Trump Didn't Care About Corruption

Obama's V.P. coerced Ukraine to award a million dollar payoff no show job to his junkie kid. Americans are still trying to figure out Obama's billion dollar bribe to Iran and Mexicans are suffering from drug cartels who were armed by the Obama administration. Who doesn't care about corruption?
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost

List for us all the nations in the world 100% free of corruption? Yea, I thought so. Now tell me why Obama didn't care about all those corrupt countries? We deal with and have relationships with ALL of them. Quit talking out of both sides of your ass on the one hand saying we're too involved in other countries then tell us in the next sentence that Trump didn't care about corruption in some small country half a world away.

Worry about corruption in your own country first.

Worry about the DNC.
You missed the point all together. The point isn’t that Trump should care about the corruption, it’s that he’s been using that as his excuse for holding the aid. The Dems are making the case that it wasn’t about the corruption it was about the politics. Get it now?

I NEVER miss the point, Bub. In case you didn't know:
  1. Trump was following stated policy he set forth in his 2016 campaign on tightening the budget on foreign countries that they must both show a real need for said aid AND hold up their own end to cut the bleeding from this country and to assure that money we give away actually goes to the need we intended.
  2. We are withholding aid to all kinds of countries all over the world right now and for much worse or better or similar reasons or concerns and for much longer than a few weeks but the only one the democrats are concerned about they cherry picked because they thought it threatened one of their best hopefuls for next year!
  3. Trump has actually INCREASED aid to Ukraine over what they ever got from Obama.
  4. The delay Trump set forth was because the money was to be released at the exact same time as a WHOLE NEW PRESIDENT and government was coming to power in Ukraine which Trump wanted to get to know first to be sure what was happening to that money.
  5. Trump's delay actually caused no real delay in the aid to Ukraine and the money and weapons are still right on track with what they had been expected to be getting to the country in the first place!
  6. No one in Trump's administration nor Ukraine was aware of any special pressure or "deal" to do anything untoward for the aid except seemingly a few democrats here who want Trump impeached and to stop his investigation.
  7. The GOP wants answers to questions surrounding Hunter Biden and other things which cast serious concerns for the United States, but for some reason Adam Schiff is absolutely doing everything in his power to block all of the GOP's requests for deposition from these witnesses! Why, if they have nothing to hide or weren't doing anything criminal?
  8. The Democrats continually lead their witnesses, aid those supporting them while scolding and chastising those not forthcoming with the kind of material they want. ITMT, 75% of their preambles contain not factual derivations of known, stated, recorded events but colorful SUPPOSITIONS assigning insidious and scurrilous INTENT behind Trump's actions like the viewer is stupid, before the evidence is even there first to support it, proving that they are not fact hunting to determine if a crime occurred but in fact fishing to justify an impeachment charge they as yet haven't even close to the case to prove.
  9. It is not only not a "HIGH CRIME" to investigate a political party for corruption, but even less a corruption BY THEM if the party being investigated then conveys a UNILATERAL coup to impeach a president for trying to investigate them to STOP said investigation calling it a "conspiracy theory" while blocking all efforts for the accused to make their defense case.
  10. The argument you are attempting to foist upon me like I was born yesterday is to say that right now, any of the candidates running for nomination for the DNC could go out and do anything, and if the United States were to investigate that activity, you would argue that it was for a "political purposes because they might ultimately end up running against Trump?"
Until the depositions and subpoenas for GOP witnesses are answered, the Dems have NO CASE to claim before the American people that Trump's investigation were purely motivated for "political gain" and not criminal, not only because Biden is by no means certain to even end up the DNC nominee, but because in effect, Schiff is claiming the investigation was a bogus conspiracy theory while trying the hands of the GOP and Trump to argue or prove otherwise! And that will never fly in this country. There will eventually be a grand jury and the GOP's witnesses will be COMPELLED to appear and testify just as Mueller did for so many within Trump's campaign, no matter how loosely they were connected or how unrelated to the Russia investigation his charges were.

Wait for it.
i promise you that anybody that claims they never miss the point is the type of person who often misses the point. With that said I do agree that Impeachment is a bad idea and will not pass the senate. It’s pretty obvious what Trump was trying to do and it was all about politics but it is near impossible to prove, without a doubt, that Trump had no national security concerns
 
Sondland testified that Trump only cared about a public announcement of an investigation...not the investigation itself.

