Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy

[fanger]

[ Just exactly does one Muslim non Arab country have to do with voting.....anything for the Palestinians......and Jerusalem? ]

Iran votes to declare Jerusalem ‘everlasting capital of Palestine’

The same way a non Arab/jew American president does

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The United Nations considers East Jerusalem to be occupied Palestinian territory.[26][27] It envisions Jerusalem eventually becoming the capital of two states, Israel and Palestine.[28]

United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II), passed on 29 November 1947, provided for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem: "The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations."[29] The resolution received the consent of the Jewish leadership in Palestine, but it was rejected by the Arabs.[30] This position was restated in the wake of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War in UN General Assembly Resolution 303(IV) of 1949. According to a 1979 report prepared for and under the guidance of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, it would appear that the United Nations has maintained the principle that the legal status of Jerusalem is that of a corpus separatum.[31]

The United Nations General Assembly does not recognize Israel's proclamation of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, which is, for example, reflected in the wording of General Assembly Resolution 63/30 of 2009 which states that "any actions taken by Israel, the occupying Power, to impose its laws, jurisdiction and administration on the Holy City of Jerusalem are illegal and therefore null and void and have no validity whatsoever, and calls upon Israel to cease all such illegal and unilateral measures."[32]

Although the General Assembly cannot pass legally binding resolutions over international issues, the United Nations Security Council, which has the authority to do so, has passed a total of six Security Council resolutions on Israel on the matter, including UNSC resolution 478 which affirmed that the enactment of the 1980 BasicJerusalem Law declaring unified Jerusalem as Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital, was a violation of international law. The resolution advised member states to withdraw their diplomatic representation from the city. The Security Council, as well as the UN in general, has consistently affirmed the position that East Jerusalem isoccupied territory subject to the provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention. The International Court of Justice in its 2004 Advisory opinion on the "Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" described East Jerusalem as "occupied Palestinian territory".[27]
Positions on Jerusalem - Wikipedia

United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II), passed on 29 November 1947, provided for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem:

Yeah, the Arabs really screwed themselves, didn't they?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

[ Just exactly does one Muslim non Arab country have to do with voting.....anything for the Palestinians......and Jerusalem? ]

Iran votes to declare Jerusalem ‘everlasting capital of Palestine’

The same way a non Arab/jew American president does

If you're talking about Trump, he just said that he would move the American Embassy to Jerusalem.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ Toddsterpatriot, et al,

United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II), passed on 29 November 1947, provided for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem:
Yeah, the Arabs really screwed themselves, didn't they?

(COMMENT)

Yeah, this is strange. is it not...

The Arab Higher Committee sent a telegraph to the Secretary-General on 19 January (1948):

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”
See Paragraph 3d, First Monthly Progress Report UN Palestine Commission, A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948.​

So, the Arab Palestinians have some gull trying to complain that Partition Plan [A/RES/181 (II)] was not accepted by, given that it was officially rejected by the Arabs. Then, the Arab Palestinians, in the Palestinian Declaration of Independence A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988, stated that:

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

And again, in Letter dated 25 March 1999 (A/53/879 S/1999/334) from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General, stated the following:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

THEN, in the 1995 Oslo II Accords, the Palestinian Authority recognized that Israel controlled Jerusalem.

The entire International Community waffles back-n-forth on this issue.

The concept of 'Corpus Separatum' of Jerusalem comes from the non-binding 1947 Partition Agreement. It seems that it is inconvenient to remember that the entire Arab League and greater Arab Community took the position that it was invalid. The Arab League trounced all over the recommendations in the Partition Plan in order to prevent the accomplishment. Then, after coming out on the short end of the military confrontation --- the Arab side started to complain, as if it were Israels fault, on the missing terms and conditions. This attempt by the Arabs to file complaints on Israel's noncompliance with an agreement which the Arabs declined to be a party to, is a strategy they continue to play over and over again. They use this strategy to pretend that the Armistice Lines somehow apply to them, for which they are not a party to any of the four agreements. The Green Line on the West Bank side, dissolved in 1995. An Armistice stipulation [Article XII(2)] was that it would only remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Israel and Jordan was achieved in 1995. The Arab Palestinians have no business using the Green Line for any purposes of than as a historical record. The Peace Treaty between Jordan and Israel puts the boundary between the Jordan River and the middle of the Dead Sea.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

