Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: 9/11 and Beyond

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By Alan Sabrosky.

September 10, 2009 "Information Clearing House' -- The attacks on September 11, 2001 have been a defining moment for America. The political and psychological impact on Americans of a concerted and visible attack in America was enormous -- indeed, it is an interesting "coincidence" that the attacks occurred on the one day of the year whose mention reinforces a public sense here of danger and emergency: 9-1-1.

A significant development in the 1990s was the formation of the neo-conservative think tank known as PNAC (Project for a New American Century), whose members prepared position papers for the Israeli government and for a future US Administration sharing their views. That happened in 2000 with the election of George W. Bush, and a contemporary writer summarized the tip of the neo-conservative iceberg in his first Administration this way:

The "outsiders" from PNAC were now powerful "insiders," placed in important positions from which they could exert maximum pressure on US policy…PNAC had a lock on military policy-creation in the Bush Administration.

Especially significant in terms of subsequent events was the acknowledgement in one of PNAC's own documents that their program for America (and Israel) would not readily be accepted by the American people. What this meant, PNAC opined in 2000, was that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor."

9/11 Reconsidered

On September 11, 2001, the PNAC people in and out of government -- and by extension AIPAC and Israel -- "coincidentally" got the event they needed, barely eight months after coming into office. Most people are familiar with the basic details of that day -- two commercial aircraft crashing into the two tallest buildings in New York City's World Trade Center (WTC), a third striking the Pentagon, and a fourth ending up in a Pennsylvania field. Few people will forget the images of the burning buildings, their collapse, the casualties, and the sense of shock and tragedy that ensued.

The official 9/11 Commission's work and report were at best an incomplete exercise. Many people dismiss the findings of the Commission, and that includes its co-chairs. Many others who utterly distrust the 9/11 Commission report, dismiss the US Government’s explanation of it, and point to both an official cover-up and an “inside job,” include veteran fighter pilots, EMTs (Emergency Medical Technicians), air defense experts, experienced commercial pilots, demolition experts, architects and civil engineers – none of them professions that inherently attract and retain the gullible and credulous.

Several things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a "cover" had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.

Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.

Finally, we need to take a hard look at why the mainstream media (MSM) have paid more attention to Sarah Palin’s wardrobe than they have to dissecting blatant falsehoods, discrepancies and inconsistencies in the US Government’s treatment of 9/11 and its aftermath. And the reason is that on this issue, all are on the same side, and the official line is the one they all prefer – “all” meaning the PNAC alumni who took over the Bush Administration’s national security apparatus and their counterparts in the Obama administration, AIPAC and the rest of the numerous Jewish PACs, the MSM owners and Israel. The depiction of the media management in America in 2002 is especially informative, and has not changed significantly since then:

CEOs and Directors of companies change as often as Boards of Directors vote. But if we could “freeze frame” the CEOs of the largest US Media companies in mid 2002, we would find that ten Jewish American men ran the vast majority of US television networks and other media companies including movies, radio, and publishing at that time. Not much has changed today.

Looking Ahead

Today we are getting the same line on Iran, from the same type of people -- Obama himself tries to be more independent, but most of the key staff and national security people in his Administration do not differ greatly on Israel and the Middle East from those of his predecessor. And the Congress has shown itself to be even more of AIPAC's lap-dog than the preceding Congress, an exercise in self-serving cowardice that admittedly has taken some doing.

But AIPAC and company are riding a tiger in America, and if they ever slip, the resulting convulsion will be catastrophic for them and for Israel. The open unfolding of the 9/11 tragedy and its ensuing wars that is now occurring can be that slip. The human cost to America to date is some 60,000 people, military and civilian, killed or wounded on 9/11 and in Iraq and Afghanistan together, with more to come once we go to war with Iran (or get dragged into it following an Israeli attack on Iran). Much of the deliberately misdirected rage that followed 9/11 has given way to endurance and grief.

But grief is a close cousin to rage, and an enraged America is not pretty, as anyone familiar with our history can appreciate. Americans are often deceptive without meaning to be. To much of the world, they often come across as naive, bumbling innocents in the world of global politics. And on a day-to-day basis, there is much truth to that.

But an enraged America is a very different character. You have only to look at what happened in WWII to German and Japanese cities, towns and villages, where America slaughtered literally millions of German and Japanese civilians -- most of them women and children -- knew it was doing it, and cared nothing at all. The goal was to crush, and restraint was not a word used much at all.

