Trump Chaos and 2020

Yes you can-you still pay taxes. And if a Democrat gets in, a lot more!
In the long run, I think that the Democrats' Tax & Spend philosophy is superior to the GOP's Borrow & Spend philosophy.

Republicans have been lied to, conned, about the GOP shrinking government since Reagan, and they don't seem to care.

Look at Trump: Even Keynes himself was against exploding the deficit in a period of growth. Obama was Keynesian and it worked, it got us out of the disaster he inherited, and the deficit was coming down. Trump is to the LEFT of Keynes, and his sycophants drink it all down like obedient little bunnies.
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Democrat "philosophy" has radically changed over the last few years. Remember it was only one president ago that the debate over gay marriage was still allowed and even Obama said he was against it. Now taking that stance in public would get you fired.
Yes, and that's an example of how the illiberal, authoritarian (Regressive) Left has so polluted the Democratic Party. Freedom of Expression is a core liberal value, and they piss on it regularly.

The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. Both are unforgivable sins in my book.
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Just checking. You believe that gay people should be free to marry, right?
Yes.

:confused-84:

This place can be bizarre.
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Yes you can-you still pay taxes. And if a Democrat gets in, a lot more!
In the long run, I think that the Democrats' Tax & Spend philosophy is superior to the GOP's Borrow & Spend philosophy.

Republicans have been lied to, conned, about the GOP shrinking government since Reagan, and they don't seem to care.

Look at Trump: Even Keynes himself was against exploding the deficit in a period of growth. Obama was Keynesian and it worked, it got us out of the disaster he inherited, and the deficit was coming down. Trump is to the LEFT of Keynes, and his sycophants drink it all down like obedient little bunnies.
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Democrat "philosophy" has radically changed over the last few years. Remember it was only one president ago that the debate over gay marriage was still allowed and even Obama said he was against it. Now taking that stance in public would get you fired.
Yes, and that's an example of how the illiberal, authoritarian (Regressive) Left has so polluted the Democratic Party. Freedom of Expression is a core liberal value, and they piss on it regularly.

The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. Both are unforgivable sins in my book.
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Just checking. You believe that gay people should be free to marry, right?

Left wing purity test. ^^^

In a few years answering no will be a federal offense.

That is ridiculous. You are a professional victim who doesn’t like the fact that the nation has decided that gay people have the right to marry. Nobody will put you in jail for being a bigot. But you will pay a price if you must express your bigotry. A private sector price.
 
Yes you can-you still pay taxes. And if a Democrat gets in, a lot more!
In the long run, I think that the Democrats' Tax & Spend philosophy is superior to the GOP's Borrow & Spend philosophy.

Republicans have been lied to, conned, about the GOP shrinking government since Reagan, and they don't seem to care.

Look at Trump: Even Keynes himself was against exploding the deficit in a period of growth. Obama was Keynesian and it worked, it got us out of the disaster he inherited, and the deficit was coming down. Trump is to the LEFT of Keynes, and his sycophants drink it all down like obedient little bunnies.
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Democrat "philosophy" has radically changed over the last few years. Remember it was only one president ago that the debate over gay marriage was still allowed and even Obama said he was against it. Now taking that stance in public would get you fired.
Yes, and that's an example of how the illiberal, authoritarian (Regressive) Left has so polluted the Democratic Party. Freedom of Expression is a core liberal value, and they piss on it regularly.

The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. Both are unforgivable sins in my book.
.

Just checking. You believe that gay people should be free to marry, right?
Yes.

:confused-84:

This place can be bizarre.
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Yes you can-you still pay taxes. And if a Democrat gets in, a lot more!
In the long run, I think that the Democrats' Tax & Spend philosophy is superior to the GOP's Borrow & Spend philosophy.

Republicans have been lied to, conned, about the GOP shrinking government since Reagan, and they don't seem to care.

