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Not trying to attack you, just acknowledging a trend that occasionally happens on this board, by myself included unfortunately. I need to try to remind myself as well that, no matter what, I - me personally - need to TRY (at least) to treat others with more respect. (Believe me I know sometimes it takes more will power than I have...The absence of any logical argument in his post warrants treating him as an immature underling.
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Not trying to attack you, just acknowledging a trend that occasionally happens on this board, by myself included unfortunately. I need to try to remind myself as well that, no matter what, I - me personally - need to TRY (at least) to treat others with more respect. (Believe me I know sometimes it takes more will power than I have...The absence of any logical argument in his post warrants treating him as an immature underling.
Ah, duly noted. Please carry on, Admiral, and thanks for understanding.Thanks for the thoughts, but I have a history with this poster from another forum.
Howard was very clear, alien foreigners such as Ambassadors, and their families who are subject to the Nation they officially represent and are not subject to our laws (diplomatic immunity), who are not subject to the State's legal jurisdiction, their children born on our soil while they are here, are not citizens of the USA.The anchor baby myth.
In IN RE SLAUGHTER-HOUSE CASES, 83 U.S. 36 (1872) the Court states the following regarding the 14th Amendment:
“That its main purpose was to establish the citizenship of the negro can admit of no doubt. The phrase, subject to its jurisdiction' was intended to exclude from its operation children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States“.
And why would the Court indicate the wording in the 14th Amendment which declares “and subject to its jurisdiction” was intended to exclude from citizenship “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States“?
The answer is to be found in the Congressional Globe, 39th Congress, which framed and debated the 14th Amendment. For example, in discussing the proposed 14th Amendment, Senator Howard explains the clear intentions of the 14th Amendment as follows:
The first amendment is to section one, declaring that all "persons born in the United States and Subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the States wherein they reside. I do not propose to say anything on that subject except that the question of citizenship has been fully discussed in this body as not to need any further elucidation, in my opinion. This amendment which I have offered is simply declaratory of what I regard as the law of the land already, that every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.(my emphasis) see: Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866) pg. 2890
Later, and after the question was repeatedly asked as to who is and who is not a citizen of the United States, Mr. TRUMBULL responds as follows SEE: page 2893, Congressional Globe, 39th Congress (1866)
1st column halfway down
“The provision is, that “all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.” That means “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.” . . . “What do we mean by “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?” Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”
Mr. Trumbull later emphasizes in crystal clear language that: “It cannot be said of any Indian who owes allegiance, partial allegiance if you please, to some other Government that he is “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”
Mr. JOHNSON then rises to say: “…there is no definition in the Constitution as it now stands as to citizenship. Who is a citizen of the United States is an open question….there is no definition as to how citizenship can exist in the United States except through the medium of a citizenship in a State.
“Now, all that this amendment provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power--for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us--shall be considered as citizens of the United States.” …he then continues “…the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born of parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States.”
And then there is John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section who considered the proposed national law on citizenship as “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” Cong. Globe, page 1291(March 9, 1866) middle column half way down.
JWK
"The Constitution is the act of the people, speaking in their original character, and defining the permanent conditions of the social alliance; and there can be no doubt on the point with us, that every act of the legislative power contrary to the true intent and meaning of the Constitution, is absolutely null and void. ___ Chancellor James Kent, in his Commentaries on American Law (1858)
Howard was very clear, alien foreigners such as Ambassadors, and their families who are subject to the Nation they officially represent and are not subject to our laws (diplomatic immunity), who are not subject to the State's legal jurisdiction, their children born on our soil while they are here, are not citizens of the USA.
I'll go with my opinion that 'gowdy' is a rino and an amnesty advocate with his approval of 'roobio' Johnwk !!
--------------------- I'm happy with Hilary or sanders over a rino Unkatore !!I'll go with my opinion that 'gowdy' is a rino and an amnesty advocate with his approval of 'roobio' Johnwk !!
Keep being a dimwit, and give the election to the democrats. Good thinking, moron. They are laughing at you.
See: Trey Gowdy Officially Endorses Marco Rubio
Dec 29 2015
”South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy officially endorsed Marco Rubio on Monday, calling him the best candidate on national security and saying that the Florida senator is "effective" rather than "flashy."
This is very saddening to me because I had great respect for Trey who I viewed as a pit-bull in seeking the truth and facts during various Congressional Hearings and thought Mr. Goudy had a great love for our Country and promoting its general welfare in addition to being obedient to our Constitution.
The problem with Goudy endorsing Marco Rubio is, Rubio has closed his eyes to the devastating effects inflicted upon American Citizens by the millions upon millions of foreigners who have invaded our borders, and has given every indication he intends to allow the vast majority to remain in our Country even though their very presence is destructive to our nation's general welfare and violates our Constitution.
The unvarnished truth is, no good can come from allowing 10s of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated and low skilled foreigners who have invaded our borders to remain here. Not only do these illegal entrants compete with American Citizens for good paying jobs in the construction trades and displace American workers which has already caused unemployment to spiral out of control, but trying to accommodate illegals and their children has proven to be disastrous in that American Citizens are being made into tax slaves to pay for the economic needs of illegal aliens, not to mention how many of our public schools and emergency rooms have been overburdened and destroyed by this massive invasion of our borders.