If these Americans and those like them ever fully understand just how much of their suffering -- and the suffering we have inflicted on others -- is properly laid on the doorsteps of Israel and its advocates in America, they will sweep aside those in politics, the press and the pulpits alike whose lies and disloyalty brought this about and concealed it from them. They may well leave Israel looking like Carthage after the Romans finished with it. It will be Israel’s own great fault.

LINK: http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle23460.htm
 
I have listened to the truthers and I've heard their spohomoric reactions when their arguments are shredded.

I'll give it to you the same way I give it to the birthers - you're nutjobs.
 
I have listened to the truthers and I've heard their spohomoric reactions when their arguments are shredded.

I'll give it to you the same way I give it to the birthers - you're nutjobs.

Ringel05 What is this, field day trip for patients at St Elizabeths?

what two fine examples of weak minds with weak arguments that can not support their
beliefs with facts...don't pretend you have the information or capacity to shred anyone
 
I have listened to the truthers and I've heard their spohomoric reactions when their arguments are shredded.

I'll give it to you the same way I give it to the birthers - you're nutjobs.

Ringel05 What is this, field day trip for patients at St Elizabeths?

what two fine examples of weak minds with weak arguments that can not support their
beliefs with facts...don't pretend you have the information or capacity to shred anyone

There is only one reasonable and rational response to nut jobs like you: Still sharing a room with Hinkley? If not you might want to consider it. :cuckoo:
 
I have listened to the truthers and I've heard their spohomoric reactions when their arguments are shredded.

I'll give it to you the same way I give it to the birthers - you're nutjobs.

Ringel05 What is this, field day trip for patients at St Elizabeths?

what two fine examples of weak minds with weak arguments that can not support their
beliefs with facts...don't pretend you have the information or capacity to shred anyone

There is only one reasonable and rational response to nut jobs like you: Still sharing a room with Hinkley? If not you might want to consider it. :cuckoo:

strawman.....how weak you are....so in your shit ass opinion the men who direct NORAD
TOP LEVEL NASA scientist...hall of fame major generals...the head of the depleted uranium program etc etc are all mentally ill ?...you really believe that ?
 
I have listened to the truthers and I've heard their spohomoric reactions when their arguments are shredded.

I'll give it to you the same way I give it to the birthers - you're nutjobs.

Ringel05 What is this, field day trip for patients at St Elizabeths?

what two fine examples of weak minds with weak arguments that can not support their
beliefs with facts...don't pretend you have the information or capacity to shred anyone

And YOUR facts are where, exactly, Truther?:cuckoo:
 
why waste a grenade when a nerf dart does the job ??????

:lol::lol:
I honestly made the attempt a couple of years ago on a different forum at reason. Posted the overwelming perponderance of evidence refuting the conspiracy theorist's claims. It was ignored, overlooked and/or dismissed as lies. For every one cited expert they use there are literally a hundred experts that counter those "claims". Trying it again is not worth the time or effort.
The APA (American Psychiatric Association) even has a classification for consiracy theorists. I don't remember off hand what it is called but essentially these people have a need to be at the center of those who have the "true" answer to what happened and will grasp any shred or straw they can to justify their position. They will twist or turn whatever they need to prove their claims.
 
I've seen the forensic tests, the blast tests, ther complete lack of any residual evidence that would HAVE to be there to support wacked out theories - and the biggest hoot was to hear one of them claim that the reason there is absolutely no evidence is because the culprits used technology that we don't know about ..... I guess they got it from aliens???????
 
a crime was committed that clearly involved a conspiracy be it the Bush/cheney story or something else and that crime needs to be properly investigated...but to be clear you believe these individuals all suffer from mental illness....correct ?


Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Jeff Rense Program

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."




Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 800 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career
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Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.
The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse." [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 800 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Website: MySpace - Guy - 51 - Male - Las Vegas, Isle Of Man - myspace.com/supereagle69
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
 
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a crime was commited that clearly involved a conspiracy be it the Bush/chenney story or something else
and that crime needs to be properly ivestigated...but to be clear you belive these indivduals all suffer from mental illnes....correct ?


Major Douglas Rokke, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Director U.S. Army Depleted Uranium Project. 30-year Army career.

Article 8/19/05: Regarding the impact at the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 "When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile. And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile." Jeff Rense Program

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."




Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 800 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Lt. Col. Guy S. Razer, MS Aeronautical Science, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Retired U.S. Air Force command fighter pilot. Former instructor; U.S. Air Force Fighter Weapons School and NATO’s Tactical Leadership Program. As an Air Force weapons effects expert was responsible for wartime tasking of most appropriate aircraft/munition for target destruction to include steel and concrete superstructures. Former aeronautical structures flight test engineer with McDonnell Douglas, working on advanced DC-9 autopilot systems and DC-10 flight envelope expansion stress and flutter analysis. Tactical aircraft flown: General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark fighter/bomber, McDonnell Douglas F-15E Strike Eagle, General Dynamics / Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, McDonnell Douglas F-18 Hornet, Boeing B-1 Bomber, MiG-29 (Russian fighter), and Su-22 (Russian fighter/bomber). 3,000+ fighter hours. Combat time over Iraq. 20-year Air Force career
.


Statement to this website 3/25/07: "After 4+ years of research since retirement in 2002, I am 100% convinced that the attacks of September 11, 2001 were planned, organized, and committed by treasonous perpetrators that have infiltrated the highest levels of our government. It is now time to take our country back.
The "collapse" of WTC Building 7 shows beyond any doubt that the demolitions were pre-planned. There is simply no way to demolish a 47-story building (on fire) over a coffee break. It is also impossible to report the building’s collapse before it happened, as BBC News did, unless it was pre-planned. Further damning evidence is Larry Silverstein's video taped confession in which he states "they made that decision to pull [WTC 7] and we watched the building collapse." [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

We cannot let the pursuit of justice fail. Those of us in the military took an oath to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic". Just because we have retired does not make that oath invalid, so it is not just our responsibility, it is our duty to expose the real perpetrators of 9/11 and bring them to justice, no matter how hard it is, how long it takes, or how much we have to suffer to do it.

We owe it to those who have gone before us who executed that same oath, and who are doing the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan right now. Those of us who joined the military and faithfully executed orders that were given us had to trust our leaders. The violation and abuse of that trust is not only heinous, but ultimately the most accurate definition of treason!"


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Member: Pilots for 9/11 Truth Association Statement: "Pilots for 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals and pilots throughout the globe that have gathered together for one purpose. We are committed to seeking the truth surrounding the events of the 11th of September 2001. Our main focus concentrates on the four flights, maneuvers performed and the reported pilots. We do not offer theory or point blame. However, we are focused on determining the truth of that fateful day since the United States Government doesn't seem to be very forthcoming with answers."


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 800 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Website: MySpace - Guy - 51 - Male - Las Vegas, Isle Of Man - myspace.com/supereagle69
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.

you speak of all this evidence yet produce none 6 out of 10 9/11 commission members call the investigation a sham yet this is your source....so it it your assertion the men and woman of patriotsquestion and 6/10 9/11 commission members suffer a mental illness
that is your argument...

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.

It's clear the lies, doubts, and propaganda put forth by all the inept disinformation operatives is not working. So now the next phase in the attempted communist world order take-over of the American government is to attack the health of Americans.

The poison flu shots are sure to have ingredients that affect the mind as well as the body. It seem Orwell movie 1984 is more prophectic than fictional. As a child I was so amazed how all the vicious cirus animals were tamed. I later learn they were "drugged", beat, and terrorized into obedience.

The Zionist have benefitted greatly from 9-11, people like Larry Silverstein who received 7 billion dollars for the murder of all those innocent Americans is astounding. It seems the media they control is a powerful force in the cover-up of what really happened on September, 11 2001.

Stalin, lenin, Trotsky and all the murderers they financed to take-over Russia was just the start.
It's so amazing how well they concealed the fact that stalin was a Jew.
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.

It's clear the lies, doubts, and propaganda put forth by all the inept disinformation operatives is not working. So now the next phase in the attempted communist world order take-over of the American government is to attack the health of Americans.

The poison flu shots are sure to have ingredients that affect the mind as well as the body. It seem Orwell movie 1984 is more prophectic than fictional. As a child I was so amazed how all the vicious cirus animals were tamed. I later learn they were "drugged", beat, and terrorized into obedience.

The Zionist have benefitted greatly from 9-11, people like Larry Silverstein who received 7 billion dollars for the murder of all those innocent Americans is astounding. It seems the media they control is a powerful force in the cover-up of what really happened on September, 11 2001.

Stalin, lenin, Trotsky and all the murderers they financed to take-over Russia was just the start.
It's so amazing how well they concealed the fact that stalin was a Jew.

