Treason and the Constitution

[OohPooPahDoo]

When the President orders anyone to be assassinated even if they are declared a terrorist they will be violating that person Constitutional right for due process, without a trial by his peers, or Testimony of two Witnesses. Further more Congress is the body that is to decide punishment not the president.
Art. 3 Section 3 states

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Osama Bin Laden was a military target. There's no evidence he made an attempt to surrender. He had almost 10 years to surrender - the fact that the SEALS shot him in the head before he could think "WTF, maybe I should give up?" is his problem. Its their job to eliminate military targets with the lowest risk to civilian life and their own lives possible, and they executed that nearly flawlessly.

Bin Laden was not a U.S. Citizen

Right - and thus cannot commit treason against the US.

Can a resident who is not a citizen commit an act of treason? Does merely being a resident of the U.S. imply allegiance?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Osama Bin Laden was a military target. There's no evidence he made an attempt to surrender. He had almost 10 years to surrender - the fact that the SEALS shot him in the head before he could think "WTF, maybe I should give up?" is his problem. Its their job to eliminate military targets with the lowest risk to civilian life and their own lives possible, and they executed that nearly flawlessly.

Bin Laden was not a U.S. Citizen

Right - and thus cannot commit treason against the US.

Can a resident who is not a citizen commit an act of treason? Does merely being a resident of the U.S. imply allegiance?

But obama has given the order to have a U.S. CITIZEN MUDERED.

 

[konradv]

Bin Laden was not a U.S. Citizen

Right - and thus cannot commit treason against the US.

Can a resident who is not a citizen commit an act of treason? Does merely being a resident of the U.S. imply allegiance?

But obama has given the order to have a U.S. CITIZEN MUDERED.

You haven't proved they are citizens. One step at a time. One step at a time.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Right - and thus cannot commit treason against the US.

Can a resident who is not a citizen commit an act of treason? Does merely being a resident of the U.S. imply allegiance?

But obama has given the order to have a U.S. CITIZEN MUDERED.

You haven't proved they are citizens. One step at a time. One step at a time.

al-Aulaqi was a U.S. Citizen, now you stumbled like a baby taking it's first steps.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have your opinion, for what it is worth: not much by itself.

Now give us some SCOTUS opinions that support your opinion, please.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You have your opinion, for what it is worth: not much by itself.

Now give us some SCOTUS opinions that support your opinion, please.

What the fuck are you blathering about and to who extreme leftist.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am a true Republican while you are the far right wack RINO. That is why I seem a leftist to you, oh myopic one.

Do you have anything to support your opinion, bigreb?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am a true Republican while you are the far right wack RINO. That is why I seem a leftist to you, oh myopic one.

Do you have anything to support your opinion, bigreb?

You are a horses ass more than you are a republican. You are a far far extreme leftist your words give you away and those who give you thanks.

 

[hortysir]

That would be a "No"

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is the result of bigreb believing that opinion is proof. In all fairness, bigreb has improved in the last 18 months from semi-literacy to a high school writing ability. He is incredibly weak in third and fourth level analysis, and his critical thinking skills thus are deficient.

 

[Intense]

True enough, but what does that have to do with "treason and the Constitution"?

It has everything to do with it. The president has no authority to have an American citizen assassinated

But they're not citizens.

"U.S. citizenship could be forfeited upon the undertaking of various acts, including naturalization in a foreign state or service in foreign armed forces" Al Qaeda?

United States nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Due Process?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It has everything to do with it. The president has no authority to have an American citizen assassinated

But they're not citizens.

"U.S. citizenship could be forfeited upon the undertaking of various acts, including naturalization in a foreign state or service in foreign armed forces" Al Qaeda?

United States nationality law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Due Process?

Thats right

 

[peach174]

Treason with absolute proof , yes that person can be put to death.

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Treason with absolute proof , yes that person can be put to death.

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned.

What trial did the assassinated person face?

 

[Mr. President]

You don't get a trial if you are killed while planning an act of terrorism. You get........................ killed

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You don't get a trial if you are killed while planning an act of terrorism. You get........................ killed

You don't assassinate an American citizen either you have due process and he was deprived of that.

 

[peach174]

Treason with absolute proof , yes that person can be put to death.

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned.