And guess what?

Since this whole thing blew up?

Ukraine has NOT opened an investigation...because they

A. No longer had to in order to get that aid

B. Had nothing to investigate
To be fair, they have a good excuse for that point. They didn’t trust Ukraine so they wanted a public announcement to keep them accountable so they wouldn’t back out after they got the aid. That’s a valid point
 
even if every thing the left said about trump was true, impeaching over a phone call is really petty.

That make sense to you?

It was a lot more than just a "phone call". That phone call EXPOSED the entire corrupt scheme

If your wife catches you on the phone with your girl friend..is she out of line for divorcing you? After all...it's just a "phone call" right?
Name the scheme
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost
Oh.
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost

List for us all the nations in the world 100% free of corruption? Yea, I thought so. Now tell me why Obama didn't care about all those corrupt countries? We deal with and have relationships with ALL of them. Quit talking out of both sides of your ass on the one hand saying we're too involved in other countries then tell us in the next sentence that Trump didn't care about corruption in some small country half a world away.

Worry about corruption in your own country first.

Worry about the DNC.
You missed the point all together. The point isn’t that Trump should care about the corruption, it’s that he’s been using that as his excuse for holding the aid. The Dems are making the case that it wasn’t about the corruption it was about the politics. Get it now?

I NEVER miss the point, Bub. In case you didn't know:
  1. Trump was following stated policy he set forth in his 2016 campaign on tightening the budget on foreign countries that they must both show a real need for said aid AND hold up their own end to cut the bleeding from this country and to assure that money we give away actually goes to the need we intended.
  2. We are withholding aid to all kinds of countries all over the world right now and for much worse or better or similar reasons or concerns and for much longer than a few weeks but the only one the democrats are concerned about they cherry picked because they thought it threatened one of their best hopefuls for next year!
  3. Trump has actually INCREASED aid to Ukraine over what they ever got from Obama.
  4. The delay Trump set forth was because the money was to be released at the exact same time as a WHOLE NEW PRESIDENT and government was coming to power in Ukraine which Trump wanted to get to know first to be sure what was happening to that money.
  5. Trump's delay actually caused no real delay in the aid to Ukraine and the money and weapons are still right on track with what they had been expected to be getting to the country in the first place!
  6. No one in Trump's administration nor Ukraine was aware of any special pressure or "deal" to do anything untoward for the aid except seemingly a few democrats here who want Trump impeached and to stop his investigation.
  7. The GOP wants answers to questions surrounding Hunter Biden and other things which cast serious concerns for the United States, but for some reason Adam Schiff is absolutely doing everything in his power to block all of the GOP's requests for deposition from these witnesses! Why, if they have nothing to hide or weren't doing anything criminal?
  8. The Democrats continually lead their witnesses, aid those supporting them while scolding and chastising those not forthcoming with the kind of material they want. ITMT, 75% of their preambles contain not factual derivations of known, stated, recorded events but colorful SUPPOSITIONS assigning insidious and scurrilous INTENT behind Trump's actions like the viewer is stupid, before the evidence is even there first to support it, proving that they are not fact hunting to determine if a crime occurred but in fact fishing to justify an impeachment charge they as yet haven't even close to the case to prove.
  9. It is not only not a "HIGH CRIME" to investigate a political party for corruption, but even less a corruption BY THEM if the party being investigated then conveys a UNILATERAL coup to impeach a president for trying to investigate them to STOP said investigation calling it a "conspiracy theory" while blocking all efforts for the accused to make their defense case.
  10. The argument you are attempting to foist upon me like I was born yesterday is to say that right now, any of the candidates running for nomination for the DNC could go out and do anything, and if the United States were to investigate that activity, you would argue that it was for a "political purposes because they might ultimately end up running against Trump?"
Until the depositions and subpoenas for GOP witnesses are answered, the Dems have NO CASE to claim before the American people that Trump's investigation were purely motivated for "political gain" and not criminal, not only because Biden is by no means certain to even end up the DNC nominee, but because in effect, Schiff is claiming the investigation was a bogus conspiracy theory while trying the hands of the GOP and Trump to argue or prove otherwise! And that will never fly in this country. There will eventually be a grand jury and the GOP's witnesses will be COMPELLED to appear and testify just as Mueller did for so many within Trump's campaign, no matter how loosely they were connected or how unrelated to the Russia investigation his charges were.