Just as I thought, Bush bombed the lunatic asylums and they all escaped.
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.

It's clear the lies, doubts, and propaganda put forth by all the inept disinformation operatives is not working. So now the next phase in the attempted communist world order take-over of the American government is to attack the health of Americans.

The poison flu shots are sure to have ingredients that affect the mind as well as the body. It seem Orwell movie 1984 is more prophectic than fictional. As a child I was so amazed how all the vicious cirus animals were tamed. I later learn they were "drugged", beat, and terrorized into obedience.

The Zionist have benefitted greatly from 9-11, people like Larry Silverstein who received 7 billion dollars for the murder of all those innocent Americans is astounding. It seems the media they control is a powerful force in the cover-up of what really happened on September, 11 2001.

Stalin, lenin, Trotsky and all the murderers they financed to take-over Russia was just the start.
It's so amazing how well they concealed the fact that stalin was a Jew.

Just as I thought, Bush bombed the lunatic asylums and they all escaped.

and inane comments are about the maximum capability you have to debate the issue

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report ...unlike these gentlemen
 
a prime example - arguments torn to shreds - the truther just repeats the same garbage as if the MOUNTAIN of contradictory evidence hasn't settled the issue.

I think you're right - it's a mental disorder.

It's clear the lies, doubts, and propaganda put forth by all the inept disinformation operatives is not working. So now the next phase in the attempted communist world order take-over of the American government is to attack the health of Americans.

The poison flu shots are sure to have ingredients that affect the mind as well as the body. It seem Orwell movie 1984 is more prophectic than fictional. As a child I was so amazed how all the vicious cirus animals were tamed. I later learn they were "drugged", beat, and terrorized into obedience.

The Zionist have benefitted greatly from 9-11, people like Larry Silverstein who received 7 billion dollars for the murder of all those innocent Americans is astounding. It seems the media they control is a powerful force in the cover-up of what really happened on September, 11 2001.

Stalin, lenin, Trotsky and all the murderers they financed to take-over Russia was just the start.
It's so amazing how well they concealed the fact that stalin was a Jew.

the world elite from Saudis to the royals and American industrialist...benefited greatly from 9/11
 
It's clear the lies, doubts, and propaganda put forth by all the inept disinformation operatives is not working. So now the next phase in the attempted communist world order take-over of the American government is to attack the health of Americans.

The poison flu shots are sure to have ingredients that affect the mind as well as the body. It seem Orwell movie 1984 is more prophectic than fictional. As a child I was so amazed how all the vicious cirus animals were tamed. I later learn they were "drugged", beat, and terrorized into obedience.

The Zionist have benefitted greatly from 9-11, people like Larry Silverstein who received 7 billion dollars for the murder of all those innocent Americans is astounding. It seems the media they control is a powerful force in the cover-up of what really happened on September, 11 2001.

Stalin, lenin, Trotsky and all the murderers they financed to take-over Russia was just the start.
It's so amazing how well they concealed the fact that stalin was a Jew.

Just as I thought, Bush bombed the lunatic asylums and they all escaped.

and inane comments are about the maximum capability you have to debate the issue

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report ...unlike these gentlemen


Like I pointed out earlier (and you chose to ignore) I don't have the time or desire to rehash the proof nut cases like you refuse to accept. So my response is appropriate for the level of sanity and reason you show. Now go take another bong hit, drop some more acid and fantasize that you and your "musings" are relevent.
 
Just as I thought, Bush bombed the lunatic asylums and they all escaped.

and inane comments are about the maximum capability you have to debate the issue

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report ...unlike these gentlemen


Like I pointed out earlier (and you chose to ignore) I don't have the time or desire to rehash the proof nut cases like you refuse to accept. So my response is appropriate for the level of sanity and reason you show. Now go take another bong hit, drop some more acid and fantasize that you and your "musings" are relevent.

What a cope out! The facts are Americans are on to you "Israelis" that by way of "deception" you think you can take-over the government through the Federal government/Federal reserve and strip Americans of freedom, the rule of law, our liberties, and our Constitution.

Just take over the pentagon and use our own military against us in a classic communist coup....right?
Just load up the military with mexicans, and other foreigners looking for a fast track to citizenship, while looting the treasury for Wall st/Zionist and calling it a stimulus.

You have it backward those with clear informed minds are on to you Israelis and all trouble you have caused for this nation and the world. You have no cover.
 

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