Trump Concedes it Was the Russians... Now What?

[Art__Allm]

You assholes have claimed that Russia hacked the election. Now you say it can't be proved either way.
So

Can it be proved that Reptilians did not hack American election?
Who has the obligation to prove something?
The Reptilians?
Or do the people who believe that Reptilians hacked the American elections have the burden of proof?

 

[Art__Allm]

No I've always claimed they hacked the DNC with the purpose of influencing the election in favor of Trump.

Oh, now I get your point. The Russian Bear corrupted the democrats, damaged their brains, and after that it was an easy game to hack their servers and expose the corruption that was brought upon the innocent democrats by this wicked Russian Bear.

The findings of the intelligence agencies concur with me.

It seems that the Russian Bear damaged the brain of some members of the American intelligence agencies, and the Killary-Supporters, too.
They say that somebody with a Russian IP-Address tried to hack a DNC server, but the attempt was not successful, this did not influence anything. The Wiki-Leaks have noting to do with Russia-Located hackers.
But, nevertheless, the Russian Bear interfered the American election, and therefore USA has to declare war on Russia.

I did at some point question whether voting machines may have been compromised... but that didn't happen and I concede that.

The brain of some people seems to be compromised.
The voting machines are not connected to the Internet, so the Russian Bear had to go into every counting location, manipulate the machines so, that Killary gets more votes, and that was done to help Trump.



Is that logic of Killary-Supporters not a prove that the Russian Bear is waging a psychological war against the DNC and the lying American MSM, compromising their ability to think?

 

[EverCurious]

Human error, including duct tape, hampered recount

Detroit recount observer: Box marked '306' ballots - only had 50 inside - The American Mirror

REVEALED: Michigan Recount Uncovers Serious Voter Fraud in Detroit- VOTES COUNTED UP TO 6 TIMES

Again... why do you keep bringing up the problem with the machines? They knew the machines were malfunctioning and had asked for new machines and they weren't replaced. What part of that do you not understand? As I said all through the recount process, these are the exact reasons we needed them... to find out the problems out there. Why were these leaned towards the Democrats? The machines happened to be broken in an area where mostly people voted Democrat...

"The American Mirror?" Come on... Really? That's the best link you can give?

You're the one who brought up the machines. I come up with 2 different cites to prove my point and you pick out one and question the cite? Use the other one then, they have the exact same information in them.

The one about the box of ballots is from the American Mirror... you got a more reputable source than that?

look it up yourself, there are literally dozens of cites for it.

Funny doing a search the ones that come up so far are the American Mirror and Info Wars... I'm sorry but that isn't going to cut it.

LOL But the "they're Russians" opinion of the DNC paid security company CrowdStrike are /just fine/ for you?

A company I hear is tied to Ukraine and hostile towards the Russian's no less...

 

[BluesLegend]

Breaking: Democrats threaten to boycott Borscht and chicken Keiv, Putin shakes his head and laughs.

 

[Art__Allm]

You can't PROVE that it did or didn't effect the election... there is absolutely no way to prove otherwise.

Well, you admit that there is no prove that the Russian Bear effected the election, but Russian diplomats were expelled because some people with compromised brains said that the Russian Bear compromised the election, and that USA has to declare war on Russia.

BTW, what about Israel and the Israel Lobby in the USA?
Is there any proof that Israel did not compromise the American elections?
I can see a lot of proof for that, because Israeli citizens own a huge part of American MSM and are in many leading positions in the USA.

Is AIPAC not an entity that was created for the purpose to interfere in American affairs?

Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954) is a former intelligence analyst for the United States government. In 1987, as part of a plea agreement, Pollard pleaded guilty to spying for and providing top-secret classified information to Israel. He was sentenced to life in prison for violations of the Espionage Act.[1]
...
Pollard grew up with what he called a "racial obligation" to Israel..

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia

As we see, an American intelligence analyst was in reality an Israeli spy.
How many Americans have "racial obligations" to a foreign country?
How can we trust such American intelligence analysts, if they are not loyal to America?

Simple question I asked someone in another thread... are you saying that the DNC emails weren't important or damning?

The DNC emails were damaging, because the Democrats were corrupt.
The Democrats tried to fool the American voters, but their corruption was exposed.
Did the Russian Bear corrupt the democrats?
BTW, there is no proof that the Wiki-Leaks have something to do with the hacking attempts of hackers who were located in Russia.

Assange confirmed that, and there is no evidence that can prove the contrary.

 

[Lewdog]

You can't PROVE that it did or didn't effect the election... there is absolutely no way to prove otherwise.

Well, you admit that there is no prove that the Russian Bear effected the election, but Russian diplomats were expelled because some people with compromised brains said that the Russian Bear compromised the election, and that USA has to declare war on Russia.

BTW, what about Israel and the Israel Lobby in the USA?
Is there any prove that Israel did not compromise the American elections?
I can see a lot of prove for that, because Israeli citizens own a huge part of American MSM and are in many leading positions in the USA.

IS AIPAC not an entity that was created to interfere in American affairs?

Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954) is a former intelligence analyst for the United States government. In 1987, as part of a plea agreement, Pollard pleaded guilty to spying for and providing top-secret classified information to Israel. He was sentenced to life in prison for violations of the Espionage Act.[1]
...
Pollard grew up with what he called a "racial obligation" to Israel..

Jonathan Pollard - Wikipedia

As we see, an American intelligence analyst was in reality an Israeli spy.
How many Americans have "racial obligations" to a foreign country?

Simple question I asked someone in another thread... are you saying that the DNC emails weren't important or damning?

The DNC emails were damaging, because the Democrats were corrupt.
The Democrats tried to fool the American voters, but their corruption was exposed.
Did the Russian Bear corrupt the democrats?
BTW, there is no prove that the Wiki-Leaks have something to do with the hacking attempts of hackers who were located in Russia. Assange confirmed that, and there is no evidence that can prove the contrary.

Ok then..so the DNC emails were damaging... so you admit they influenced the election with their release. End of story. Thanks for playing.

 

[EverCurious]

FYI I'm not alone in my questioning of CrowdStrike's analysis that Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear are Russian - McAfee says it's bullshitty too:



I'll also note that CrowdStrike was found to be full o shit on blaming Russia for hacking Ukraine:
Group allegedly behind DNC hack targeted Ukraine, report finds
Ukrainian MoD: CrowdStrike is wrong, Russians did not hack Kiev's artillery -- Sott.net
Ukraine's military denies Russian hack attack


I find it /very/ interesting that there start to be rumors flying around that CrowdStrike is Ukrainian allied (not to mention the Malware they said is responsible claims to be Ukraine) tried to say that Ukraine's military was hacked by the Russians... I mentioned it before, perhaps, just perhaps, Ukraine is trying to frame Russia.

 

[Lewdog]

FYI I'm not alone in my questioning of CrowdStrike's analysis that Fancy Bear and Cozy Bear are Russian - McAfee says it's bullshitty too:



I'll also note that CrowdStrike was found to be full o shit on blaming Russia before:
Group allegedly behind DNC hack targeted Ukraine, report finds
Ukrainian MoD: CrowdStrike is wrong, Russians did not hack Kiev's artillery -- Sott.net
Ukraine's military denies Russian hack attack

I already posted this in another thread... McAfee is pissed at the current intelligence agencies for not hiring him to hack the San Bernardino shooter's iPhone. He is not credible on any of the current matters.

 

[EverCurious]

I edited, please see additional comments.

Also, you are some serious fucking partisan hack dude...
mcafee - Bing

 

[Lewdog]

I edited, please see additional comments.

Also, you are some serious fucking partisan hack dude...
mcafee - Bing

I'm a partisan hack for stating that a guy that said the Federal intelligence agencies were shit because they wouldn't let him hack the San Bernardino's iPhone?

For someone with an IQ over 200... you sure don't have very good reasoning skills.

 

[EverCurious]

McAfee has been a white hacker forever, like since the beginning, if he's laying out his opinion on this, I'm going to listen to him rather than some partisan hack on a political forum.

 

[Lewdog]

McAfee has been a white hacker forever, like since the beginning, if he's laying out his opinion on this, I'm going to listen to him rather than some partisan hack on a political forum.

It's quite ironic that in the same breath that you make a claim that the co-founder of CrowdStrike is biased because of Ukrainian ties, you use a McAfee as a source that has demonstrated a public bias against the intelligence community. Do you understand what you just did?

 

[EverCurious]

Should I point out (perhaps especially in this,) that McAfee is not only one of the most recognized anti-virus software's, but the company also specializes in malware?

I know exactly what I did. I also know malware, and programing, and hacking. I'm a bit more informed than your MSM reporters.

 

[Lewdog]

Should I point out (perhaps especially in this,) that McAfee is not only one of the most recognized anti-virus software's, but the company also specializes in malware?

I know exactly what I did. I also know malware, and programing, and hacking. I'm a bit more informed than your MSM reporters.

You are.... ok.... can you please tell me then, how someone can be considered reputable when they make a decision on a subject without seeing the evidence?

So let me get this straight, you have over a 200 IQ and you are now a hacking, malware, programming specialist?

 

[EverCurious]

LOL You went /there/?!? Really? None of our 17 agencies looked at the DNC rigs that were hacked.

Never claimed to be a specialist, but I was coding viruses and anti-viruses in the late 80s/early 90s and I've been coding ever since. My 26 years of experience in the realm of computer speak tells me you pretty much can't tie a malware to any person nor country - and defiantly not a malware that's available for public download in the dark web underworld. I also know that "political trolls and propaganda TV" does not equate to "probably hacking." I know that Guccifer was undeniably Ukranian, and that Guccifer 2.0 has /repeatedly/ stated that he was also Ukrainian. I know that the Malware claims to be Ukrainian. I know that Mendax has repeatedly said that his source was not Russian, and that it was a DNC leak, specifically that it was a Bernie fan - and I know from personal quite intimate experience how emotionally imbalanced those folks are. I also know that a /professional/ hacker wouldn't be using kiddy script, well known, malware to do hack another government, and I find it real hard to buy that the Russians would do so given that they are some of the best hackers in the world. I know that the gov knew /all/ of this hacking shit, as well as the opinion it was Russia, before Trump was even the GOP nominee. So, to /now/ suddenly make a big deal out of it, and to proclaim that it was all done to help Trump win stinks of partisan bullshit so bad we're going to need to replace the carpet and leave the windows open.

