Trump Chaos and 2020

[mudwhistle]

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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"Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda" - it's much worse than that. They actively damage the agenda he is supposedly advancing. I think that's part of the reason the Democrats have been so half-assed about defeating him. When it comes to making the Republicans look bad, Democrats have no better friend that Trump. When it comes to turning people against conservative principles, he's their greatest salesman.

I believe Trump's presidency will be a catalyst that basically seals the deal on the US trading in freedom for socialism.

That's been my worry. But his sycophants are gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what he's causing.
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So says the left's sycophant (you) gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what Democrats are causing.

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is bad so we I'm going to vote for something worse. Brilliant ....You sound as bad as the strawman you keep punching.

So you make up something I didn't say, and then accuse me of a straw man.

Good gawd, you people. I know you have to defend him, but at least read what you write before hitting ENTER.
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Exactly what you said....perhaps your partisanship is blinding you.

So you really saw me say that, "exactly".

Wow.

Okay, I believe that you believe that.
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[dblack]

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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"Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda" - it's much worse than that. They actively damage the agenda he is supposedly advancing. I think that's part of the reason the Democrats have been so half-assed about defeating him. When it comes to making the Republicans look bad, Democrats have no better friend that Trump. When it comes to turning people against conservative principles, he's their greatest salesman.

I believe Trump's presidency will be a catalyst that basically seals the deal on the US trading in freedom for socialism.

That's been my worry. But his sycophants are gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what he's causing.
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So says the left's sycophant (you) gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what Democrats are causing.

What are you mumbling about? You're the idiots marching along. I'm trying to wake some of you up. The Democrats are going to convert this country to socialism and Trumpsters are paving the way. We need sane representation for the ideals of freedom and limited government. Not Trump.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Trump is bad so we I'm going to vote for something worse. Brilliant ....You sound as bad as the strawman you keep punching.

So you make up something I didn't say, and then accuse me of a straw man.

Good gawd, you people. I know you have to defend him, but at least read what you write before hitting ENTER.
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Exactly what you said....perhaps your partisanship is blinding you.

So you really saw me say that, "exactly".

Wow.

Okay, I believe that you believe that.
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Yeah wow.....play your word games.......do your righteous posing.....preen .........whatever makes ya feel good voting for a bigger disaster than what you claim Trump is

 

[Mac1958]

Trump is bad so we I'm going to vote for something worse. Brilliant ....You sound as bad as the strawman you keep punching.

So you make up something I didn't say, and then accuse me of a straw man.

Good gawd, you people. I know you have to defend him, but at least read what you write before hitting ENTER.
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Exactly what you said....perhaps your partisanship is blinding you.

So you really saw me say that, "exactly".

Wow.

Okay, I believe that you believe that.
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Yeah wow.....play your word games.......do your righteous posing.....preen .........whatever makes ya feel good voting for a bigger disaster than what you claim Trump is

I told you I believe you.
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[Mac1958]

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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"Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda" - it's much worse than that. They actively damage the agenda he is supposedly advancing. I think that's part of the reason the Democrats have been so half-assed about defeating him. When it comes to making the Republicans look bad, Democrats have no better friend that Trump. When it comes to turning people against conservative principles, he's their greatest salesman.

I believe Trump's presidency will be a catalyst that basically seals the deal on the US trading in freedom for socialism.

That's been my worry. But his sycophants are gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what he's causing.
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So says the left's sycophant (you) gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what Democrats are causing.

What are you mumbling about? You're the idiots marching along. I'm trying to wake some of you up. The Democrats are going to convert this country to socialism and Trumpsters are paving the way. We need sane representation for the ideals of freedom and limited government. Not Trump.

If this happens, the last place they'll look is the mirror. Just like their leader.
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[mudwhistle]

Can't argue with that, but I think your problem will be solved. Trump WILL be impeached-not because he did ANYTHING wrong but because the Democrats and media are going to correct OUR votes in 2016. They have used an inquisition style to set the narrative that the media is driving and the public is swallowing. The senate will have NO choice but to impeach. I hate business as usual politicians like Pence, but maybe we deserve crap like that now. I have a final solution for this if it is between Pence and some crazy dem, I'll stay home. If Trump runs, I'll vote third party.

I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).

Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.

Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and simply immature.
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What is considered presidential?

This is what is presidential according to the left:

• Look good in a suit
• Receive the adoration of the press with grace
• Send armies of lawyers after media critics
• Spy on your political opponents
• Never accept the blame for your mistakes
• Criticize your own country while overseas
• Read from a teleprompter even in a kindergarten
• Never answer questions from the press unless the questions are submitted in advance
• Tell the press which questions are off-limits
• Sit back and allow your political opponents to trash your meetings without saying anything in response

 

[Mac1958]

I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).

Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.

Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and simply immature.
.

What is considered presidential?

This is what is presidential according to the left:

• Look good in a suit
• Receive the adoration of the press with grace
• Send armies of lawyers after media critics
• Spy on your political opponents
• Never accept the blame for your mistakes
• Criticize your own country while overseas
• Read from a teleprompter even in a kindergarten
• Never answer questions from the press unless the questions are submitted in advance
• Tell the press which questions are off-limits
• Sit back and allow your political opponents to trash your meetings without saying anything in response

Sure, okay, that's it.

It's much better that he is the way is.
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[Manonthestreet]

Perhaps Mac could explain how exactly putting any of current Dems in the White House would improve anything based on their stated policies.

