Traiter pig LBJ ignored Israels deliberate attack on the USS Liberty

[LA RAM FAN]

at least here in this section the shills on Israels payroll who troll in the Israel section day and night as they are paid by their handlers,will be mush less limited here in THIS section with not near as many to deal with.


Of course, the government of Zion's wholly-owned US President, the utterly contemptible Lyndon Baines Johnson, with the complicity of Offense Secretary Robert McNamara and Admiral John McCain Sr. (father of Senator McCain the Insane), accepted Zion's ridiculous claim and closed the book. And Congress didn't dare to investigate the matter either.
NY SLIMES PRETENDS USS LIBERTY ATTACK NEVER HAPPENED

as much as I hated Obomination as president,it would have been even worse with Mccain sr's son being elected.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Wow. That is one weird, sicko blog.

And almost fact free.

Got any legit links?

No wonder you worship traitor trump.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Wow. That is one weird, sicko blog.

And almost fact free.

Got any legit links?

No wonder you worship traitor trump.

coming from a troll like you WHY am i not surprised in the least that you did your usual trolling and did not look at the evidence?

fact free coming from YOU means it is obviously a FACT that did happen.thanks for proving that for me.

wow,as usual,you ramble on senselessly,you obviously have my user name mixed up with someone else as someone who worships trump since you obviously missed this recent thread of mine from last night and many of my other anti trump threads recently?

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as the norm for you,bizarre assumptions as always.

oh and for the other trolls that see that I am not a trump fan,dont assume i am a fan of HITLERY either cause everybody that knows me as this troll obviously does not,knows I hate the clintons with a passion and that was the ONLY reason i voted for trump was because of who the alternative was since only an idiot would have voted for a mass murderer which i am guessing this troll did.

 

[depotoo]

Quit lying.
Here is the truth-
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/timeline.pdf
With reference to documentation of everything that happened

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Quit lying.
Here is the truth-
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/timeline.pdf
With reference to documentation of everything that happened

good propaganda piece there,those books i referenced in the OP in my link there that you obviously did not look at which is clockwork for you,shreads to pieces the lies in that propaganda link of yours. you being the coward you are who always runs off from facts and evidence that 9/11 was an inside job everytime myself or someone else takes you to school on that is hardly in any position to be telling me "I" am the one lying.Look in the mirror when you want to see someone who is lying.

those books document the true events and counter that BS propaganda link of yours. as always,you do nothing but go by what the corrupt western media in the states tell you like clockwork.so predictable you are.

this is obviously too complicated for you to understand but that alleged documentation was INVENTED by the government itself. thats like asking the corrupt CIA to investigate itself/

for example,this last sentence here in this BS link of yours goes on to say-redacted portions of the NSA assisted report are released.

NSA? do you even realise the NSA same as the CIA is a corrupt evil government institutionas well? REDACTED portions? they are telling you right there in their OWN WORDS they are lying to you,redacted means the same thins as CENSORED.

you are so brainwashed by our corrupt government and never question authority same as i once was as well when i was in your shoes,that same as me back then,you NEVER question authority in the governments explanations no matter how absurd they are which is INCREDIBLE given the amount of the long history of corruption in our government institutions they have that go back DECADES. you seem to honesty think that your government looks out for you and never lies to you and is here to serve you and this is a free country we live in.

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[Preacher]

Quit lying.
Here is the truth-
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/timeline.pdf
With reference to documentation of everything that happened

Following completion of course work, Cristol continued to pursue information surrounding the event. He sued the National Security Agency under the Freedom of Information Act. In 2004 the agency released audio tapes which had been collected by an NSA unit aboard a Navy Lockheed EC-121 Warning Star aircraft flying near the scene of the USS Liberty attack. Subsequently, Cristol's published his analysis in 2002 as a book about the attack, "The Liberty Incident: The 1967 Attack on the U.S. Navy Spy Ship."[7][8] Cristol concluded that the tapes show the attack was an accident, and that the Israelis mistook the ship for an Egyptian one.[9] On October 2, 2007, however, the Chicago Tribune published a special report about the attack containing numerous previously unreported quotes from former military personnel with first-hand knowledge of the incident. The report cast doubt on Cristol's conclusions.[10]

Cristol is a JEW who no doubt wants to clear his Jewish brothers names in the terrorist attack on the USS Liberty. You DO NOT repeatedly attack a ship on "accident"! Especially one with the US flag flying!

 

[Preacher]

For reasons never stated, President Johnson’s administration did not interfere when notified that the attack was in progress, and both Israel and U.S. governments have officially treated the incident as a case of mistaken identity. Johnson and McNamara told those heading the navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."[2]

In June 2016, the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs reported that "49 Years on, there is still no 'explanation' for the USS Liberty attack."[3] Commenting on the WMREA article, Robert N. Edwards, Commander, Chaplain Corps, USN (Retired) said:

"I have always held that the reason for the attack was to prevent the Liberty from stopping the [Israeli] assault on the Golan Heights. Next to the West Jerusalem/Temple Mount area, the Golan was the primary target. Numerous Jewish men, women and children had been killed by artillery shellings from those heights."[4]

 

[Preacher]

USS Liberty Incident - Wikispooks

In 1979, James Ennes, officer aboard USS Liberty during the attack, bravely defied the gag order placed on him by the US government and published "Assault on the Liberty: The True Story of the Israeli Attack on an American intelligence Ship.".

