Trans Atlantic slave trade.Truth about slavery. Black woman response to spike racist lee's ignorance

[Theowl32]

How can so called educated people still claim blacks were "stolen" from Africa by white Europeans.

She has it right and unfortunately black (patronizing) so called history month leaves a whole hell of a lot out in regards to history.

Especially about the Trans Sahara slave trade which morphed into the Trans Atlantic slave trade.

Meaning, nearly every single slave shipped to America, were in fact slaves already.

The world laughs at our ignorance for a reason.

 

[IM2]

That is not true. Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

 

[Theowl32]

That is not true. Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

Explain what is not true. Go ahead. You think whites showed up to Africa with nets and kidnapped blacks? If so, then you are a true idiot.

 

[IM2]

That is not true. Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

Explain what is not true. Go ahead. You think whites showed up to Africa with nets and kidnapped blacks? If so, then you are a true idiot.

None of it is true. It's the standard disingenuous conservative argument.

African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Defensive Strategies - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Armed Struggle in Africa and in the Middle Passage - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
U.S. Slave Trade - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Essays - The Abolition of The Slave Trade

Did We Sell Each Other Into Slavery: Misconceptions About the African Involvement in the Slave Trade
Dwayne Wong (Omowale), Contributor
Dwayne is the author of several books on African and African Diaspora history.

There are many misconceptions about African history and nowhere is this more true than the topic of the slave trade. Very often I see comments by people who argue that Africans sold each other into slavery. There is some element of truth to this, but to speak of the slave trade solely as Africans selling each other t is a gross oversimplification of what was a complex historical event. This also seems to be an attempt to shift the burden of the slave trade on the victims of that very trade. In How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Walter Rodney mentions how the white author of a book on the slave trade admitted that he was encouraged by other scholars to blame the slave trade solely on the Africans. This narrative helps to lessen European guilt by making Africans seem just as or even more guilty of being involved in the slave trade. This piece is not an attempt to ignore the African role in the slave trade or to absolve those that were involved, but to to provide a more complete picture of the African involvement in slave trade.

In the first place, the Portuguese initiated what eventually became the Trans-Atlantic slave trade mainly through slave raids along the coasts of Africa. The first of these raids came in 1444 and was led by Lançarote de Freitas. The problem with raiding for slaves was that it was extremely dangerous. For instance, the slave trader Nuno Tristão was killed during an ambush. Slave raiding proved to be an extremely dangerous way to obtain slaves, but buying slaves was much safer and took less effort on the part of the Europeans. Therefore, the first phase of the slave trade began not with a trade, but with a series of raids. This point is especially important because although the slave trade was on some levels based on a partnership between European buyers and African traders, the slave trade did not begin as such.

Typically wars in West Africa were relatively short affairs that left a small number of causalities. The introduction of European weapons made these wars more drawn out and destructive affairs. Moreover, the only way Africans could acquire these firearms was through the trade of slaves. A king of Dahomey once requested that Europeans establish a firearms factory in his nation, but this request went ignored. Firearms became necessary for African nations to defend themselves both from African rivals as well as from European intrusion, but the only way to acquire these weapons was through the slave trade. This situation only benefited the competing European powers that were able to play Africans against each other.

Some Africans did play a role in the slave trade and the trade could not have been as large as it was without cooperation from Africans. With that being said, I think many people who have not properly studied the slave trade have a tendency to overstate how involved Africans were in a misguided attempt to shift the blame of the slave trade on Africans.

Did We Sell Each Other Into Slavery: Misconceptions About the African Involvement in the Slave Trade | HuffPost

 

[Theowl32]

That is not true. Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

Explain what is not true. Go ahead. You think whites showed up to Africa with nets and kidnapped blacks? If so, then you are a true idiot.

None of it is true. It's the standard disingenuous conservative argument.

African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Defensive Strategies - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Armed Struggle in Africa and in the Middle Passage - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
U.S. Slave Trade - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Essays - The Abolition of The Slave Trade

There are many misconceptions about African history and nowhere is this more true than the topic of the slave trade. Very often I see comments by people who argue that Africans sold each other into slavery. There is some element of truth to this, but to speak of the slave trade solely as Africans selling each other t is a gross oversimplification of what was a complex historical event. This also seems to be an attempt to shift the burden of the slave trade on the victims of that very trade. In How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Walter Rodney mentions how the white author of a book on the slave trade admitted that he was encouraged by other scholars to blame the slave trade solely on the Africans. This narrative helps to lessen European guilt by making Africans seem just as or even more guilty of being involved in the slave trade. This piece is not an attempt to ignore the African role in the slave trade or to absolve those that were involved, but to to provide a more complete picture of the African involvement in slave trade.