There is no use arguing this matter logically or even realistically. It matters little to the world that Jerusalem, for the first time in many centuries, is free for worship to all faiths and peoples. It also matters little that Israel has all of its government offices located in Jerusalem and that Israel as a sovereign nation has long chosen Jerusalem to be its capital. None of this matters because it is not so much that the world wants Jerusalem – after all it was a wasteland and backwater location for many centuries whether under Christian or Moslem rule – it is simply that the world does not want the Jews to have Jerusalem.

There is absolutely no logical explanation for this position but there it is anyway. The terrible virus of anti-Semitism affects all attitudes and positions regarding the state of Israel and certainly regarding Jerusalem. I certainly agree that there are religious difficulties for both the Christian and Moslem worlds regarding the status of Jerusalem as being a Jewish city and the capital of the state of Israel. However just as portions of the Christian clergy and Moslem nations have learned to live with the reality of the existence of the state of Israel – itself a religious difficulty to the theology of these faiths – so too I am confident that they will be able to adjust to the fact that Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish state. Reality eventually affects beliefs and previously held opinions, even those that were once represented as being sacred and immutable.

(full article online)

O! Jerusalem

Jerusalem, for the first time in many centuries, is free for worship to all faiths and peoples.

Israeli bullshit, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Trump is expected to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and move the US embassy
※→ Toddsterpatriot, et al,

United Nations General Assembly resolution 181 (II), passed on 29 November 1947, provided for the full territorial internationalisation of Jerusalem:
Yeah, the Arabs really screwed themselves, didn't they?

(COMMENT)

Yeah, this is strange. is it not...

The Arab Higher Committee sent a telegraph to the Secretary-General on 19 January (1948):

“ARAB HIGHER COMMITTEE IS DETERMINED PERSIST IN REJECTION PARTITION AND IN REFUSAL RECOGNIZE UNO RESOLUTION THIS RESPECT AND ANYTHING DERIVING THEREFROM. FOR THESE REASONS IT IS UNABLE ACCEPT INVITATION”
See Paragraph 3d, First Monthly Progress Report UN Palestine Commission, A/AC.21/7 29 January 1948.​

So, the Arab Palestinians have some gull trying to complain that Partition Plan [A/RES/181 (II)] was not accepted by, given that it was officially rejected by the Arabs. Then, the Arab Palestinians, in the Palestinian Declaration of Independence A/43/827 S/20278 18 November 1988, stated that:

By virtue of the natural, historical and legal right of the Palestinian Arab people to its homeland, Palestine, and of the sacrifices of its succeeding generations in defence of the freedom and independence of that homeland,

Pursuant to the resolutions of the Arab Summit Conferences and on the basis of the international legitimacy embodied in the resolutions of the United Nations since 1947, and

Through the exercise by the Palestinian Arab people of its right to self-determination, political independence and sovereignty over its territory:

The Palestine National Council hereby declares, in the Name of God and on behalf of the Palestinian Arab people, the establishment of the State of Palestine in the land of Palestine with its capital at Jerusalem.​

And again, in Letter dated 25 March 1999 (A/53/879 S/1999/334) from the Permanent Observer of Palestine to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General, stated the following:

For the Palestinian side, and since the strategic decision to forge a peace on the basis of coexistence, resolution 181 (II) has become acceptable. The resolution provides the legal basis for the existence of both the Jewish and the Arab States in Mandated Palestine. According to the resolution, Jerusalem should become a corpus separatum, which the Palestinian side is willing to take into consideration and to reconcile with the Palestinian position that East Jerusalem is part of the Palestinian territory and the capital of the Palestinian State. The Palestinian side adheres to international legitimacy and respects General Assembly resolution 181 (II), as well as Security Council resolution 242 (1967), the implementation of which is the aim of the current Middle East peace process.​

THEN, in the 1995 Oslo II Accords, the Palestinian Authority recognized that Israel controlled Jerusalem.