Wait for it.
i promise you that anybody that claims they never miss the point is the type of person who often misses the point. With that said I do agree that Impeachment is a bad idea and will not pass the senate. It’s pretty obvious what Trump was trying to do and it was all about politics but it is near impossible to prove, without a doubt, that Trump had no national security concerns

Apparently not obvious to you. If the DNC, if Biden and others were actively participating in an effort to throw a presidential election in 2016 with the help of a foreign country, that is a BIG CRIME, the very kind of crime they have been trying to pin on Trump for years.

If the VP of the USA was using his weight and position to force or get his son inside a position in a foreign country that he cannot possibly merit any other way for untoward subversive reasons: that is a crime, a BIG CRIME.

Now imagine if a few years later, that former VP now wants to profit by that effort by becoming the next president of the USA! That is a crime! A BIG CRIME, the last kind of person we want in the White House. Opponent or not, this is Trump's first duty of business to investigate and get to the truth about!

WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKING IT IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?

I don't know where you get this bull about "national security concerns," if you are so good at GETTING POINTS then you should be the first person to realize that if the Democrats suspected Trump of using Ukraine to throw Hillary, if the Democrats suspected Trump of forcing Ukraine to put his son inside some strange job in Ukraine due to his weight as POTUS for some untoward reason, THEY WOULD HOUND TRUMP TO THE ENDS OF THE FUCKING EARTH to uncover the truth!

So now, one way or another, Hunter Biden will be brought to task to answer these questions:
  1. What was your background and skills in the gas industry?
  2. Do you speak Ukrainian?
  3. What did you actually do working there?
  4. How did you get your job?
  5. Exactly what made you worth $600,000 a year to the Ukrainian gas company?
  6. How was it that the prosecutor investigating corruption in your company was fired upon your father's visit and you hired?
  7. What exactly was your father's role in all of this?
  8. What was Joe Biden's role in all of this?
For a group of people so bent on turning every stone to investigate the smallest detail of Trump, the Democrats are strangely resistant to even hearing the answers to these questions! Questions now AT THE VERY CENTER of the Trump investigation, and impossible to move forward on a decision whether Trump was doing anything "political" when at the very HEART of his actions is the great unanswered question of whether the Democrats were really trying to throw the Trump election and whether Biden was using his son and Ukraine as part of that ploy.

To do less would be like convicting a man of robbing a store without even first determining whether there was any store there at all in the first place.

But apparently you've missed that point.
 
Wait...so this is all one big Democratic plan to get Pence installed in the Oval Office.

You caught us
 
Wait...so this is all one big Democratic plan to get Pence installed in the Oval Office.

You caught us

You've indicted Pence as part of the Ukrainian Coverup! So how could the Dims ever accept him? Nope, only one person left now suitable to lead the country.


hqdefault.jpg



And imagine all because of a single phone call where Trump simply wanted to be sure of what he was getting into with a new Ukrainian government replacing a badly corrupt one before he released to them as boatload of money and vicious weapons.
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost

Of course Trump doesn't care about corruption in Ukraine.

We have gotten past the original Trump lies of "no quid pro quo!"
And now Republicans are left with "But this wasn't political- Trump was fighting corruption"

But fighting corruption doesn't hold water when its a secret campaign by his private attorney and himself to only require a public announcement of an investigation into his poltical rival.

Not that any Trumpkin will care.

There is literally nothing Trump could do that would lose him his Trumpkins.
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost

List for us all the nations in the world 100% free of corruption? Yea, I thought so. Now tell me why Obama didn't care about all those corrupt countries? We deal with and have relationships with ALL of them. Quit talking out of both sides of your ass on the one hand saying we're too involved in other countries then tell us in the next sentence that Trump didn't care about corruption in some small country half a world away.

Worry about corruption in your own country first.

Worry about the DNC.
You missed the point all together. The point isn’t that Trump should care about the corruption, it’s that he’s been using that as his excuse for holding the aid. The Dems are making the case that it wasn’t about the corruption it was about the politics. Get it now?