Look at Trump: Even Keynes himself was against exploding the deficit in a period of growth. Obama was Keynesian and it worked, it got us out of the disaster he inherited, and the deficit was coming down. Trump is to the LEFT of Keynes, and his sycophants drink it all down like obedient little bunnies.
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Democrat "philosophy" has radically changed over the last few years. Remember it was only one president ago that the debate over gay marriage was still allowed and even Obama said he was against it. Now taking that stance in public would get you fired.
Yes, and that's an example of how the illiberal, authoritarian (Regressive) Left has so polluted the Democratic Party. Freedom of Expression is a core liberal value, and they piss on it regularly.

The Left has wrecked our culture, the Right has wrecked our socioeconomics. Both are unforgivable sins in my book.
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Just checking. You believe that gay people should be free to marry, right?
Yes.

:confused-84:

This place can be bizarre.
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Thought so. Just making sure.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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You voted for Obama/Hillary who's foreign policy was an absolute disaster compared to Trump. Obama and Hillary oversaw pulling out of Iraq and the rise of ISIS. We then saw Obama drawing red lines in the sand when it came to Syria and then backing down. The climax was Benghazi with all the lies and ineptitude and American deaths surrounding it. The icing on the cake was the mass genocide in Syria that the press did not really report on nor did they comment on the subsequent mass migration of refugees that the Western world is still trying to come to terms with. And then there is rocket man whom the President at least was able to quell for a while as Obama simply ignored all the rocket attacks instead.

Oh, and Americans are tired of being the world's policemen, unlike those like you who think otherwise.
Looks like we disagree.
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If you disagree that means you have not followed events in the Mid East or Ukraine. Direct Obama/Clinton results.
Or, I disagree because I see reality differently than you do.

If you want to confuse fact and opinion, and think that this makes me "wrong", that's fine with me.
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Is it a fact or opinion that the Mideast was burnt to a cinder under the guise of an “Arab spring”?
Is it a fact or opinion that Euromaiden and the Obama/Clinton backed overthrow of Ukraine’s elected President led to a civil war there still ongoing?
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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You voted for Obama/Hillary who's foreign policy was an absolute disaster compared to Trump. Obama and Hillary oversaw pulling out of Iraq and the rise of ISIS. We then saw Obama drawing red lines in the sand when it came to Syria and then backing down. The climax was Benghazi with all the lies and ineptitude and American deaths surrounding it. The icing on the cake was the mass genocide in Syria that the press did not really report on nor did they comment on the subsequent mass migration of refugees that the Western world is still trying to come to terms with. And then there is rocket man whom the President at least was able to quell for a while as Obama simply ignored all the rocket attacks instead.

Oh, and Americans are tired of being the world's policemen, unlike those like you who think otherwise.
Looks like we disagree.
.

If you disagree that means you have not followed events in the Mid East or Ukraine. Direct Obama/Clinton results.
Or, I disagree because I see reality differently than you do.

If you want to confuse fact and opinion, and think that this makes me "wrong", that's fine with me.
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Is it a fact or opinion that the Mideast was burnt to a cinder under the guise of an “Arab spring”?
Is it a fact or opinion that Euromaiden and the Obama/Clinton backed overthrow of Ukraine’s elected President led to a civil war there still ongoing?
Both are opinions.
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Stormy Mac's big problem.

He wants to combine Republican Economics of "Suck it you peasants" with Democratic Social Values of anything goes.

Which absolutely no one would support in combination.


No. Mac is fairly reasonable on the economy.

His only gripe is that he wants people to be able to say anything they want and never have anyone get offended. For some reason, he feels like he has been oppressed by our culture that has determined that expressions of hatred and bigotry are counterproductive.

It makes little sense, but that’s his deal.
 
No. Mac is fairly reasonable on the economy.

His only gripe is that he wants people to be able to say anything they want and never have anyone get offended. For some reason, he feels like he has been oppressed by our culture that has determined that expressions of hatred and bigotry are counterproductive.