Anwar al-Awlaki has in videos cast his lot with al Qaeda and its extremist allies. Anwar al-Awlaki was acting as a regional commander for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

He was commander of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
When he did that he lost his constitutional rights, and became a trator to his country.
He was an enemy combatent who is at war with us and we had the right to kill him.

Anwar al-Awlaki came to study in the US, he came on a foreign student visa. You see, even though al-Awlaki was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, his parents were not American citizens. In fact, after his father completed his studies here, the family returned to Yemen. Anwar would not even be considered a 14th Amendment citizen, which states "All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Anwar's parents were never US citizens, nor did they intend to become citizens; neither did his parents have "a permanent domicile and residence in the United States," which is the standard according to the Supreme court decision in United States vs Wong Kim Ark.

According to the State Department, there are different rules, and, since al-Awlaki came to the US on a scholarship from Yemen, we can assume that he renounced his US citizenship, because Yemen does not recognize dual citizenship. Furthermore, his father was the Agriculture Minister in Yemen. Otherwise, why would al-Awlaki have come on a foreign student visa to study in Colorado in 1991?


There was this guy too!
Adam Yahiye Gadahn

An American-born convert to Islam, Adam Yahiye Gadahn (aka, “Azzam the American&#8221 threatened a terrorist attack on Los Angeles in a 2005 Al Qaeda video. As a full-on member of their “media committee”, Gadahn served Al Qaeda as translator, video producer, cultural interpreter and spokesman. His zeal in their propaganda was cartoonish in its intensity, but all too real. After Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri endorsed the videos—some of which referred to the United States as “enemy soil”–the Justice Department indicted Gadahn, the first American accused of treason since World War Two. It is widely believed that “Azzam the American” is now “Azzam the Dead American”; following reports that he was killed by a Predator drone in January 2008.

 

[Mr. President]

He was deprived of no such thing. On multiple occasions he evaded escape continued to support and help plan attacks on American troops. He and his entourage were legit targets. I say good call Mr. President sending in the armed drones to take the whole lot of them out.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

He was deprived of no such thing. On multiple occasions he evaded escape continued to support and help plan attacks on American troops. He and his entourage were legit targets. I say good call Mr. President sending in the armed drones to take the whole lot of them out.

When was he tried big ear dumbo?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Treason with absolute proof , yes that person can be put to death.

United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states "whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned.

Anwar al-Awlaki has in videos cast his lot with al Qaeda and its extremist allies. Anwar al-Awlaki was acting as a regional commander for al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

He was commander of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
When he did that he lost his constitutional rights, and became a trator to his country.
He was an enemy combatent who is at war with us and we had the right to kill him.

Anwar al-Awlaki came to study in the US, he came on a foreign student visa. You see, even though al-Awlaki was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico, his parents were not American citizens. In fact, after his father completed his studies here, the family returned to Yemen. Anwar would not even be considered a 14th Amendment citizen, which states "All person born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Anwar's parents were never US citizens, nor did they intend to become citizens; neither did his parents have "a permanent domicile and residence in the United States," which is the standard according to the Supreme court decision in United States vs Wong Kim Ark.

According to the State Department, there are different rules, and, since al-Awlaki came to the US on a scholarship from Yemen, we can assume that he renounced his US citizenship, because Yemen does not recognize dual citizenship. Furthermore, his father was the Agriculture Minister in Yemen. Otherwise, why would al-Awlaki have come on a foreign student visa to study in Colorado in 1991?


There was this guy too!
Adam Yahiye Gadahn

An American-born convert to Islam, Adam Yahiye Gadahn (aka, “Azzam the American&#8221 threatened a terrorist attack on Los Angeles in a 2005 Al Qaeda video. As a full-on member of their “media committee”, Gadahn served Al Qaeda as translator, video producer, cultural interpreter and spokesman. His zeal in their propaganda was cartoonish in its intensity, but all too real. After Al Qaeda leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri endorsed the videos—some of which referred to the United States as “enemy soil”–the Justice Department indicted Gadahn, the first American accused of treason since World War Two. It is widely believed that “Azzam the American” is now “Azzam the Dead American”; following reports that he was killed by a Predator drone in January 2008.

Was he tried?

Article 3
Section 3 - Treason

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#A3Sec3