Truly supporting our troops

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    1) If you want to support our troops and make a statement, then campaign to vote out any US politician that isn't fighting to protect US jobs. If they troops have no jobs to come home to, or only jobs with mediocre benefits, then we have done them a dis-service, and have dissed their service to us.

    2) remind any bonehead that you see driving a foriegn car with a US flag on it, or one of the those "Support our troops" stickers, that they infact undermine our ability to support our troops.. Think about how many jobs are lost to every car engineered, and manufactured overseas.. No, assembling them in the US is not the same as doing it here. There should be good jobs for our trained forces to come back to.

    3) Can any vehicle that you don't REALLY need that is a gas hog. Get an economy car so that we can get off the oil usage binge...(here is the killer, our US manufactures are not getting into the HYBRID vehicle market. GM< FORD< CHRYSLER YOU SUCK!! Two ways,, no really reliable cars are made by you scumbags, hence the foreign car market explosion.)

    4) Demand that US stores start selling more "Made in America" products. Shoes, and other goods, can be purchased that are made here for competitive prices, but they are getting much harder to find. The people who still, by luck, have a job making shoes in the US are only a fraction of the workforce it takes to actually make shoes. The suppliers of the materials, the truckers, the techs who fix the equipment, etc... They make up the part of our economy that has been stripped away as well by the slave labor forces in Asia and South America.

    Without income to the US economy, how do we support our troops? By cutting back on their benefits??? Leaving their loved ones to fend for themselves due to budget woes??

    We who remain stateside, while our troops are fighting around the globe, have to get off our asses and get things back on track.. Bill Clinton and George W may be of different politcal parties, and the parties may like to argue how different they are from each other, but in the end the two are very much the same. The only difference is who gets to stuff the money into their pockets. Both the current Democrats and Republicans out to have their asses booted out and their benefits slashed. They have failed the troops and have failed us at home by allowing the economy to get so screwed up.


    And before you buy a flag to wave when the troops finally end up coming home, please make sure it too is made in the US... Wal-Mart is starting to whore them out to China too.
     
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    Frankly, by purchasing foreign goods, we as consumers are sending a message to domestic producers: start making quality stuff at affordable prices. Whether or not something is made in the US or not is not a big deal to me, because there are American jobs in transporting those goods to the store, working retail, etc. etc. Just because something is manufactured overseas doesn't mean that there are no American jobs involved in its sale.
     
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    I love my country and a value the patriotism and sacrifice of service people. My dad died on active service and when I visit his grave, the sight of all those little flags makes me sad and mad and proud all at the same time. My problem is that I think the war in Iraq (not Afghanistan) illegal, immoral and bad for America. I can separate the warrior from the war in my own mind, but how do I give outward support for those brave Americans who are fighting (as they swore so nobly to do) for what I think is a grisly mistake?

    The idea of "support our troops, bring them home," makes sense to me but it's just an idea. IMHO it is still more supportive and patriotic than sending them over there without adequate planning, numbers or equipment while screwing them on pay and allowaces back here. I'm really troubled by this mess and I would appreciate any sincere ideas.
     
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    Our troops are doing what the Commander in Chief has directed.

    You can support our troops even though you don't support the cause.
     
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    Here we go again! I asked a question about supporting the troops. You don't want to discuss that (OK by me) but want to get into one of those gotcha debates about whether the war is legal or not (boring!).
     
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    Been "gotcha-ed" one too many times I guess. Some folks who have been proven wrong admit it and move on instead of having the same old argument again with someone else.
     
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    I don't agree with the addage: You can support the troops, yet not support their cause. That's sorta like me saying I don't support my marriage, but I support my wife.


    The troops are what they are doing. The troops are their cause.
     
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    In the big picture, as unfortunate as it is, the people who think the war is illegal, or wrong, or whatever, can jump and down and hold their breath until they turn blue.

    It won't bring the troops back.

    Just like you can respect the position a person holds but not necessarily the person, you can respect and support our troops regardless of what your stance on the war is.

    You want to support them? Talk to the Red Cross. Call the Family Services branch (or whatever the branches of the services call is - Family Services is Air Force) and ask what is needed. Volunteer to babysit someone's kids while she goes grocery shopping - or gets her hair done.

    Another idea - think of the time and energy you spend complaining about the war. Spend just half of that talking about how the troops and their families need our support and I bet you will see results quicker than you can imagine.
    Call the local VA Hospital and volunteer to read the newspaper to the servicemember who is now blind because of a suicide bomber.

    Talk about the soldier who comes home without a leg or an arm. Talk about the children who lost their parent. Talk about the family on food stamps because their major breadwinner is over in the desert.

    You can say you feel the war is wrong.

    Just say you support the troops more often.
     
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    again...feeling or thinking the war is wrong, or illegal is thinking our soldiers - who have the DUTY to not-obey unlawfull orders - are wrong and/or illegal.

    Who was it that said, "Politics stops at the shore"?
     
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    Illegal in who's eyes?

    There have been soldier's who have thought the war was wrong. They have refused to "go back" and have been discharged. I have yet to hear of any soldier being thrown in the brig for refusing to fight.

    They have been re-assigned, discharged, and yes, punished (reduction in rank, etc) - but not thrown in jail - and not forced to "go back."

    I would dare say that a huge percentage of troops don't feel the war is illegal, therefore serving at the pleasure of the President is without question.
     

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