I NEVER miss the point, Bub. In case you didn't know:
  1. Trump was following stated policy he set forth in his 2016 campaign on tightening the budget on foreign countries that they must both show a real need for said aid AND hold up their own end to cut the bleeding from this country and to assure that money we give away actually goes to the need we intended.
  2. We are withholding aid to all kinds of countries all over the world right now and for much worse or better or similar reasons or concerns and for much longer than a few weeks but the only one the democrats are concerned about they cherry picked because they thought it threatened one of their best hopefuls for next year!
  3. Trump has actually INCREASED aid to Ukraine over what they ever got from Obama.
  4. The delay Trump set forth was because the money was to be released at the exact same time as a WHOLE NEW PRESIDENT and government was coming to power in Ukraine which Trump wanted to get to know first to be sure what was happening to that money.
  5. Trump's delay actually caused no real delay in the aid to Ukraine and the money and weapons are still right on track with what they had been expected to be getting to the country in the first place!
  6. No one in Trump's administration nor Ukraine was aware of any special pressure or "deal" to do anything untoward for the aid except seemingly a few democrats here who want Trump impeached and to stop his investigation.
  7. The GOP wants answers to questions surrounding Hunter Biden and other things which cast serious concerns for the United States, but for some reason Adam Schiff is absolutely doing everything in his power to block all of the GOP's requests for deposition from these witnesses! Why, if they have nothing to hide or weren't doing anything criminal?
  8. The Democrats continually lead their witnesses, aid those supporting them while scolding and chastising those not forthcoming with the kind of material they want. ITMT, 75% of their preambles contain not factual derivations of known, stated, recorded events but colorful SUPPOSITIONS assigning insidious and scurrilous INTENT behind Trump's actions like the viewer is stupid, before the evidence is even there first to support it, proving that they are not fact hunting to determine if a crime occurred but in fact fishing to justify an impeachment charge they as yet haven't even close to the case to prove.
  9. It is not only not a "HIGH CRIME" to investigate a political party for corruption, but even less a corruption BY THEM if the party being investigated then conveys a UNILATERAL coup to impeach a president for trying to investigate them to STOP said investigation calling it a "conspiracy theory" while blocking all efforts for the accused to make their defense case.
  10. The argument you are attempting to foist upon me like I was born yesterday is to say that right now, any of the candidates running for nomination for the DNC could go out and do anything, and if the United States were to investigate that activity, you would argue that it was for a "political purposes because they might ultimately end up running against Trump?"
Until the depositions and subpoenas for GOP witnesses are answered, the Dems have NO CASE to claim before the American people that Trump's investigation were purely motivated for "political gain" and not criminal, not only because Biden is by no means certain to even end up the DNC nominee, but because in effect, Schiff is claiming the investigation was a bogus conspiracy theory while trying the hands of the GOP and Trump to argue or prove otherwise! And that will never fly in this country. There will eventually be a grand jury and the GOP's witnesses will be COMPELLED to appear and testify just as Mueller did for so many within Trump's campaign, no matter how loosely they were connected or how unrelated to the Russia investigation his charges were.

Wait for it.
i promise you that anybody that claims they never miss the point is the type of person who often misses the point. With that said I do agree that Impeachment is a bad idea and will not pass the senate. It’s pretty obvious what Trump was trying to do and it was all about politics but it is near impossible to prove, without a doubt, that Trump had no national security concerns

Apparently not obvious to you. If the DNC, if Biden and others were actively participating in an effort to throw a presidential election in 2016 with the help of a foreign country, that is a BIG CRIME, the very kind of crime they have been trying to pin on Trump for years.

If the VP of the USA was using his weight and position to force or get his son inside a position in a foreign country that he cannot possibly merit any other way for untoward subversive reasons: that is a crime, a BIG CRIME.

Now imagine if a few years later, that former VP now wants to profit by that effort by becoming the next president of the USA! That is a crime! A BIG CRIME, the last kind of person we want in the White House. Opponent or not, this is Trump's first duty of business to investigate and get to the truth about!

WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKING IT IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?

I don't know where you get this bull about "national security concerns," if you are so good at GETTING POINTS then you should be the first person to realize that if the Democrats suspected Trump of using Ukraine to throw Hillary, if the Democrats suspected Trump of forcing Ukraine to put his son inside some strange job in Ukraine due to his weight as POTUS for some untoward reason, THEY WOULD HOUND TRUMP TO THE ENDS OF THE FUCKING EARTH to uncover the truth!