 

[Lewdog]

LOL You went /there/?!? Really? None of our 17 agencies looked at the DNC rigs that were hacked.

Never claimed to be a specialist, but I was coding viruses and anti-viruses in the late 80s/early 90s and I've been coding ever since. My 26 years of experience in the realm of computer speak tells me you pretty much can't tie a malware to any person nor country - and defiantly not a malware that's available for public download in the dark web underworld. I also know that "political trolls and propaganda TV" does not equate to "probably hacking." I know that Guccifer was undeniably Ukranian, and that Guccifer 2.0 has /repeatedly/ stated that he was also Ukrainian. I know that the Malware claims to be Ukrainian. I know that Mendax has repeatedly said that his source was not Russian, and that it was a DNC leak, specifically that it was a Bernie fan - and I know from personal quite intimate experience how emotionally imbalanced those folks are. I also know that a /professional/ hacker wouldn't be using kiddy script, well known, malware to do hack another government, and I find it real hard to buy that the Russians would do so given that they are some of the best hackers in the world. I know that the gov knew /all/ of this hacking shit, as well as the opinion it was Russia, before Trump was even the GOP nominee. So, to /now/ suddenly make a big deal out of it, and to proclaim that it was all done to help Trump win stinks of partisan bullshit so bad we're going to need to replace the carpet and leave the windows open.

All I hear is

You've not seen the evidence... You've not seen how they actually tracked where the malware sent the information back to Russia. The DNC wasn't the only placed hacked, so where Democratic headquarters in various states... and so was Lyndsey Graham, and who knows who else. But you guys just keep victim blaming the DNC, it's pathetic.

I'm sorry but I'm an American that believes in rights. And for rights to work, they have to cover everyone... so even those that are unethical or immoral get rights too. That's what America is based on, as I quoted Ben Franklin in another thread, it's better that 100 criminals go free than to have 1 innocent person suffer. But hey, you all want to blame the DNC for being the victim of the Russian hack... that says a lot about your character.

 

[EverCurious]

What's that you say? All you hear is MSM propaganda? Gotcha.

Nice attempt to smear me as a hater via unrelated and unfounded statements and generalizations. Problem for your little story of my evil is that I'm Synesthetic and don't have the emotions required for that shit. Same reason I'm not a republican, nor a democrat actually.

"Victim blaming" - yea... Podesta is a dumbshit, apparently his security folks were dumbshits too, and I'm sure you don't want to get into how dumbshit careless Clinton was with her private server - because of course then you'd have to admit that back then it wasn't a big deal that anyone could have hacked the SOS's emails. But now, NOW, it's a big fucking deal that they hacked the DNC emails... No partisan shit going on here. ~snorts~

Though since you bring it up, letting criminals go free rather than have an innocent suffer - but that apparently only applies to Dem criminals because you're perfectly fine with condemning the Russian people to harsh sanctions on mere opinions. How very hypocritical of you...

 

[EverCurious]

FYI, they can't track where the malware was sent from, look up virtual IPs and TOR.

 

[Lewdog]

What's that you say? All you hear is MSM propaganda? Gotcha.

Nice attempt to smear me as a hater via unrelated and unfounded statements and generalizations. Problem for your little story of my evil is that I'm Synesthetic and don't have the emotions required for that shit. Same reason I'm not a republican, nor a democrat actually.

"Victim blaming" - yea... Podesta is a dumbshit, apparently his security folks were dumbshits too, and I'm sure you don't want to get into how dumbshit careless Clinton was with her private server - because of course then you'd have to admit that back then it wasn't a big deal that anyone could have hacked the SOS's emails. But now, NOW, it's a big fucking deal that they hacked the DNC emails... No partisan shit going on here. ~snorts~

Though since you bring it up, letting criminals go free rather than have an innocent suffer - but that apparently only applies to Dem criminals because you're perfectly fine with condemning the Russian people to harsh sanctions on mere opinions. How very hypocritical of you...

On mere opinions? Again, when you get a Top Secret clearance and are privy to all the information in the report please let me know. Trump, who absolutely didn't want it to be the Russians has seen the evidence and now admits it was the Russians... but YOU who hasn't seen the evidence thinks you know better... that's some funny shit. I don't care if you don't have emotions or not. That's totally irrelevant. And the only reason people in Russia are suffering? Because of their leader, who they continue to vote into office. I have nothing to do with that, but thanks for playing.

BTW... is your IQ registered with MENSA?

 

[Lewdog]

FYI, they can't track where the malware was sent from, look up virtual IPs and TOR.

They traced where the malware sent the information back to...