The entire International Community waffles back-n-forth on this issue.

The concept of 'Corpus Separatum' of Jerusalem comes from the non-binding 1947 Partition Agreement. It seems that it is inconvenient to remember that the entire Arab League and greater Arab Community took the position that it was invalid. The Arab League trounced all over the recommendations in the Partition Plan in order to prevent the accomplishment. Then, after coming out on the short end of the military confrontation --- the Arab side started to complain, as if it were Israels fault, on the missing terms and conditions. This attempt by the Arabs to file complaints on Israel's noncompliance with an agreement which the Arabs declined to be a party to, is a strategy they continue to play over and over again. They use this strategy to pretend that the Armistice Lines somehow apply to them, for which they are not a party to any of the four agreements. The Green Line on the West Bank side, dissolved in 1995. An Armistice stipulation [Article XII(2)] was that it would only remain in force until a peaceful settlement between the Israel and Jordan was achieved in 1995. The Arab Palestinians have no business using the Green Line for any purposes of than as a historical record. The Peace Treaty between Jordan and Israel puts the boundary between the Jordan River and the middle of the Dead Sea.

Most Respectfully,
R

The PLO had been going off the rails since the 1970s.

 

[Sixties Fan]

(satire)


Amid Security Concerns, US To Move Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon Embassies To Jerusalem Also – PreOccupied Territory

 

[Sixties Fan]

1. Article 2(7): “Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.”

President Trump’s decisions to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem were made in accordance with the Jerusalem Embassy Act passed on 24 October 1995 by the Senate 93:5 and the House 374:37.

Trump’s decisions fell squarely within the framework of America’s domestic jurisdiction.Other countries wanting to follow America by locating their Embassies in Jerusalem are perfectly entitled to do so free of UN condemnation or interference.

(full article online)

Daphne Anson: David Singer: UN Vote on Trump’s Jerusalem Decision Reaches New Legal Low

 

[fanger]

1. Article 2(7): “Nothing contained in the present Charter shall authorize the United Nations to intervene in matters which are essentially within the domestic jurisdiction of any state or shall require the Members to submit such matters to settlement under the present Charter; but this principle shall not prejudice the application of enforcement measures under Chapter Vll.”

President Trump’s decisions to recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and move the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem were made in accordance with the Jerusalem Embassy Act passed on 24 October 1995 by the Senate 93:5 and the House 374:37.

Trump’s decisions fell squarely within the framework of America’s domestic jurisdiction.Other countries wanting to follow America by locating their Embassies in Jerusalem are perfectly entitled to do so free of UN condemnation or interference.

(full article online)

Daphne Anson: David Singer: UN Vote on Trump’s Jerusalem Decision Reaches New Legal Low

the part left out reads.

Article 1
The Purposes of the United Nations are:

1. To maintain international peace and security, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of threats to the peace, and for the suppression of acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace, and to bring about by peaceful means, and in conformity with the principles of justice and international law, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a breach of the peace;
2. To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace;
3. To achieve international co-operation in solving international problems of an economic, social, cultural, or humanitarian character, and in promoting and encouraging respect for human rights and for fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language, or religion; and
4. To be a centre for harmonizing the actions of nations in the attainment of these common ends.

Article 2
The Organization and its Members, in pursuit of the Purposes stated in Article 1, shall act in accordance with the following Principles.