So now, one way or another, Hunter Biden will be brought to task to answer these questions:
  1. What was your background and skills in the gas industry?
  2. Do you speak Ukrainian?
  3. What did you actually do working there?
  4. How did you get your job?
  5. Exactly what made you worth $600,000 a year to the Ukrainian gas company?
  6. How was it that the prosecutor investigating corruption in your company was fired upon your father's visit and you hired?
  7. What exactly was your father's role in all of this?
  8. What was Joe Biden's role in all of this?
For a group of people so bent on turning every stone to investigate the smallest detail of Trump, the Democrats are strangely resistant to even hearing the answers to these questions! Questions now AT THE VERY CENTER of the Trump investigation, and impossible to move forward on a decision whether Trump was doing anything "political" when at the very HEART of his actions is the great unanswered question of whether the Democrats were really trying to throw the Trump election and whether Biden was using his son and Ukraine as part of that ploy.

To do less would be like convicting a man of robbing a store without even first determining whether there was any store there at all in the first place.

But apparently you've missed that point.

See, if Trump had asked the FBI to investigate Hunter Biden- rather than a foreign government- those questions would already have been asked.

So now, one way or another, Hunter Biden will be brought to task to answer these questions:

Luckily- I can answer on Hunter's behalf.
  1. What was your background and skills in the gas industry? None
  2. Do you speak Ukrainian? No
  3. What did you actually do working there? Mostly attended meetings and shook hands.
  4. How did you get your job? Burisma called me up and offered me a boatload of money
  5. Exactly what made you worth $600,000 a year to the Ukrainian gas company? Beats the hell out of me- I wasn't going to turn down that oney.
  6. How was it that the prosecutor investigating corruption in your company was fired upon your father's visit and you hired? I think you are confused- I was hired in 2014. My father successfully enacted American foreign policy and got the prosecutor fired in 2016. There is a video of my father bragging about how he got the corrupt prosecutor fired because he was not doing anything to fight corruption. Go Dad!
  7. What exactly was your father's role in all of this? You would have to ask my father.
  8. What was Joe Biden's role in all of this? Joe Biden is my father- see #7
 
There is literally nothing Trump could do that would lose him his Trumpkins.
Then if you had any brains, you'd stop while you were ahead and shut up already with your bullshit spin. The Schiff case is so ridiculously stretched thin and full of lies and feathers beyond all credibility, no one is buying it.

There is ONE THING you could do to change that!

Let the GOP bring forth their witnesses like Hunter Biden and this imaginary whistleblower" to testify and answer the questions. We promise: Trump won't tweet anything bad to hurt their feelings. Since they have nothing to hide and the Dims nothing to cover up, there is nothing they can lose but let Trump be made a bigger liar and fool, right?
 
Gordon Sondland, U.S. ambassador to the European Union, testified on Wednesday that President Donald Trump cared most that Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky publicly announce an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden and the company that employed his son, not that Ukraine actually conduct the probe.

“He had to announce the investigations,” Sondland said during the House impeachment inquiry, referring to Zelensky. “He didn’t actually have to do them, as I understood it.”

All Trump wanted was the public announcement of an investigation so he could use it politically

Impeachment Testimony Reveals How Little Trump Cared About Corruption In Ukraine | HuffPost

List for us all the nations in the world 100% free of corruption? Yea, I thought so. Now tell me why Obama didn't care about all those corrupt countries? We deal with and have relationships with ALL of them. Quit talking out of both sides of your ass on the one hand saying we're too involved in other countries then tell us in the next sentence that Trump didn't care about corruption in some small country half a world away.

Worry about corruption in your own country first.

Worry about the DNC.
You missed the point all together. The point isn’t that Trump should care about the corruption, it’s that he’s been using that as his excuse for holding the aid. The Dems are making the case that it wasn’t about the corruption it was about the politics. Get it now?