It makes little sense, but that’s his deal.

I don't think he's fairly reasonable at all. He wants Republican ideas like Privatizing Medicare. These are just stupid ideas that no on one outside Wall Street likes.

Actually, he was a lot more reasonable around 2012... then he got on this "Political Correctness" kick, that we are just in a horrible place that Berkely won't welcome Right Wing Speakers that even Fox News won't put on the air anymore.
 
You voted for Obama/Hillary who's foreign policy was an absolute disaster compared to Trump. Obama and Hillary oversaw pulling out of Iraq and the rise of ISIS. We then saw Obama drawing red lines in the sand when it came to Syria and then backing down. The climax was Benghazi with all the lies and ineptitude and American deaths surrounding it. The icing on the cake was the mass genocide in Syria that the press did not really report on nor did they comment on the subsequent mass migration of refugees that the Western world is still trying to come to terms with. And then there is rocket man whom the President at least was able to quell for a while as Obama simply ignored all the rocket attacks instead.

Oh, and Americans are tired of being the world's policemen, unlike those like you who think otherwise.
Looks like we disagree.
.

If you disagree that means you have not followed events in the Mid East or Ukraine. Direct Obama/Clinton results.
Or, I disagree because I see reality differently than you do.

If you want to confuse fact and opinion, and think that this makes me "wrong", that's fine with me.
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Is it a fact or opinion that the Mideast was burnt to a cinder under the guise of an “Arab spring”?
Is it a fact or opinion that Euromaiden and the Obama/Clinton backed overthrow of Ukraine’s elected President led to a civil war there still ongoing?
Both are opinions.
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I suppose people who can claim a man is a woman could easily say there is no civil war in Ukraine.
That disconnect with reality is one of the reasons we threw your side out and elected Trump.
 
No. Mac is fairly reasonable on the economy.

His only gripe is that he wants people to be able to say anything they want and never have anyone get offended. For some reason, he feels like he has been oppressed by our culture that has determined that expressions of hatred and bigotry are counterproductive.

It makes little sense, but that’s his deal.

I don't think he's fairly reasonable at all. He wants Republican ideas like Privatizing Medicare. These are just stupid ideas that no on one outside Wall Street likes.

Actually, he was a lot more reasonable around 2012... then he got on this "Political Correctness" kick, that we are just in a horrible place that Berkely won't welcome Right Wing Speakers that even Fox News won't put on the air anymore.

At the risk of giving him an orgasm because we are talking about him, I will disagree. I’ve never heard him say he wanted to kill Medicare. He’s a fiscally moderate lib. He doesn’t want to be called a socialist but he knows that Dems have been much better on the economy than have Republicans.

Now, I’m gonna go buy some Kleenex stock.
 
Is it a fact or opinion that the Mideast was burnt to a cinder under the guise of an “Arab spring”?
Is it a fact or opinion that Euromaiden and the Obama/Clinton backed overthrow of Ukraine’s elected President led to a civil war there still ongoing?

Nope, neither of those are facts.

The reality- we don't have that much influence on the internal politics of other countries... and we really shouldn't.

The Arab Spring was happening no matter what we did. The Orange Revolution was happening no matter what we did.
 
At the risk of giving him an orgasm because we are talking about him, I will disagree. I’ve never heard him say he wanted to kill Medicare. He’s a fiscally moderate lib. He doesn’t want to be called a socialist but he knows that Dems have been much better on the economy than have Republicans.

Now, I’m gonna go buy some Kleenex stock.

Yeah, when I hear "Fiscally moderate", it usually means, "Don't upset Wall Street".

He did go into a lot of stuff about how he wants to expand Medicare Part C to be the whole of health care in this country... the last thing we need.
 
Looks like we disagree.
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If you disagree that means you have not followed events in the Mid East or Ukraine. Direct Obama/Clinton results.
Or, I disagree because I see reality differently than you do.

