Trump Chaos and 2020

Just a thought that slick packages often do not deliver.

Very true. And is that a reason to prefer a "package" that's an obvious hot mess?

I opposed Obama because of his ideology and the policies he foisted on the nation. I oppose Trump because he's a two bit huckster who can't spell "ideology", and is arguably batshit insane. He's an "tv personality" with no convictions other than stroking his ego.
 
Other than using "unpresidential" coarse language, what atrocities has Trump committed in the last couple of years? Is he the one constantly trying to stir up division by race and gender? Cuz if you listen to what he actually says the dude just won't stop bragging about all the good things he's doing for blacks and hispanics and women and lgbtqs. Meanwhile the other side, the ones you want to vote for won't stop specifically blaming white men for all the problems in the world. Which message is more divisive, huh?
Because of this man, I've had to add an all-new standard for a President that has to take precedence, that has to be considered before anything else, that has to be a the first requirement of a President before anything else:

Stable, mentally healthy, normally-functioning adult.

Never in a million years could I have imagined myself having to add that standard to an American President. But here I am.
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A "stable, mentally healthy, normally-functioning adult", eh?

So was Barack Obama defined. Sharp dressed man. Well-spoken, pretty language. "Charming" was often heard. Surprisingly clean and articulate for a black man, per Joe Biden. The ultimate leader, per the Democrats. A Messiah, sighed their media.

And yet the man fucked up everything in sight. He jacked up the culture wars and reinvigorated racial tension to 1960s levels. He diminished the industries that drive the country and the military that protects it. He dispensed with the Constitution when it suited him, the JCPOA being a prime example. His ME policies nearly always favored the sponsors of Islamist terrorism, and in fact he funded their activity with a 1.8 billion dollar gift, ignoring that they ignored the very weightless agreement he had singularly forged with them.

I could go on.

Recall too, that Jimmy Carter was considered a "stable, mentally healthy, normally-functioning adult". The moral man who instead of taking action in his energy crisis, told America to put on a sweater, and sent two helicopters to rescue 400 hostages from Iran. The mind fairly boggles.

I'll take a wise-guy barbarian as the national leader over that "stable, mentally healthy, normally-functioning" crap any day of the week. Milquetoast muffins do not make effective leaders.
2 helicopters to rescue 400 people?
What are you referring to?

Sorry, was thinking days. Corrected to 52 hostages.
It happens!

More often than I care to admit. :auiqs.jpg:
 
I really do hope so. But what's concerning me here is that there is a mil, it is e canyon between the two ends right now, and we're not seeing independents jumping in all over the place.

My concern is that they are choosing not to do so (such as Schultz) because the DEMAND isn't there - that we are now so split up into warring tribes that we don't WANT anyone bringing moderation or reason to the table.

That's pretty fucking terrifying.
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Can't argue with that, but I think your problem will be solved. Trump WILL be impeached-not because he did ANYTHING wrong but because the Democrats and media are going to correct OUR votes in 2016. They have used an inquisition style to set the narrative that the media is driving and the public is swallowing. The senate will have NO choice but to impeach. I hate business as usual politicians like Pence, but maybe we deserve crap like that now. I have a final solution for this if it is between Pence and some crazy dem, I'll stay home. If Trump runs, I'll vote third party.
I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).
Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.
Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and simply immature.
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At some level, down deep, underneath all the fandom and ideology, these guys know exactly what I'm talking about.

But they'll never admit it, ever. So they do what they're trained to do: Attack.

I know what you're talking about. I simply disagree with your conclusion.

Your ego is a bit out of whack if you think I secretly agree.
I didn't use the word "agree".

One day you guys will stop distorting my positions. I know it won't happen soon, but one day.
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Can't argue with that, but I think your problem will be solved. Trump WILL be impeached-not because he did ANYTHING wrong but because the Democrats and media are going to correct OUR votes in 2016. They have used an inquisition style to set the narrative that the media is driving and the public is swallowing. The senate will have NO choice but to impeach. I hate business as usual politicians like Pence, but maybe we deserve crap like that now. I have a final solution for this if it is between Pence and some crazy dem, I'll stay home. If Trump runs, I'll vote third party.
I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).
Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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When Ford took over, he was well liked even though he was not elected. when he pardoned Nixon, his popularity plummeted. Couple with a bad economy, he lost the next election. By weak, I mean afraid to do the better thing even if unpopular like Trump and the tax cut, prison reform, wall, troop withdrawal, and saying Merry Christmas.
Well, there are things a President can do unilaterally and things they can't. He couldn't get his wall even when he had the House and Senate. I think it's the things a President CAN do unilaterally that can define them. So yeah, weak can just be weak.

