Treasury denies Democrats' request for Trump tax returns

[longknife]

Mnuchin told Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., in a Monday letter that the panel's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose" as Supreme Court precedent requires.

In making that determination, Mnuchin said he relied on the advice of the Justice Department. He concluded that the Treasury Department is "not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information." He said the Justice Department will provide a more detailed legal justification soon.

Dims boiling President Trump chuckling. A lot of us saying, “Told ya so.”


More @ Refusal to hand over Trump's tax returns sets up legal fight

 

[Indeependent]

Yep!

 

[iceberg]

here's where they get mad and scream BUT WE REALLY REALLY REALLY want it!!!

 

[Zorro!]

Hypocrite Democrat seeking Trump’s taxes hasn’t released his, spends lavishly on lobbyists.

“The House Democrat demanding President Trump’s tax returns is coming under fire for not releasing his returns and spending lavishly on lobbyists and potential donors. Massachusetts Rep. Richard Neal, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, hasn’t released his recent returns."​

 

[Oddball]

 

[jillian]

Mnuchin told Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., in a Monday letter that the panel's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose" as Supreme Court precedent requires.

In making that determination, Mnuchin said he relied on the advice of the Justice Department. He concluded that the Treasury Department is "not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information." He said the Justice Department will provide a more detailed legal justification soon.

Dims boiling President Trump chuckling. A lot of us saying, “Told ya so.”


More @ Refusal to hand over Trump's tax returns sets up legal fight

They are breaking the law

I’m sure that makes trumpkins proud

And anyone who voted for Donald really should’t Call anyone else “dim”

 

[Marion Morrison]

 

[Oddball]

Mnuchin told Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., in a Monday letter that the panel's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose" as Supreme Court precedent requires.

In making that determination, Mnuchin said he relied on the advice of the Justice Department. He concluded that the Treasury Department is "not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information." He said the Justice Department will provide a more detailed legal justification soon.

Dims boiling President Trump chuckling. A lot of us saying, “Told ya so.”


More @ Refusal to hand over Trump's tax returns sets up legal fight

They are breaking the law

I’m sure that makes trumpkins proud

And anyone who voted for Donald really should’t Call anyone else “dim”

 

[Marion Morrison]

Mnuchin told Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., in a Monday letter that the panel's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose" as Supreme Court precedent requires.

In making that determination, Mnuchin said he relied on the advice of the Justice Department. He concluded that the Treasury Department is "not authorized to disclose the requested returns and return information." He said the Justice Department will provide a more detailed legal justification soon.

Dims boiling President Trump chuckling. A lot of us saying, “Told ya so.”


More @ Refusal to hand over Trump's tax returns sets up legal fight

They are breaking the law

I’m sure that makes trumpkins proud

And anyone who voted for Donald really should’t Call anyone else “dim”

You don't know law, hell you don't even know proper English.

#fakelawyer

They're out of line for demanding his tax returns. He's not even taking a government salary, so why should they care so much? His business is not their business, and I'm certain he runs it a LOT cleaner than they run theirs.

 

[Kilroy2]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

 

[Jitss617]

Another loss for the democrats

 

[Zorro!]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

 

[Kilroy2]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

witch hunt is not a legal term

if this purpose was solely for the public dissemination without an active investigation then you might have a point

instead

In light of these principles, if a chair of a tax committee seeks the President’s tax returns solely for the purpose of public dissemination without any nexus to a legislative or OVERSIGHT FUNCTION, a court could view that request as pursuing “exposure for the sake of exposure” and not within Congress’ or the tax committee’s power

Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice and Trump himself has made numerous statements of a witch hunt

White house counsel refused his request when he thought that it was illegal and a obstruction of justice

They are doing oversight and in that function is is allowed

Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying

DOJ has the full report and they know that there is legitimate concerns but Barr is blocking as seen when he said that there was no obstruction of justice when Mueller alluded that there was and backed it up with statements from others who were there. Barr wasn't there

Oversight is a legislative function but they just want it to go through the court systems

 

[Zorro!]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

witch hunt is not a legal term...

Who claimed otherwise?

... Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice...

Mueller didn't charge Trump with Obstruction.

...Trump himself has made numerous statements of a witch hunt...

So what? So have I.

...Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying...

Nixon didn't try to block the release of his returns.

There's no law that requires Trump to disclose the returns, the papers are private information. Ike, LBJ and JFK never released their returns. Trump says he will release his returns once the audit is concluded, you are simply going to have to learn some patience.

 

[Kilroy2]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

witch hunt is not a legal term...

Who claimed otherwise?

... Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice...

Mueller didn't charge Trump with Obstruction.

...Trump himself has made numerous statements of a witch hunt...

So what? So have I.

...Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying...

Nixon didn't try to block the release of his returns.

There's no law that requires Trump to disclose the returns, the papers are private information. Ike, LBJ and JFK never released their returns. Trump says he will release his returns once the audit is concluded, you are simply going to have to learn some patience.

Who claimed otherwise?

... Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice...