 

[Mac1958]

So says the left's sycophant (you) gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what Democrats are causing.

And yet I'm often tussling with the Regressive Lefties here about the damage they're causing. You know that.

This is why I never know what to take seriously here. Maybe you're just kidding. I can't see your face, so I can't tell.

Or maybe you're being serious. Pure group delusion. That's what worries me, and I don't know what I can do about it.
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[Jets]

What did the electorate expect. We have a shock jock reality show host in the WH. This Presidency is his political theater....

 

[Mac1958]

What did the electorate expect. We have a shock jock reality show host in the WH. This Presidency is his political theater....

That's why he didn't win the popular vote. It's a bad enough sign that he came as close as he did. He's a symptom.
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[mudwhistle]

Voting for the best has always been the American way, what has changed us? There will be a green candidate or Libertarian running, and maybe even a Bloomberg-we'll see.

I really do hope so. But what's concerning me here is that there is a million-mile canyon between the two ends right now, and we're not seeing independents jumping in all over the place.

My concern is that they are choosing not to do so (such as Schultz) because the DEMAND isn't there - that we are now so split up into warring tribes that we don't WANT anyone bringing moderation or reason to the table.

That's pretty fucking terrifying.
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This is what happens when communists get involved in any government. They act as sabotuers and created division and chaos.

 

[mudwhistle]

What did the electorate expect. We have a shock jock reality show host in the WH. This Presidency is his political theater....

That's why he didn't win the popular vote. It's a bad enough sign that he came as close as he did. He's a symptom.
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The popular was in his favor on election night, but shifted to Hillary in the following weeks in CA thru vote farming and voter fraud on a massive scale.

 

[Third Party]

So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary...

The Clintons have done as much damage to the nation as FDR and are a true shit stain on American political history. They are true racists, elites, globalists and look down their noses at you. If you voted for Hillary, you didn't need to hold your nose. You can't smell shit if it was smeared up your nostrils.

I like the way you really zeroed in on the point of the post there.

You're going to back this man no matter how ugly this gets, no matter what he does. I get it.
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Who in their right mind would vote for ANY of the DEM "can't-didates"?
Joe? He'll be shitting himself in the 'Sun Room' and calling his Filipino nurse 'mommy' in six months.
Warren? She is a habitual liar who won't tell the american public that middle class taxes will soar if she's elected.
Putt plug Pete? He claims to be a "combat veteran" but never came within five miles of any forward deployment. STOLEN VALOUR!!!! He was a fucking pizza delivery boy and taxi driver in Afghanistan.
Bernie the communist?
The others are a fucking joke and you know it.

True all, but the media has chosen to remove our president and there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[Third Party]

Can't argue with that, but I think your problem will be solved. Trump WILL be impeached-not because he did ANYTHING wrong but because the Democrats and media are going to correct OUR votes in 2016. They have used an inquisition style to set the narrative that the media is driving and the public is swallowing. The senate will have NO choice but to impeach. I hate business as usual politicians like Pence, but maybe we deserve crap like that now. I have a final solution for this if it is between Pence and some crazy dem, I'll stay home. If Trump runs, I'll vote third party.

I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
.

I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).

Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.

Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and simply immature.
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True all, but the media has chosen to remove our president and there is nothing we can do about it.

 

[Third Party]

I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).

Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.

Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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That last sentence just described pelosi and impeachment. The one you believe over documented fact.
Reason number 7654 you are a hack.

Pelosi is scary and may be eyeing the presidency after all.

 

[Third Party]

Perhaps Mac could explain how exactly putting any of current Dems in the White House would improve anything based on their stated policies.

Some one who is nicer and better liked-like Biden. The problem is, people have confused being stern with being crooked-and that may do Trump in.

 

[DustyInfinity]

There was nothing wrong with that letter to Erdogan. He could have dressed it up with flowery language which might have placated the elites but the message would still be the same regardless.

I wonder how far down his followers are willing to drop their standards for this guy.

Maintaining and demanding standards used to be considered a good thing, once upon a time. When America was a better place.

I'm not asking, I'm just wondering.
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So you're willing to cast a vote for the party that's normalized forcible gun seizure and numerous other crazy ideas because Trump sent a letter containing a simple and direct message?

In your mind, that's all I'm talking about? Not the last 2+ years?

I don't know what to tell you. I don't know how to answer.
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Other than using "unpresidential" coarse language, what atrocities has Trump committed in the last couple of years? Is he the one constantly trying to stir up division by race and gender? Cuz if you listen to what he actually says the dude just won't stop bragging about all the good things he's doing for blacks and hispanics and women and lgbtqs. Meanwhile the other side, the ones you want to vote for won't stop specifically blaming white men for all the problems in the world. Which message is more divisive, huh?

Because of this man, I've had to add an all-new standard for a President that has to take precedence, that has to be considered before anything else, that has to be a the first requirement of a President before anything else:

Stable, mentally healthy, normally-functioning adult.

Never in a million years could I have imagined myself having to add that standard to an American President. But here I am.
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Wow, you are a psychologist. I'm glad you are using that for your benchmark instead of corruption, incompetence, and authoritarianism. You get all warm and fuzzy saying Trump is not nice, and then you completely excuse a rigged primary and weaponizing the IRS for starters. I'm sure in some previous thread you condemned those actions, but they still don't override Trump being mean. This continuum of judgement must be fascinating.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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I agree with you. I'm just not sure I care to participate in a system so broken beyond repair.