That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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That last sentence just described pelosi and impeachment. The one you believe over documented fact.
Reason number 7654 you are a hack.
 
At some level, down deep, underneath all the fandom and ideology, these guys know exactly what I'm talking about.

But they'll never admit it, ever. So they do what they're trained to do: Attack.

I know what you're talking about. I simply disagree with your conclusion.

Your ego is a bit out of whack if you think I secretly agree.
I didn't use the word "agree".

One day you guys will stop distorting my positions. I know it won't happen soon, but one day.
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If you were consistent, it would be easier to tell what your positions actually are :dunno:
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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You would like to vote third party...but you are afraid your party would lose. So you’ll keep voting Democrat while loudly proclaiming you want to vote third party.
I always appreciate having wingers tell me what I'm actually thinking.

Good stuff there.
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You said it yourself. You sure wanted to vote third party...but then you feared your party would lose. So you voted Democrat...as you always will. Unless you see they have a comfortable enough margin.

“ I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.”


And thus, all his hand wringing about regressive leftists is just...irrelevant.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.

Your understanding is total bullshit.

But hey, Trump moved our troops to allow Turkey to invade & kill hundreds of those that were fighting with us & all your fat assed orange POS can do is send a letter with schoolyard threats?

Really?

You are really proud of this?
 
That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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"Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda" - it's much worse than that. They actively damage the agenda he is supposedly advancing. I think that's part of the reason the Democrats have been so half-assed about defeating him. When it comes to making the Republicans look bad, Democrats have no better friend that Trump. When it comes to turning people against conservative principles, he's their greatest salesman.

I believe Trump's presidency will be a catalyst that basically seals the deal on the US trading in freedom for socialism.
 
Voting for the best has always been the American way, what has changed us? There will be a green candidate or Libertarian running, and maybe even a Bloomberg-we'll see.
I really do hope so. But what's concerning me here is that there is a mil, it is e canyon between the two ends right now, and we're not seeing independents jumping in all over the place.

My concern is that they are choosing not to do so (such as Schultz) because the DEMAND isn't there - that we are now so split up into warring tribes that we don't WANT anyone bringing moderation or reason to the table.

That's pretty fucking terrifying.
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Can't argue with that, but I think your problem will be solved. Trump WILL be impeached-not because he did ANYTHING wrong but because the Democrats and media are going to correct OUR votes in 2016. They have used an inquisition style to set the narrative that the media is driving and the public is swallowing. The senate will have NO choice but to impeach. I hate business as usual politicians like Pence, but maybe we deserve crap like that now. I have a final solution for this if it is between Pence and some crazy dem, I'll stay home. If Trump runs, I'll vote third party.
I don't know if he'll be removed, but I'm not very good at predicting stuff like that. Either way, this will be ugly.
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I look at the everyday man's mantra. In 1968, it was "law and order". In 2019, it is "Russia"-never really went away. If the common people want removal, that is what will happen. Nixon just did not fight it like Trump does. Well, we are due for another WEAK president, so bring him (or her) on! (Could end up being Pelosi at this rate).
Well, because we are so split into tribes, any President will necessarily be weak because they'll have only the support of their party.

So the question will be how much damage a President can do by themselves, and that's what we're seeing now.
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Trump is a brash, and even sometimes vulgar man. He is also old and quite stable and his policies are, or would be in a sane world, completely reasonable.



Your hysteria about him, is you buying into and supporting the tribalism you decry.
 
That does play into Trump's behaviors, though, because there are people in his own party who simply can't condone them. Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda, they put members of his own party on the defensive, for good reason: They are terribly unpresidential and immature.
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"Many of his ridiculous behaviors don't effectively advance an agenda" - it's much worse than that. They actively damage the agenda he is supposedly advancing. I think that's part of the reason the Democrats have been so half-assed about defeating him. When it comes to making the Republicans look bad, Democrats have no better friend that Trump. When it comes to turning people against conservative principles, he's their greatest salesman.