If you want to confuse fact and opinion, and think that this makes me "wrong", that's fine with me.
.

Is it a fact or opinion that the Mideast was burnt to a cinder under the guise of an “Arab spring”?
Is it a fact or opinion that Euromaiden and the Obama/Clinton backed overthrow of Ukraine’s elected President led to a civil war there still ongoing?
Both are opinions.
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I suppose people who can claim a man is a woman could easily say there is no civil war in Ukraine.
That disconnect with reality is one of the reasons we threw your side out and elected Trump.
So in your mind, when I think that a post that is laden with silly hyperbole and partisan talking points is an opinion-based post, I'm denying that there is a civil war in Ukraine.

This is another example of why I no longer put much effort into trying to communicate with wingers. We exist on different intellectual planets.
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So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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He got the ceasefire....letter seems to have worked.

The people saying he lost his shit....are the democrats....wow....great post....
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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He got the ceasefire....letter seems to have worked.

The people saying he lost his shit....are the democrats....wow....great post....

When was that letter sent?
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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My understanding is totally different.
Apparently they had this meeting yesterday.....and the Democrat leaders decided to stage another event.
Trump handed out a copy of the letter he sent to all of the members present....Pelosi refused to read it...turned it face-down on the table....then started making wise-cracks about Putin and Trump. Trump asks Pelosi what she finds so funny and she starts throwing a fit and storms out. Once the spoiled Dems left....they actually got something done. Meanwhile the Democrats were outside pouting and making up their version of what happened in the meeting and Nancy Pelosi is nashing her dentures and grinning like a cokehead. I really think the next time she shows up at the White House, she should do it sober.


You can always tell the weak minds........they regurgitate the last thing they saw in the media......and anything the democrats say....
 
This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

A pity petulance isn't an impeachable offense

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue

His supporters actually applaud him his behavior w/all manner of 'tough guy' claims

So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.

Preparing one's self for lack of choice, illusion of democracy & loss of freedoms in an orwellian dystopia is easier once accepted

~S~
After Trump's win, I posted that my fear was that he'd screw up so badly that, in response, the Regressive Left would be able to fully take over the Democratic Party. Then we'd see only the far ends of the spectrum represented in 2020. So no matter which party won, it would be very bad news.

Right now, at this moment, my fear is pretty much playing out in real time.
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Normally I love your posts. But your out to lunch on this one.

Trump has done a great job. What you forget is that he's not a politician and never will be. He's a businessman who know how to get things done without all the glad handing which politicians are great at.

UE is the lowest its been in 50 years. The economy is doing great and we have jobs all across the country.

He's not as smooth as a politician but he gets his foreign policy done as well.

He'll win in 2020 so you'd better get used to that fact.
 
So he writes (and actually sends, holy shit) a letter to a world leader that looks like it was written by a fourth grader. He loses his shit in a meeting with the leaders of a co-equal branch of government, insults them, meeting ends. Before that he's trolling and dancing on the graves of the Kurds, as bombs were raining down on them, after he threw our allies under the bus.

This is just the last few days. It has been like this for over two years now. It's happened with such frequency that it almost seems NORMAL, and that's the LAST thing it should be.

Meanwhile, the Democratic Party is now largely under the control of illiberal leftist authoritarians. I'd really like to vote third party, since both parties have completely gone over the edge. I wanted to vote third party in 2016, but I knew I didn't want Trump within miles of the Oval Office. So I held my nose with both hands and voted for Hillary.

This man should not be in the White House. He is unstable, he is not mentally well, he has no empathy or loyalty or decency or dignity, and he's becoming a literal danger to this country. This can't continue. So now I have to prepare myself to do it again, against my impulses and wishes.
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He got the ceasefire....letter seems to have worked.

The people saying he lost his shit....are the democrats....wow....great post....

When was that letter sent?


Something tells me they don't have to actually send letters by pigeon anymore....
 

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