I NEVER miss the point, Bub. In case you didn't know:
  1. Trump was following stated policy he set forth in his 2016 campaign on tightening the budget on foreign countries that they must both show a real need for said aid AND hold up their own end to cut the bleeding from this country and to assure that money we give away actually goes to the need we intended.
  2. We are withholding aid to all kinds of countries all over the world right now and for much worse or better or similar reasons or concerns and for much longer than a few weeks but the only one the democrats are concerned about they cherry picked because they thought it threatened one of their best hopefuls for next year!
  3. Trump has actually INCREASED aid to Ukraine over what they ever got from Obama.
  4. The delay Trump set forth was because the money was to be released at the exact same time as a WHOLE NEW PRESIDENT and government was coming to power in Ukraine which Trump wanted to get to know first to be sure what was happening to that money.
  5. Trump's delay actually caused no real delay in the aid to Ukraine and the money and weapons are still right on track with what they had been expected to be getting to the country in the first place!
  6. No one in Trump's administration nor Ukraine was aware of any special pressure or "deal" to do anything untoward for the aid except seemingly a few democrats here who want Trump impeached and to stop his investigation.
  7. The GOP wants answers to questions surrounding Hunter Biden and other things which cast serious concerns for the United States, but for some reason Adam Schiff is absolutely doing everything in his power to block all of the GOP's requests for deposition from these witnesses! Why, if they have nothing to hide or weren't doing anything criminal?
  8. The Democrats continually lead their witnesses, aid those supporting them while scolding and chastising those not forthcoming with the kind of material they want. ITMT, 75% of their preambles contain not factual derivations of known, stated, recorded events but colorful SUPPOSITIONS assigning insidious and scurrilous INTENT behind Trump's actions like the viewer is stupid, before the evidence is even there first to support it, proving that they are not fact hunting to determine if a crime occurred but in fact fishing to justify an impeachment charge they as yet haven't even close to the case to prove.
  9. It is not only not a "HIGH CRIME" to investigate a political party for corruption, but even less a corruption BY THEM if the party being investigated then conveys a UNILATERAL coup to impeach a president for trying to investigate them to STOP said investigation calling it a "conspiracy theory" while blocking all efforts for the accused to make their defense case.
  10. The argument you are attempting to foist upon me like I was born yesterday is to say that right now, any of the candidates running for nomination for the DNC could go out and do anything, and if the United States were to investigate that activity, you would argue that it was for a "political purposes because they might ultimately end up running against Trump?"
Until the depositions and subpoenas for GOP witnesses are answered, the Dems have NO CASE to claim before the American people that Trump's investigation were purely motivated for "political gain" and not criminal, not only because Biden is by no means certain to even end up the DNC nominee, but because in effect, Schiff is claiming the investigation was a bogus conspiracy theory while trying the hands of the GOP and Trump to argue or prove otherwise! And that will never fly in this country. There will eventually be a grand jury and the GOP's witnesses will be COMPELLED to appear and testify just as Mueller did for so many within Trump's campaign, no matter how loosely they were connected or how unrelated to the Russia investigation his charges were.

Wait for it.
i promise you that anybody that claims they never miss the point is the type of person who often misses the point. With that said I do agree that Impeachment is a bad idea and will not pass the senate. It’s pretty obvious what Trump was trying to do and it was all about politics but it is near impossible to prove, without a doubt, that Trump had no national security concerns



Now imagine if a few years later, that former VP now wants to profit by that effort by becoming the next president of the USA! That is a crime! A BIG CRIME, the last kind of person we want in the White House. Opponent or not, this is Trump's first duty of business to investigate and get to the truth about!

WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKING IT IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?.

You have it hilariously turned around.

Democrats are not blocking any investigation of the Biden's.

Nothing is preventing Trump from ordering the FBI and the Justice Department to start investigations today.

Nothing is preventing Trump from filling out the official form asking for Ukraine's assistance in the FBI's investigation into the Bidens.

If the Bidens deserve to be investigated- and Trump has not ordered the FBI to investigate them- then Trump is derilect in his duties.

Now to your question:
WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKING IT IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?

WHY IS TRUMP BLOCKING THE TESTIMONY OF POMPEO AND GIULIANI AND MULVANEY AND PENCE AND PERRY- IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?

CARE TO ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION?

YOU IMPLY THAT BLOCKING AN INVESTIGATION- AS TRUMP IS DOING RIGHT NOW- IS AN ADMISSION OF GUILT.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO TRUMP- YOU WOULD BE RIGHT.

IF TRUMP DID NOTHING WRONG- MULVANEY COULD STRAIGHTEN THAT OUT WITH ONE AFTERNOON OF TESTIMONY.

WHAT IS TRUMP AFRAID HIS LACKEYS WILL SAY UNDER OATH?
 