In the first place, the Portuguese initiated what eventually became the Trans-Atlantic slave trade mainly through slave raids along the coasts of Africa. The first of these raids came in 1444 and was led by Lançarote de Freitas. The problem with raiding for slaves was that it was extremely dangerous. For instance, the slave trader Nuno Tristão was killed during an ambush. Slave raiding proved to be an extremely dangerous way to obtain slaves, but buying slaves was much safer and took less effort on the part of the Europeans. Therefore, the first phase of the slave trade began not with a trade, but with a series of raids. This point is especially important because although the slave trade was on some levels based on a partnership between European buyers and African traders, the slave trade did not begin as such.

Typically wars in West Africa were relatively short affairs that left a small number of causalities. The introduction of European weapons made these wars more drawn out and destructive affairs. Moreover, the only way Africans could acquire these firearms was through the trade of slaves. A king of Dahomey once requested that Europeans establish a firearms factory in his nation, but this request went ignored. Firearms became necessary for African nations to defend themselves both from African rivals as well as from European intrusion, but the only way to acquire these weapons was through the slave trade. This situation only benefited the competing European powers that were able to play Africans against each other.

Some Africans did play a role in the slave trade and the trade could not have been as large as it was without cooperation from Africans. With that being said, I think many people who have not properly studied the slave trade have a tendency to overstate how involved Africans were in a misguided attempt to shift the blame of the slave trade on Africans.

Did We Sell Each Other Into Slavery: Misconceptions About the African Involvement in the Slave Trade | HuffPost

You ignorant ass. The Trans Sahara slave trade was going on for at least 700 years before Europe got involved in the 1400s. It was a very well established industry and warlords started trading with Europe (Portugal) for weapons to expand their territories. The Trans Sahara slave trade was blacks trading blacks.

This won't be for you, since you need to see yourself as the perpetual victim.


You sure as shit don't want to discuss the Barbary Coast slave trade do you?



1.5 million Europeans enslaved by AFRICANS.

 

[IM2]

That is not true. Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

Explain what is not true. Go ahead. You think whites showed up to Africa with nets and kidnapped blacks? If so, then you are a true idiot.

None of it is true. It's the standard disingenuous conservative argument.

African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Defensive Strategies - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Armed Struggle in Africa and in the Middle Passage - African Resistance - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
U.S. Slave Trade - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
Essays - The Abolition of The Slave Trade

There are many misconceptions about African history and nowhere is this more true than the topic of the slave trade. Very often I see comments by people who argue that Africans sold each other into slavery. There is some element of truth to this, but to speak of the slave trade solely as Africans selling each other t is a gross oversimplification of what was a complex historical event. This also seems to be an attempt to shift the burden of the slave trade on the victims of that very trade. In How Europe Underdeveloped Africa, Walter Rodney mentions how the white author of a book on the slave trade admitted that he was encouraged by other scholars to blame the slave trade solely on the Africans. This narrative helps to lessen European guilt by making Africans seem just as or even more guilty of being involved in the slave trade. This piece is not an attempt to ignore the African role in the slave trade or to absolve those that were involved, but to to provide a more complete picture of the African involvement in slave trade.

In the first place, the Portuguese initiated what eventually became the Trans-Atlantic slave trade mainly through slave raids along the coasts of Africa. The first of these raids came in 1444 and was led by Lançarote de Freitas. The problem with raiding for slaves was that it was extremely dangerous. For instance, the slave trader Nuno Tristão was killed during an ambush. Slave raiding proved to be an extremely dangerous way to obtain slaves, but buying slaves was much safer and took less effort on the part of the Europeans. Therefore, the first phase of the slave trade began not with a trade, but with a series of raids. This point is especially important because although the slave trade was on some levels based on a partnership between European buyers and African traders, the slave trade did not begin as such.

