CDZ Transgender in the Military Debate

[jwoodie]

Just who are we talking about? Someone who "identifies" with the opposite sex? Someone who acts like or dresses like the opposite sex? Does this involve desiring sexual relations with the same/opposite sex? Someone who has had or wants a sex change operation and/or hormonal therapy?

Are these good candidates for the military? What if they claim to be female but display male genitalia during their medical examination? Do they get to pick whether they are treated as men or women? What if they conceal their gender dysphoria until after they are inducted and then demand reassignment and/or medical procedures? Should the military be obligated to accommodate their desires?

It seems to me that there are a lot more questions to be answered rather than simplistically asking whether they should be discriminated against. Thoughts?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Can’t locate any concern, but hey, at least it takes the focus off this stuff about ourselves:

Incidents of rape in military much higher than previously reported

Rape in the US military: America's dirty little secret

Stop Military Rape: 1 in 3 Women Raped in the Military

And since all we do with our military now is colonize the resources and determine to governments of other nations, I'm fine with nothing but good christian white boys dying for that shit.

 

[skye]

It all boils down to this.

So simple even a four year old understands the concept.

 

[Penelope]

No its not that simple.

 

[skye]

No its not that simple.

Only if you want to make it complicated.

 

[Penelope]

No its not that simple.

Only if you want to make it complicated.

Its too complicated for simple minds.

 

[jwoodie]

Why not just answer my questions?

 

[skye]

No its not that simple.

Only if you want to make it complicated.

Its too complicated for simple minds.

C'mon Penelope....you know I'm right. Stop it.

 

[skye]

Why not just answer my questions?

I did answer you, jwoodie!

 

[task0778]

First of all, the military is not the place to conduct social justice or be concerned about political correctness. The ultimate job of those who serve in the military is to fight wars, and war is not the place for anyone who is mentally, emotionally, or physically confused or in turmoil. Which many transgender people are according to several studies.

Why Trump Keeping Trans People From The Military Is A Good Decision

The science is not settled on the effectiveness of gender transitioning, which is a good reason to resist forcing taxpayers to pay for what is quite likely to turn out to harm rather than help gender dysphoric people. Peer-reviewed studies have demonstrated a need for caution. After reassignment surgery, people still have excessive high rates of suicide attempts and unresolved mental disorders, indicating that changing genders is not effective in improving the lives of individuals who suffer with gender dysphoria.

Transgender Regret Is Real Even If The Media Says Otherwise

In 2004, an article in The Guardian reported that a review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals found gender reassignment was not effective and in fact, many patients remain traumatized and suicidal afterwards. Chris Hyde, the director of the research facility, said: “There is a huge uncertainty over whether changing someone’s sex is a good or a bad thing. While no doubt great care is taken to ensure that appropriate patients undergo gender reassignment, there’s still a large number of people who have the surgery but remain traumatized – often to the point of committing suicide.”

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

In 2009, researchers found that 90 percent of the last 10 patients at their gender clinic had at least one other significant form of psychopathology, a key factor in a person’s fitness for military service. They said, “This finding seems to be in marked contrast to the public, forensic, and professional rhetoric of many who care for transgendered adults.” The researchers also said that “Such clinical certainty would have to be based on carefully established sophisticated follow-up findings. These are lacking.”

Meanings and political implications of "psychopathology" in a gender identity clinic: a report of 10 cases. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[jwoodie]

Just who are we talking about?

1. Someone who "identifies" with the opposite sex?

2. Someone who acts like or dresses like the opposite sex?

3. Does this involve desiring sexual relations with the same/opposite sex?

4. Someone who has had or wants a sex change operation and/or hormonal therapy?

5. Are these good candidates for the military?

6.What if they claim to be female but display male genitalia during their medical examination?

7. Do they get to pick whether they are treated as men or women?

8. What if they conceal their gender dysphoria until after they are inducted and then demand reassignment and/or medical procedures?

9. Should the military be obligated to accommodate their desires?

 

[BlackFlag]

I suspect nothing will come of this and it's just another instance of Trump saying something for the sake of throwing some scraps to his rabid base of inbreds. Nobody knows what he's talking about and neither does he.

 

[task0778]

Just who are we talking about? Someone who "identifies" with the opposite sex? Someone who acts like or dresses like the opposite sex? Does this involve desiring sexual relations with the same/opposite sex? Someone who has had or wants a sex change operation and/or hormonal therapy?

Are these good candidates for the military? What if they claim to be female but display male genitalia during their medical examination? Do they get to pick whether they are treated as men or women? What if they conceal their gender dysphoria until after they are inducted and then demand reassignment and/or medical procedures? Should the military be obligated to accommodate their desires?

It seems to me that there are a lot more questions to be answered rather than simplistically asking whether they should be discriminated against. Thoughts?

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone. If you've got a dick you are treated as a man, and if you've got a pussy then you're treated as a woman, end of story. If you have a problem with that, you're gone. If you lied during induction and then later come out with your true nature then you get kicked out, simple as that. Fraudulent enlistment, it used to be called. In my view the military is under no obligation whatsoever to accomodate anybody's desires, especially if they lied to get in.

Any other questions?

 

[BlackFlag]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

 

[task0778]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

 

[BlackFlag]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

You don't think the draft pertains to a nation's military?

 

[task0778]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

You don't think the draft pertains to a nation's military?

Not any more, and not with respect to transgender people.

 

[BlackFlag]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

You don't think the draft pertains to a nation's military?

Not any more

Then why are all men forced to register for selective service between 18 and 25? Well, not anymore I guess, if they just claim they think they're a woman.

 

[task0778]

Here's the deal: every person gets a medical examination prior to induction into the military. So if you've got one set of sexual equipment but tell the doctors you're actually another, that's it you're gone.

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

You don't think the draft pertains to a nation's military?

Not any more

Then why are all men forced to register for selective service between 18 and 25? Well, not anymore I guess, if they just claim they think they're a woman.

No good reason IMHO. I think it's a waste of time and money. Which still has nothing to do with Trump's decision not to allow transgenders into the military.

 

[BlackFlag]

Trump might have just ensured there will never be a draft again. Just say you think you're the opposite sex, the recruiter will say "ew," and you go home and play some video games.

Shouldn't be a draft ever again anyway. And what does the chances for a future draft have to do with the topic?

You don't think the draft pertains to a nation's military?

Not any more

Then why are all men forced to register for selective service between 18 and 25? Well, not anymore I guess, if they just claim they think they're a woman.

No good reason IMHO. I think it's a waste of time and money. Which still has nothing to do with Trump's decision not to allow transgenders into the military.

We don't even know if that's his decision, since it was a tweet and he ends up backpedaling on most of the nonsense he says anyways.

I wonder how he'll enforce it. Who's he going to hire to fondle soldiers to check what their gear is? Is he going to ask soldiers to examine each other's crotches before going into battle?