Let the GOP bring forth their witnesses like Hunter Biden and this imaginary whistleblower" to testify and answer the questions.

I have stated several times- I have no problem with Republicans requesting Biden and the whistleblower testifying- as soon as Trump stops blocking the testimony of his lackeys who actually know what Trump did
Pence
Mulvaney
Pompeo
Giuliani
Perry

Hell- just stop blocking Bolton- apparently Bolton would love to testify if Trump wasn't threatening him.
 
Okay enough with arguing with Trumpkins- easier to teach a pig to dance.

You folks continue to believe in your Orange Messiah- and continue to believe that he tells you nothing but the truth.
 
Okay enough with arguing with Trumpkins- easier to teach a pig to dance.

You folks continue to believe in your Orange Messiah- and continue to believe that he tells you nothing but the truth.


:itsok:

Calm down and take a pill. It will all be over in a year once Trump is reelected and

half your friends are all behind bars for attempting to overthrow the US government.

You know it's true.
 
List for us all the nations in the world 100% free of corruption? Yea, I thought so. Now tell me why Obama didn't care about all those corrupt countries? We deal with and have relationships with ALL of them. Quit talking out of both sides of your ass on the one hand saying we're too involved in other countries then tell us in the next sentence that Trump didn't care about corruption in some small country half a world away.

Worry about corruption in your own country first.

Worry about the DNC.
You missed the point all together. The point isn’t that Trump should care about the corruption, it’s that he’s been using that as his excuse for holding the aid. The Dems are making the case that it wasn’t about the corruption it was about the politics. Get it now?

I NEVER miss the point, Bub. In case you didn't know:
  1. Trump was following stated policy he set forth in his 2016 campaign on tightening the budget on foreign countries that they must both show a real need for said aid AND hold up their own end to cut the bleeding from this country and to assure that money we give away actually goes to the need we intended.
  2. We are withholding aid to all kinds of countries all over the world right now and for much worse or better or similar reasons or concerns and for much longer than a few weeks but the only one the democrats are concerned about they cherry picked because they thought it threatened one of their best hopefuls for next year!
  3. Trump has actually INCREASED aid to Ukraine over what they ever got from Obama.
  4. The delay Trump set forth was because the money was to be released at the exact same time as a WHOLE NEW PRESIDENT and government was coming to power in Ukraine which Trump wanted to get to know first to be sure what was happening to that money.
  5. Trump's delay actually caused no real delay in the aid to Ukraine and the money and weapons are still right on track with what they had been expected to be getting to the country in the first place!
  6. No one in Trump's administration nor Ukraine was aware of any special pressure or "deal" to do anything untoward for the aid except seemingly a few democrats here who want Trump impeached and to stop his investigation.
  7. The GOP wants answers to questions surrounding Hunter Biden and other things which cast serious concerns for the United States, but for some reason Adam Schiff is absolutely doing everything in his power to block all of the GOP's requests for deposition from these witnesses! Why, if they have nothing to hide or weren't doing anything criminal?
  8. The Democrats continually lead their witnesses, aid those supporting them while scolding and chastising those not forthcoming with the kind of material they want. ITMT, 75% of their preambles contain not factual derivations of known, stated, recorded events but colorful SUPPOSITIONS assigning insidious and scurrilous INTENT behind Trump's actions like the viewer is stupid, before the evidence is even there first to support it, proving that they are not fact hunting to determine if a crime occurred but in fact fishing to justify an impeachment charge they as yet haven't even close to the case to prove.
  9. It is not only not a "HIGH CRIME" to investigate a political party for corruption, but even less a corruption BY THEM if the party being investigated then conveys a UNILATERAL coup to impeach a president for trying to investigate them to STOP said investigation calling it a "conspiracy theory" while blocking all efforts for the accused to make their defense case.
  10. The argument you are attempting to foist upon me like I was born yesterday is to say that right now, any of the candidates running for nomination for the DNC could go out and do anything, and if the United States were to investigate that activity, you would argue that it was for a "political purposes because they might ultimately end up running against Trump?"
Until the depositions and subpoenas for GOP witnesses are answered, the Dems have NO CASE to claim before the American people that Trump's investigation were purely motivated for "political gain" and not criminal, not only because Biden is by no means certain to even end up the DNC nominee, but because in effect, Schiff is claiming the investigation was a bogus conspiracy theory while trying the hands of the GOP and Trump to argue or prove otherwise! And that will never fly in this country. There will eventually be a grand jury and the GOP's witnesses will be COMPELLED to appear and testify just as Mueller did for so many within Trump's campaign, no matter how loosely they were connected or how unrelated to the Russia investigation his charges were.