I believe Trump's presidency will be a catalyst that basically seals the deal on the US trading in freedom for socialism.
That's been my worry. But his sycophants are gleefully marching along, sucking it all up, completely conned, clueless as to what he's causing.
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At some level, down deep, underneath all the fandom and ideology, these guys know exactly what I'm talking about.

But they'll never admit it, ever. So they do what they're trained to do: Attack.
Trumps behavior is a stain on our country like every other president we have had
I didnt vote for him, nor will I next year.
I'm just calling out your bullshit.
The bullshit you dont dare to try and back up..
Are you sure you arent an andaronjim sock?
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Wow, nice of you to have such admiration of me, you worthless dickhead. I have never waivered that I support the President, not because of his past, but what he has done to make this country "GREAT" again. I almost feel sorry for your dumbass, but then I thought better of it.
 
Just a thought that slick packages often do not deliver.

Very true. And is that a reason to prefer a "package" that's an obvious hot mess?

I opposed Obama because of his ideology and the policies he foisted on the nation. I oppose Trump because he's a two bit huckster who can't spell "ideology", and is arguably batshit insane. He's an "tv personality" with no convictions other than stroking his ego.
And you are a racist and a liar.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.

Your understanding is total bullshit.

But hey, Trump moved our troops to allow Turkey to invade & kill hundreds of those that were fighting with us & all your fat assed orange POS can do is send a letter with schoolyard threats?

Really?

You are really proud of this?
So he should of kept our troops there so "the US troops" could be killed. Real liberal of you.
 
Just a thought that slick packages often do not deliver.

Very true. And is that a reason to prefer a "package" that's an obvious hot mess?

I opposed Obama because of his ideology and the policies he foisted on the nation. I oppose Trump because he's a two bit huckster who can't spell "ideology", and is arguably batshit insane. He's an "tv personality" with no convictions other than stroking his ego.
And you are a racist and a liar.

LOL.... sure man. You find go and find one single quote of me expressing racist views. Just one. I'll wait. Dumbass.

In the meantime, you can try to refute my comments with an actual argument. That will be even harder.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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Jesus...Trump could cure cancer and you idiots would be saying he's putting Doctors out of work....

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Jesus, Trump could skyrocket the debt & you would call it winning.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.

Your understanding is total bullshit.

But hey, Trump moved our troops to allow Turkey to invade & kill hundreds of those that were fighting with us & all your fat assed orange POS can do is send a letter with schoolyard threats?

Really?

You are really proud of this?
So he should of kept our troops there so "the US troops" could be killed. Real liberal of you.

You assfucks got 4600 soldiers killed in Iraq in a war based on lies.

We were there to helping others fight ISIS.

You a ISIS lover?
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.

Your understanding is total bullshit.

But hey, Trump moved our troops to allow Turkey to invade & kill hundreds of those that were fighting with us & all your fat assed orange POS can do is send a letter with schoolyard threats?

Really?

You are really proud of this?
So he should of kept our troops there so "the US troops" could be killed. Real liberal of you.

You assfucks got 4600 soldiers killed in Iraq in a war based on lies.

We were there to helping others fight ISIS.

You a ISIS lover?
Obama had troops killed in Afghanistan, why the fuck should we stay in Syria and how more troops killed. Damn you are fucking stupid.

We were chanting "NO MORE BUSH's", while your lame stream media was trying to have Jeb the front runner. Now we see why.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.

Your understanding is total bullshit.

But hey, Trump moved our troops to allow Turkey to invade & kill hundreds of those that were fighting with us & all your fat assed orange POS can do is send a letter with schoolyard threats?

Really?

You are really proud of this?
So he should of kept our troops there so "the US troops" could be killed. Real liberal of you.

You assfucks got 4600 soldiers killed in Iraq in a war based on lies.

We were there to helping others fight ISIS.

You a ISIS lover?
Oh, it was Hillary and Barrack who were supplying weapons to ISIS in Benghazi. are you a ISIS lover?
 
Trump is bad so we I'm going to vote for something worse. Brilliant ....You sound as bad as the strawman you keep punching.
So you make up something I didn't say, and then accuse me of a straw man.

Good gawd, you people. I know you have to defend him, but at least read what you write before hitting ENTER.
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Exactly what you said....perhaps your partisanship is blinding you.
 

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