,947 billion. On March 8th, more than a month later, the US Debt load stood at $19,879 billion. Trump has cut the US Debt burden by $68 billion and 0.3% in since his inauguration!

By comparison, under President Obama, the US Debt burden increased by more than $320 billion after his inauguration through March 8th 2009. Obama increased the US Debt by 3.1% during this time period and signed the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion. Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency and set records for highest deficits and the largest debt increase by any President ever...

More:
Amazing: US Debt Decreased by More Than $60 Billion Since Trump Inauguration
DRUDGE REPORT 2017®

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
​

Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
​

I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

​

I'm not the imbecile. You may be one, however.

It is clear from the wording and misleading comparisons that these 'economists' have something of an agenda. To determine what that is, we'd have to look at what they stand to gain by promoting all of these false equivalencies.

They do themselves no favors when they try to hide the poor reasoning for justification in misleading and misdirecting people.

That is why when we are lied to, trust is almost never returned.

I can no longer trust you to provide an honest account of what you believe because you are willing to allow yourself to be duped so easily.

I happen to agree that Trump had no hand in this alleged 'reduction in debt', but that does not mean I'm going to fall for the BS of ideologically driven hacks who try to pass themselves off as economists.

You haven't even looked, have you?

You have no idea who these economists polled by the Booth School at the U of Chicago are.........CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINK.....they are all identified.

No one is distorting anything. You just have no idea what you are bleating about, and what's worse, you lack the industry to learn......you are not only a moron, but an intellectually indolent one.....your idiocy may be entirely self inflicted.

You've proven your dishonesty. Go away gnat. I have actual things to discuss.

 

[IcebergSlim]

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
​

Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
​

I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
​

I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

​

I'm not the imbecile. You may be one, however.

It is clear from the wording and misleading comparisons that these 'economists' have something of an agenda. To determine what that is, we'd have to look at what they stand to gain by promoting all of these false equivalencies.

They do themselves no favors when they try to hide the poor reasoning for justification in misleading and misdirecting people.

That is why when we are lied to, trust is almost never returned.

I can no longer trust you to provide an honest account of what you believe because you are willing to allow yourself to be duped so easily.

I happen to agree that Trump had no hand in this alleged 'reduction in debt', but that does not mean I'm going to fall for the BS of ideologically driven hacks who try to pass themselves off as economists.

You haven't even looked, have you?

You have no idea who these economists polled by the Booth School at the U of Chicago are.........CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINK.....they are all identified.

No one is distorting anything. You just have no idea what you are bleating about, and what's worse, you lack the industry to learn......you are not only a moron, but an intellectually indolent one.....your idiocy may be entirely self inflicted.

You've proven your dishonesty. Go away gnat. I have actual things to discuss.

That's the thanks I get?

Now please stop lying about my unimpeachable integrity......

 

[Dschrute3]

the trillion dollar ‘Stimulus’ bill which is widely considered a colossal failure and waste of US tax dollars as well. ​

by whom?

Let’s start with Obama’s stimulus. The standard Republican talking point is that it failed, meaning it didn’t reduce unemployment. Yet in a survey of leading economists conducted by the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business, 92 percent agreed that the stimulus succeeded in reducing the jobless rate. On the harder question of whether the benefit exceeded the cost, more than half thought it did, one in three was uncertain, and fewer than one in six disagreed.

The U.S. Economic Policy Debate Is a Sham

The real economy also responded to the massive stimulus but remained heavily dependent on it. In the United States, growth during the second half of 2009 probably averaged about 3 percent. Absent temporary fiscal stimulus and inventory rebuilding, which taken together added about 4 percentage points to U.S. growth, the economy would have contracted at about a 1 percent annual rate during the second half of 2009.

The Year Ahead

These are the opinions of ECONOMISTS.....what does Hoft do for a living? Shears sheep from the looks of it..

The failed ‘Stimulus’ did not kick in till later​

This is why Hoft is a fucking imbecile....if it "failed" then what "kicked in"?

in Obama’s first year leading to Obama’s first year deficit of $1.4 trillion.
​

Please pass the word to all your fellow morons...FY2009 began Oct 1, 2008.....DO YOU THINK YOU PEOPLE CAN REMEMBER THIS?