Typically wars in West Africa were relatively short affairs that left a small number of causalities. The introduction of European weapons made these wars more drawn out and destructive affairs. Moreover, the only way Africans could acquire these firearms was through the trade of slaves. A king of Dahomey once requested that Europeans establish a firearms factory in his nation, but this request went ignored. Firearms became necessary for African nations to defend themselves both from African rivals as well as from European intrusion, but the only way to acquire these weapons was through the slave trade. This situation only benefited the competing European powers that were able to play Africans against each other.

Some Africans did play a role in the slave trade and the trade could not have been as large as it was without cooperation from Africans. With that being said, I think many people who have not properly studied the slave trade have a tendency to overstate how involved Africans were in a misguided attempt to shift the blame of the slave trade on Africans.

Did We Sell Each Other Into Slavery: Misconceptions About the African Involvement in the Slave Trade | HuffPost

You ignorant ass. The Trans Sahara slave trade was going on for at least 700 years before Europe got involved in the 1400s. It was a very well established industry and warlords started trading with Europe (Portugal) for weapons to expand their territories. The Trans Sahara slave trade was blacks trading blacks.

This won't be for you, since you need to see yourself as the perpetual victim.


You sure as shit don't want to discuss the Barbary Coast slave trade do you?



1.5 million Europeans enslaved by AFRICANS.

I know about the trans Saharan slave trade and that's why I am saying that nothing you said was right.

The relationship between the Trans-Saharan trade and the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade

I really think you are the ignorant one. You talk about 1.5 million whites enslaved.
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Overall Number of Slaves Transported to the Americas
There is no exact count for the number of Africans transported to the Americas. Scholars estimate that between 9 and 12 million Africans were transported to the Americas.

Overview of the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade
Slavery has been rife throughout all of ancient history. Most, if not all, ancient civilizations practiced this institution and it is described (and defended) in early writings of the Sumerians, Babylonians, and Egyptians. It was also practiced by early societies in Central America and Africa.

Why did the trade begin? After Muhammad’s (the founder of Islam) death in 632AD, his followers quickly spread out from Arabia across North Africa and into Europe. As the Islamic Empire expanded, many of its inhabitants became very wealthy. The Islamic trade began during the 700’s. Like many ancient civilizations, slavery was not seen as evil, but as a part of social order; it was very prestigious to own slaves. As a result of the newfound wealth and the attitude towards slavery, the demand for slaves increased.

How were slaves obtained? Slaves were obtained through:

1. conquest
2. tribute from weaker states:
3. some states were required to provide hundreds of male and female slaves
4. offspring: children of slaves were also slaves
5. purchase: this provided the majority of slaves

Many African slaves were purchased at the borders of the Islamic Empire. This was done for several reasons:

1. The Muslim holy book, the Qur'an, prescribes a humanitarian approach to slavery: free men could not be enslaved, those faithful to foreign religions could live as protected persons, dhimmis, under Muslim rule (as long as they maintained payment of taxes). People from outside the borders of the Islamic Empire were considered an acceptable source of slaves. 2. Eunuchs, or male slaves that were mutilated so they could not have children, were prized slaves. It was believed that they made the best bodyguards. However, Islamic law did not allow mutilation of slaves, so it was done before they crossed the border.

The majority of these slaves were captured by other Africans in the interior and brought to the borders of the Islamic Empire to be sold in markets.

Black Africans were transported to the Islamic empire across the Sahara to Morocco and Tunisia from West Africa, from Chad to Libya, along the Nile from East Africa, and up the coast of East Africa to the Persian Gulf. This trade had been well going on for over 600 years before Europeans arrived, and had driven the rapid expansion of Islam across North Africa.

How were slaves treated? The law required owners to treat slaves well, provide medical treatment, and prohibited slave owners from taking young children from their mothers. Despite these protections, a slave had no right to be heard in court (testimony was forbidden by slaves), had no right to property, could marry only with permission of their owner, and was considered to be chattel – or an owner’s property. Conversion to Islam did not automatically give a slave freedom nor did it give freedom to their children. While highly educated slaves and those in the military did win their freedom, those used for basic duties rarely achieved freedom.

