CDZ Transgender in the Military Debate

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    Just who are we talking about? Someone who "identifies" with the opposite sex? Someone who acts like or dresses like the opposite sex? Does this involve desiring sexual relations with the same/opposite sex? Someone who has had or wants a sex change operation and/or hormonal therapy?

    Are these good candidates for the military? What if they claim to be female but display male genitalia during their medical examination? Do they get to pick whether they are treated as men or women? What if they conceal their gender dysphoria until after they are inducted and then demand reassignment and/or medical procedures? Should the military be obligated to accommodate their desires?

    It seems to me that there are a lot more questions to be answered rather than simplistically asking whether they should be discriminated against. Thoughts?
     
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    It all boils down to this.

    So simple even a four year old understands the concept. ;)






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    No its not that simple.
     
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    Only if you want to make it complicated.
     
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    Its too complicated for simple minds.
     
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    Why not just answer my questions?
     
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    C'mon Penelope....you know I'm right. Stop it.
     
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    I did answer you, jwoodie! :dunno:
     
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    First of all, the military is not the place to conduct social justice or be concerned about political correctness. The ultimate job of those who serve in the military is to fight wars, and war is not the place for anyone who is mentally, emotionally, or physically confused or in turmoil. Which many transgender people are according to several studies.

    Why Trump Keeping Trans People From The Military Is A Good Decision

    The science is not settled on the effectiveness of gender transitioning, which is a good reason to resist forcing taxpayers to pay for what is quite likely to turn out to harm rather than help gender dysphoric people. Peer-reviewed studies have demonstrated a need for caution. After reassignment surgery, people still have excessive high rates of suicide attempts and unresolved mental disorders, indicating that changing genders is not effective in improving the lives of individuals who suffer with gender dysphoria.

    Transgender Regret Is Real Even If The Media Says Otherwise

    In 2004, an article in The Guardian reported that a review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals found gender reassignment was not effective and in fact, many patients remain traumatized and suicidal afterwards. Chris Hyde, the director of the research facility, said: “There is a huge uncertainty over whether changing someone’s sex is a good or a bad thing. While no doubt great care is taken to ensure that appropriate patients undergo gender reassignment, there’s still a large number of people who have the surgery but remain traumatized – often to the point of committing suicide.”

    Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

    In 2009, researchers found that 90 percent of the last 10 patients at their gender clinic had at least one other significant form of psychopathology, a key factor in a person’s fitness for military service. They said, “This finding seems to be in marked contrast to the public, forensic, and professional rhetoric of many who care for transgendered adults.” The researchers also said that “Such clinical certainty would have to be based on carefully established sophisticated follow-up findings. These are lacking.”


    Meanings and political implications of "psychopathology" in a gender identity clinic: a report of 10 cases. - PubMed - NCBI
     
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