So why does Trey Goudy give his support to Marco Rubio who has every intention of making the vast majority of illegal aliens legal, instead of enforcing existing law, and working to adopt new laws to encourage illegal aliens and their children to leave on their own?
Seems quite clear that Trey Goudy is another sock puppet for the Chamber of Commerce, Club for Growth and our Global Governance crowd who have no allegiance to America or any nation and carry out the wishes of international corporate giants.
JWK
To support Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush, is to support our Global Governance Crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.
--------------------- I'm happy with Hilary or sanders over a rino Unkatore !!I'll go with my opinion that 'gowdy' is a rino and an amnesty advocate with his approval of 'roobio' Johnwk !!
Keep being a dimwit, and give the election to the democrats. Good thinking, moron. They are laughing at you.
See: Trey Gowdy Officially Endorses Marco Rubio
Dec 29 2015
”South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy officially endorsed Marco Rubio on Monday, calling him the best candidate on national security and saying that the Florida senator is "effective" rather than "flashy."
This is very saddening to me because I had great respect for Trey who I viewed as a pit-bull in seeking the truth and facts during various Congressional Hearings and thought Mr. Goudy had a great love for our Country and promoting its general welfare in addition to being obedient to our Constitution.
The problem with Goudy endorsing Marco Rubio is, Rubio has closed his eyes to the devastating effects inflicted upon American Citizens by the millions upon millions of foreigners who have invaded our borders, and has given every indication he intends to allow the vast majority to remain in our Country even though their very presence is destructive to our nation's general welfare and violates our Constitution.
The unvarnished truth is, no good can come from allowing 10s of millions of poverty stricken, poorly educated and low skilled foreigners who have invaded our borders to remain here. Not only do these illegal entrants compete with American Citizens for good paying jobs in the construction trades and displace American workers which has already caused unemployment to spiral out of control, but trying to accommodate illegals and their children has proven to be disastrous in that American Citizens are being made into tax slaves to pay for the economic needs of illegal aliens, not to mention how many of our public schools and emergency rooms have been overburdened and destroyed by this massive invasion of our borders.
So why does Trey Goudy give his support to Marco Rubio who has every intention of making the vast majority of illegal aliens legal, instead of enforcing existing law, and working to adopt new laws to encourage illegal aliens and their children to leave on their own?
Seems quite clear that Trey Goudy is another sock puppet for the Chamber of Commerce, Club for Growth and our Global Governance crowd who have no allegiance to America or any nation and carry out the wishes of international corporate giants.
JWK
To support Marco Rubio, or Jeb Bush, is to support our Global Governance Crowd and their WTO, NAFTA, GATT, and CAFTA, all used to circumvent America First trade policies, while fattening the fortunes of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation.
The old main line establishment GOP is really put-off by Cruz.
By endorsing Rubio, Trey is being political. Not forthright. Just cheap ass political.
They (old main line establishment GOP types) pray that Trump fails and they then see (dimly) that Cruz might be the one to surpass Trump before the dust settles. This scares them more than a Trump victory would.
Trey disappoints. But this is still all just a side show to what's coming, methinks.
Funny how all of the Right Wing sewer rats were all over Gowdy's nuts when he went after Clinton and came up with snake eyes , after she smoked him with that Ben Gazzi BS..
Now you can't stand the guy after he endorses Ricky Ricardo , who would be a tougher guy to beat in the General than that fat Bloated orange clown who's way more beatable, older fatter uglier, dumber and more pathetic , than Rubio..
You dumbshits on the right love to pick losers, McCain, Romney , and now this fat fucker with the cheap rug..
if true , I prefer being a fool for Hilary rather than rinos . I'm looking for hil or sanders to go after you moderate rino voters . If either dem wins , well get those reparation checks and checks for lots of other free stuff ready Unkatore .
Yea and you vote for your lying kind like the fat fuck Trump, who saw THOUSANDS OF MUSLIMS CHEERING , after the Towers were bombedFunny how all of the Right Wing sewer rats were all over Gowdy's nuts when he went after Clinton and came up with snake eyes , after she smoked him with that Ben Gazzi BS..
Now you can't stand the guy after he endorses Ricky Ricardo , who would be a tougher guy to beat in the General than that fat Bloated orange clown who's way more beatable, older fatter uglier, dumber and more pathetic , than Rubio..
You dumbshits on the right love to pick losers, McCain, Romney , and now this fat fucker with the cheap rug..
You idiots on the far left (being tools who strive to make the world safer for all the hack liberal Democrat, Socialist Party politicians out there) actually DO pick losers. Sadly, Obumbler won and then got re-elected. Nowadays you are fighting out whether to hand the nomination to an avowed Socialist or the lying kind.
, you must be a real stupid cocksucker to believe that bullshit, you comical fuck..
"Trey Goudy joins the dark side, endorses Marco amnesty Rubio"
Whom you'd vote for if he were the GOP nominee.
like you get to decide ehh Unkatore ??if true , I prefer being a fool for Hilary rather than rinos . I'm looking for hil or sanders to go after you moderate rino voters . If either dem wins , well get those reparation checks and checks for lots of other free stuff ready Unkatore .
You are unworthy of the vote.