Sources: BBC - Religions - Islam: Slavery in Islam

Learn What Role Islam Played in African Slavery

http://africanhistory.about.com/od/slavery/a/IslamRoleSlavery02.htm

You seem to think that all you need to do is try showing your perception of African slavery as an argument to absolve whites of their continuing racism. Number 1, whites bought the slaves. Number 2, whites made slavery legal here. The next problem your silly argument tries to infer is slavery ended and all was good. We were freed from slavery even though we received no compensatory repair for the economic damages caused. Furthermore you ignore the 100 years after slavery as well as modern forms of racism like calling someone a perpetual victim for pointing out reality.

Now would you like to explain how blacks in America created Jim Crow too?

 

[AveryJarhman]

Did We Sell Each Other Into Slavery: Misconceptions About the African Involvement in the Slave Trade
Dwayne Wong (Omowale), Contributor
Dwayne is the author of several books on African and African Diaspora history.

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Peace.

 

[IM2]

stuff white people do
The ways of white folks, I mean, some white folks . . . (Langston Hughes)

The Arab trader argument is my name for an argument white Americans often use to defend the evil they do in the world. It goes like this: if white Americans do something evil and terrible it is all right – or at least not all that bad – so long as they can find at least one example from world history of someone else doing the same thing. Thus the Atlantic slave trade was not so bad because Arabs traders sold slaves too!

See how it works? Pretty cool trick.

Not!

The thing is utterly morally bankrupt. It is the everyone-does-it argument that we tried when we were eight. Our mothers did not buy it then and it does not work now – except maybe for the morally blind.

But that is just what many white Americans seem to be: morally blind. They know the evil that is done in their name, not just in the past but even now, but they do not want to see it. And when they are faced with it, they try to excuse it with stuff like this.

Maybe moral blindness leads to morally broken thinking – or is it the other way round?

It would be like if I robbed a bank and then said, “People rob banks all the time, what is the big deal?” Or if I slept with someone’s wife and I said, “Your wife had an affair two years ago. See! I am not that bad. Why are you angry at me?”

Do you see how shameless this kind of argument is?

It amazes me that anyone even tries it, for two reasons:

1. That anyone would waste more than two seconds trying to excuse something so clearly evil, like the slave trade, the Japanese American prison camps, racism, etc.
2. That they would try to use such a bad argument with a straight face and not see just how bad it is.

But they do it.

It seems to bring comfort to them, but that comfort is completely one-sided. It brings no comfort to those who have to suffer their evil. Like when the Jews were being sent to the death camps, did it bring any comfort to them to know that the Turks killed over a million Armenians?

Forms of this argument:

• This is the way we have always done it
• Blacks do it too
• Blacks are racist too
• There will always be racists

Right and wrong are not determined or proved by what everyone does, much less by what some people do, like Arab traders. That would just excuse everyone to sink to the lowest, meanest, most evil levels of behaviour.

A simple and far better way to determine right and wrong, without getting deep into religion or philosophy, is the Golden Rule, which is not “Do unto others as some others have done,” as the Arab trader argument would have it, but “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Acts of racism fail this test by their very nature.

stuff white people do: derail dialogues on race with the arab trader argument

 

[cwise76]

How can so called educated people still claim blacks were "stolen" from Africa by white Europeans.

She has it right and unfortunately black (patronizing) so called history month leaves a whole hell of a lot out in regards to history.

Especially about the Trans Sahara slave trade which morphed into the Trans Atlantic slave trade.

Meaning, nearly every single slave shipped to America, were in fact slaves already.

The world laughs at our ignorance for a reason.

Go back to your hole....what a bunch of horse shit

 

[harmonica]

Spike Lee is like a lot of them--hypocritical and racist

 

[Theowl32]

How can so called educated people still claim blacks were "stolen" from Africa by white Europeans.

She has it right and unfortunately black (patronizing) so called history month leaves a whole hell of a lot out in regards to history.

Especially about the Trans Sahara slave trade which morphed into the Trans Atlantic slave trade.

Meaning, nearly every single slave shipped to America, were in fact slaves already.

The world laughs at our ignorance for a reason.

Go back to your hole....what a bunch of horse shit

Which part of it is "horse shit" you fucking ignorant illiterate moron?

What's the matter? Truth hurt you dumb fuck?

You stupid fucking illiterate cocksucking ignorant racist piece of shit.

Keep thinking whites kidnapped blacks you fucking ignorant ass.

You are and have been wrong about everything you loser.

You pathetic ignorant piece of shit.