Overall Obama doubled the US Debt during his Presidency
​

Uh....no.....the Debt doubled, but the vast bulk of that increase is the Legacy of Supply Side Idiocy, Part Deux....It is something economists call "Structural Deficit"...They wouldn't have had reason to cover it in your Home Ec courses...

and set records for highest deficits
​

No....the highest deficit was that of FY 2009.....do you remember what you were told a few seconds ago about who submitted the WH budget proposal for FY 2009?

and the largest debt increase by any President ever...
​

EVERY president establishes that record.......nominally....

on a RELATIVE basis, Reagan's TRIPLING remains the outlier....

Please take note of what is being compared in your little example.

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

Do you realize that they are two separate things? The rate is the change from the base. The Unemployed is an actual head count.

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.

Now, Trump is in no way responsible for a reduction of anything just yet as he hasn't been responsible for any budget and very little in the way of spending (almost all of which has been predetermined by the previous administration).

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward. It currently is climbing from 19.9 Trillion.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Look, I'm gonna cut you a huge solid....

It's quite clear that you picture yourself some kind of Arbiter of Reason, or American Centrist. Allow me to disabuse you of that conceit.

You are an imbecile.....

The Reduction in Unemployment vs The Reduction in unemployment RATE!

The Unemployed is an actual head count.
​

Let me first point out that you are bitching about the words of my source - an economist - describing in a mass media forum the result of a specific poll (to which he links).

The "substance" of your complaint is that "Unemployment" is a nominal concept, while "Unemployment Rate" is relative. This kind of thing might earn you a pat on your flat head in grade school, but in the REAL WORLD, EVERYONE knows that BLS doesn't track "Nominal Unemployed" in a discreet fashion. (I could go into great detail about why they are likely to refrain from doing so, but you aren't equipped to understand.)

When denizens of the REAL WORLD talk about "Unemployment" in any MEASURABLE fashion, they are, in fact, referring to the Unemployment Rate....

But that this was the limit of the idiocy you managed to cram into one post.....

A careful reading of the rest of what you posted shows similar misdirecting of information for the purpose of promoting an ideology over truth.
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Even granting the false distinction you labor, how does this "misdirect"?

BLS DOES track Nominal EMployment......now, disregarding (for the nonce) new entrants into the labor force, what MUST happen to Nominal Unemployment if Nominal Employment rises?

Further, if you believe that the signal from U3 diverged from the signal of the non-existent Nominal Unemployment number, can you cite, oh.....let's pick private economists like IHS Global Insight, Macroeconomic Advisers, and Moody's Analytics......add the non-partisan CBO, on the subject of the effect of Stimulus on Employment (given that we know it is the Complement of Unemployment)?

I understand that it has been rough so far, but I'm not quite done yet...but first, as an aside

Your little factless diatribe also ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
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Do you understand what a fact is? How about a citation?

Now let me show you "factless".....

ignores the massive amounts of stimulus that went to crony's as payback for political favors.
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I ignore it with good reason.....It's reich wing media bullshit....only an idiot would buy it....

wait.....this is awkward....


Maybe not..

I'm not even sure I believe there has been a reduction in the debt. The debt clock, as far as I know, hasn't once in the past 40 years, gone backward.
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I'll skip all the stuff in this that screams "Irredeemable Moron" in favor of informing you that

a) You can get monthly treasury reports which allow you to find any month's contribution to the debt

b) had you clicked on the link provided, you would see that it offers a DAILY debt calculation

c) only to a credulous douche is this even newsworthy.

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I'm not the imbecile. You may be one, however.

It is clear from the wording and misleading comparisons that these 'economists' have something of an agenda. To determine what that is, we'd have to look at what they stand to gain by promoting all of these false equivalencies.

They do themselves no favors when they try to hide the poor reasoning for justification in misleading and misdirecting people.

That is why when we are lied to, trust is almost never returned.

I can no longer trust you to provide an honest account of what you believe because you are willing to allow yourself to be duped so easily.

I happen to agree that Trump had no hand in this alleged 'reduction in debt', but that does not mean I'm going to fall for the BS of ideologically driven hacks who try to pass themselves off as economists.

You haven't even looked, have you?

You have no idea who these economists polled by the Booth School at the U of Chicago are.........CLICK ON THE FUCKING LINK.....they are all identified.

No one is distorting anything. You just have no idea what you are bleating about, and what's worse, you lack the industry to learn......you are not only a moron, but an intellectually indolent one.....your idiocy may be entirely self inflicted.

You've proven your dishonesty. Go away gnat. I have actual things to discuss.

He or she is a rabid Hopey Changey-Bot who had no problem with Obama running up a devastating $20 Trillion Debt. Just an average disingenuous hypocrite. Nothing more, nothing less.