Mueller didn't charge Trump with Obstruction.

based on DOJ guidelines regarding sitting president he couldn't charge trump, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen

...Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying...

Nixon didn't try to block the release of his returns.

block was a to strong of a word

well after his return was leaked by someone, then he released them to show he wasn't a crook

But unfortunately it did show he was a crook

 

[Zorro!]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

witch hunt is not a legal term...

Who claimed otherwise?

... Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice...

Mueller didn't charge Trump with Obstruction.

...Trump himself has made numerous statements of a witch hunt...

So what? So have I.

...Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying...

Nixon didn't try to block the release of his returns.

There's no law that requires Trump to disclose the returns, the papers are private information. Ike, LBJ and JFK never released their returns. Trump says he will release his returns once the audit is concluded, you are simply going to have to learn some patience.

...Mueller didn't charge Trump with Obstruction.

based on DOJ guidelines regarding sitting president he couldn't charge trump...

First, that can be handled by sealed indictment. Second, Dirty Bob's job was to bring an indictment if he had sufficient proof, it would be Barr's decision whether it should be held until Trump completed serving.

Further Mueller initially told Barr another story entirely. In recent Senate testimony, Attorney General Bill Barr related that he and his staff met with the Mueller team a couple of weeks before the report was completed. Mueller surprised them with the news that he would not be resolving the obstruction question. When asked to explain, Mueller said his rationale for this non-decision was not yet fully developed — such temporizing, of course, is often the sign of handwringing as one tries to rationalize a determination one knows is wrong. Nevertheless, Barr reports that Mueller was emphatic that the OLC guidance was not what drove his decision to abdicate.

Yet when we finally saw the Mueller report, we found that the obstruction volume begins with a discussion of the OLC guidance. It is, by turns, vaporous and preposterous. It is no wonder Barr has said he does not know exactly what Mueller was thinking.

First, the OLC guidance does not say a president may never be indicted; just that he can’t be indicted while serving.

The OLC guidance is irrelevant to the prosecutor investigating the case. Even if we stipulate, for argument’s sake, that a president may not be indicted in the here and now, he may still be prosecuted for any indictable offense at some future point. Therefore, someone must decide if there is a crime worth charging. That someone, obviously, is the prosecutor assigned to investigate the case. Since there is no bar on investigating a sitting president, there is no reason not to make the prosecution judgment — to charge or not to charge.

If there is sufficient evidence, then it is the prosecutor’s job to recommend indictment. The question of whether the OLC guidance should then be invoked to delay indictment should then be up to the attorney general. The guidance does not burden the prosecutor’s analysis of whether there is an indictable case.

Mueller’s report is designed to taint the president when he does not have the constitutional protections of a criminal defendant. Let no one tell you that Bob Mueller is not a dirty unethical bastard.

Mueller simply had to do his job and make the required binary decision about whether or not the evidence supported indictment, and then leave the application of the OLC guidance to the attorney general.

 

[longknife]

Let me pose a question here.
Are legislative committee established to gather information for drawing up laws? And to ensure laws are properly enacted?

What laws are involved in viewing the tax returns of an American citizen?

I can see them being called for in a criminal investigation. But, just for political purposes.

The Dims are over reaching and it will bite them.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

As the justice department contributes to obstruction to a deep state that President Trump is now the head off,

when in fact they know that this law does exist

Disclosure to Committees of Congress
Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any return or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.

Within the Constitutional Confines of a legitimate legislative purpose, of course.

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, after conferring with the Justice Department, has determined that the witch hunting committee's request "lacks a legitimate legislative purpose."

witch hunt is not a legal term

if this purpose was solely for the public dissemination without an active investigation then you might have a point

instead

In light of these principles, if a chair of a tax committee seeks the President’s tax returns solely for the purpose of public dissemination without any nexus to a legislative or OVERSIGHT FUNCTION, a court could view that request as pursuing “exposure for the sake of exposure” and not within Congress’ or the tax committee’s power

Mueller report exposes specific instances of obstruction of justice and Trump himself has made numerous statements of a witch hunt

White house counsel refused his request when he thought that it was illegal and a obstruction of justice

They are doing oversight and in that function is is allowed

Nixon tried to block his returns and in the end he was lying

DOJ has the full report and they know that there is legitimate concerns but Barr is blocking as seen when he said that there was no obstruction of justice when Mueller alluded that there was and backed it up with statements from others who were there. Barr wasn't there

Oversight is a legislative function but they just want it to go through the court systems

abuse of power is a legal term

 

[Zorro!]

Let me pose a question here.
Are legislative committee established to gather information for drawing up laws? And to ensure laws are properly enacted?

What laws are involved in viewing the tax returns of an American citizen?

I can see them being called for in a criminal investigation. But, just for political purposes.

The Dims are over reaching and it will bite them.

Exactly. They want Trump's tax returns for crass political exploitation, and they are abusing their positions rather than working for the American People.

They were voted into the majority in Nov, it's now May, What bills have they passed to better the lives of the American People?