1. The Organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.
2. All Members, in order to ensure to all of them the rights and benefits resulting from membership, shall fulfill in good faith the obligations assumed by them in accordance with the present Charter.
3. All Members shall settle their international disputes by peaceful means in such a manner that international peace and security, and justice, are not endangered.
4. All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations.
5. All Members shall give the United Nations every assistance in any action it takes in accordance with the present Charter, and shall refrain from giving assistance to any state against which the United Nations is taking preventive or enforcement action.
6. The Organization shall ensure that states which are not Members of the United Nations act in accordance with these Principles so far as may be necessary for the maintenance of international peace and security. Chapter I

 

[fanger]

Palestinian Rights Committee Statement on Recognition of Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel by the US

UN COMMITTEE ON THE EXERCISE OF THE INALIENABLE RIGHTS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE
The United Nations Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People (CEIRP) was established in 1975 pursuant to General Assembly Resolution 3376, with a mandate to advise the General Assembly on programmes to enable Palestinian people to exercise their inalienable rights, including the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to national independence and sovereignty, and the right to return to their homes and property from which they have been displaced. CEIRP’s mandate has been renewed on an annual basis since, most recently pursuant to General Assembly Resolution 71/20.
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[Sixties Fan]

The differences between the "Jerusalem embassy" demonstrations and the Iranian protests ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

“How is Jerusalem different from Ramallah, really?” al-Kholi asked on the recordings, as he sought to lessen the Holy City’s significance as the future capital of a Palestinian state.

Though he said Cairo would denounce Trump’s declaration, he added that, “After that, this thing will become a reality. Palestinians can’t resist and we don’t want to go to war. We have enough on our plate as you know.”

The Times reported that Egyptian intelligence regularly briefs TV hosts on messages leaders want them to communicate to the public, and the recordings showed the officer’s conversation partners were all very willing to accommodate the official viewpoint.

“Give me orders, sir,” one host reportedly said. “I am at your command.”

Al-Kholi told the presenters that “At the end of the day, later on, Jerusalem won’t be much different from Ramallah. What matters is ending the suffering of the Palestinian people.

“Concessions are a must and if we reach a concession whereby…Ramallah will be the capital of Palestine, to end the war and so no one else dies, then we would go for it.”

(full article online)

Egyptian media instructed to promote acceptance of Jerusalem recognition

 

[fanger]

Trump Denies Netanyahu's Claims That U.S. Embassy Will Move to Jerusalem Within Year
'By the end of the year? We're talking about different scenarios,' says Trump
Trump denies Netanyahu's claims that U.S. embassy will move to Jerusalem within year

 

[Sixties Fan]

The arguments against the US recognizing Jerusalem as capital of Israel included that Jerusalem is a final status issue, that it prejudges the outcome of negotiations, that now is not a good time because the region is so volatile, that it could cause anger and violence.

Don't those arguments apply to declaring Jerusalem as the capital of an entity that supports terror?

(full article online)

Let the denunciations begin! ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[ForeverYoung436]

“How is Jerusalem different from Ramallah, really?” al-Kholi asked on the recordings, as he sought to lessen the Holy City’s significance as the future capital of a Palestinian state.

Though he said Cairo would denounce Trump’s declaration, he added that, “After that, this thing will become a reality. Palestinians can’t resist and we don’t want to go to war. We have enough on our plate as you know.”

The Times reported that Egyptian intelligence regularly briefs TV hosts on messages leaders want them to communicate to the public, and the recordings showed the officer’s conversation partners were all very willing to accommodate the official viewpoint.

“Give me orders, sir,” one host reportedly said. “I am at your command.”

Al-Kholi told the presenters that “At the end of the day, later on, Jerusalem won’t be much different from Ramallah. What matters is ending the suffering of the Palestinian people.

“Concessions are a must and if we reach a concession whereby…Ramallah will be the capital of Palestine, to end the war and so no one else dies, then we would go for it.”

(full article online)

Egyptian media instructed to promote acceptance of Jerusalem recognition

Egypt is very smart in this regard.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Maher Defends Jerusalem Decision: When You Win Wars You Take Land, Palestine A "Coiled Snake"

 

[P F Tinmore]

Jerusalem: The Fatal Blow to Trump's "Ultimate Deal"?

 

[Hollie]