Wait for it.
i promise you that anybody that claims they never miss the point is the type of person who often misses the point. With that said I do agree that Impeachment is a bad idea and will not pass the senate. It’s pretty obvious what Trump was trying to do and it was all about politics but it is near impossible to prove, without a doubt, that Trump had no national security concerns

Apparently not obvious to you. If the DNC, if Biden and others were actively participating in an effort to throw a presidential election in 2016 with the help of a foreign country, that is a BIG CRIME, the very kind of crime they have been trying to pin on Trump for years.

If the VP of the USA was using his weight and position to force or get his son inside a position in a foreign country that he cannot possibly merit any other way for untoward subversive reasons: that is a crime, a BIG CRIME.

Now imagine if a few years later, that former VP now wants to profit by that effort by becoming the next president of the USA! That is a crime! A BIG CRIME, the last kind of person we want in the White House. Opponent or not, this is Trump's first duty of business to investigate and get to the truth about!

WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS BLOCKING IT IF THERE IS NOTHING THERE?

I don't know where you get this bull about "national security concerns," if you are so good at GETTING POINTS then you should be the first person to realize that if the Democrats suspected Trump of using Ukraine to throw Hillary, if the Democrats suspected Trump of forcing Ukraine to put his son inside some strange job in Ukraine due to his weight as POTUS for some untoward reason, THEY WOULD HOUND TRUMP TO THE ENDS OF THE FUCKING EARTH to uncover the truth!

So now, one way or another, Hunter Biden will be brought to task to answer these questions:
  1. What was your background and skills in the gas industry?
  2. Do you speak Ukrainian?
  3. What did you actually do working there?
  4. How did you get your job?
  5. Exactly what made you worth $600,000 a year to the Ukrainian gas company?
  6. How was it that the prosecutor investigating corruption in your company was fired upon your father's visit and you hired?
  7. What exactly was your father's role in all of this?
  8. What was Joe Biden's role in all of this?
For a group of people so bent on turning every stone to investigate the smallest detail of Trump, the Democrats are strangely resistant to even hearing the answers to these questions! Questions now AT THE VERY CENTER of the Trump investigation, and impossible to move forward on a decision whether Trump was doing anything "political" when at the very HEART of his actions is the great unanswered question of whether the Democrats were really trying to throw the Trump election and whether Biden was using his son and Ukraine as part of that ploy.

To do less would be like convicting a man of robbing a store without even first determining whether there was any store there at all in the first place.

But apparently you've missed that point.

See, if Trump had asked the FBI to investigate Hunter Biden- rather than a foreign government- those questions would already have been asked.

So now, one way or another, Hunter Biden will be brought to task to answer these questions:

Luckily- I can answer on Hunter's behalf.
  1. What was your background and skills in the gas industry? None
  2. Do you speak Ukrainian? No
  3. What did you actually do working there? Mostly attended meetings and shook hands.
  4. How did you get your job? Burisma called me up and offered me a boatload of money
  5. Exactly what made you worth $600,000 a year to the Ukrainian gas company? Beats the hell out of me- I wasn't going to turn down that oney.
  6. How was it that the prosecutor investigating corruption in your company was fired upon your father's visit and you hired? I think you are confused- I was hired in 2014. My father successfully enacted American foreign policy and got the prosecutor fired in 2016. There is a video of my father bragging about how he got the corrupt prosecutor fired because he was not doing anything to fight corruption. Go Dad!
  7. What exactly was your father's role in all of this? You would have to ask my father.
  8. What was Joe Biden's role in all of this? Joe Biden is my father- see #7
Well said. You win
 
wait. Someone on a board of a company doesn't meet your criteria?

Well ge...you probably ought to boycott that company then...

Because that's SO unusual huh?

We know that Trump didn't care about corruption. He didn't actually even care about investigations.

He just wanted an investigation announced publicly because it would help him politically

Witnesses have testified to that
 

New Topics

Forum List

Back
Top