The book reunited the USS Liberty crew and, despite the threats (still being uttered in 2010[10]) and their previous complete isolation from each other, former Liberty crew founded a non-profit Liberty Veterans Association and held a reunion in 1982. Many discovered for the first time that all their colleagues felt the same, the attack could not have been a genuine "Friendly Fire". The servicemen began petitioning Congress for an investigation but only received pro-forma letters from the White House claiming that the attack had already been investigated.

This from an ACTUAL SAILOR on the ship

 

[Preacher]

Former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Thomas Moorer was 89 years old (b.1912, d.2004) when he summed up the Liberty incident in 2001:

"It’s ridiculous to say this was an accident. There was good weather, she was flying the U.S. flag and the planes and torpedo boats attacked over a long period of time."[14]

 

[Preacher]

Cristol's book so infuriated the original military lawyer and senior counsel for the 1967 Court of Inquiry, Captain Ward Boston, JAGC, US Navy that he broke his silence of 30 years to swear a declaration[17] and condemn Israel for what happened, and the cover-up of which he was a central part. He speaks of "attempts to rewrite history" below, a reference to Jay Cristol's pro-Israeli book:

"For more than 30 years, I have remained silent on the topic of USS Liberty. I am a military man and when orders come in from the Secretary of Defense and President of the United States, I follow them. However, recent attempts to rewrite history compel me to share the truth.

"In June of 1967, while serving as a Captain in the Judge Advocate General Corps, Department of the Navy, I was assigned as senior legal counsel for the Navy’s Court of Inquiry into the ... attack on USS Liberty, which had occurred on June 8th."


... "The evidence was clear. Both Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack ... was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. ... It was our shared belief, based on the documentary evidence and testimony we received first hand, that the Israeli attack was planned and deliberate, and could not possibly have been an accident. I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors, who had ordered the attack, were well aware that the ship was American."


... "I am outraged at the efforts of the apologists for Israel in this country to claim that this attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity.’ In particular, the recent publication of Jay Cristol’s book, The Liberty Incident, twists the facts and misrepresents the views of those of us who investigated the attack. It is Cristol’s ... attempt to whitewash the facts that has pushed me to speak out. [Note - some paragraphs joined].

 

[Preacher]

“I am confident that Israel knew the Liberty could intercept radio messages from all parties ... to the ongoing [Arab-Israel, or Six-day] war, then in its fourth day, and that Israel was preparing to seize the Golan Heights from Syria [while pretending, as they later did, that Syria had attacked them] ... "And I believe Moshe Dayan [commander of Israeli forces] concluded that he could prevent Washington from becoming aware of what Israel was up to by destroying the primary source of acquiring that information, the USS Liberty."[34]”
Thomas Moorer (June 8, 1997) - [35]

 

[Preacher]

Several books and the BBC documentary USS Liberty: Dead in the Water (according to the Wikipedia, not checked and conflicted, see below) argue that the USS Liberty was attacked in order to prevent the U.S. from knowing about the forthcoming attack in the Golan Heights, which would violate the mandatory UNSC cease-fire which the US had blocked until the attack on Egypt was completed. The attack on the Liberty occurred on June 8 before Syria announced its acceptance of the cease-fire (June 9 at 3 AM). Nevertheless, at 7 AM that day, Israel’s minister of defense, Moshe Dayan, "gave the order to go into action against Syria."[36] Lenczowski further writes that timely knowledge of this decision and preparatory moves toward it "might have frustrated Israeli designs for the conquest of Syria’s Golan Heights" and, in the sense of Ennes’s accusations, provides "a plausible thesis that Israel deliberately decided to incapacitate the signals-collecting American ship and leave no one alive to tell the story of the attack."

US Ambassador to Israel, Barbour, had reported on the day of the Liberty attack that he "would not be surprised" by an Israeli attack on Syria, and the IDF Intelligence chief told a White House aide then in Israel that "there still remained the Syria problem and perhaps it would be necessary to give Syria a blow."[37]

According to a Russian book by Joseph Daichman "History of the Mossad" referenced by the Wikipedia article (but now a dead link), Israel knew that American radio signals were intercepted by the Soviet Union and that the Soviets would certainly inform Egypt of the fact that, by moving troops to the Golan Heights, Israel had left the Egyptian border undefended.[38][39] (Note - all this information copied from the Wikipedia article)

As a casus belli
The attack happened in the middle of the Six Day War, so may have been intended as a casus belli to help US enter the Six Day War.

By the US
A document from 2017 by the Israeli Archives suggests that U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson organised the attack on the USS Liberty (on the 8 June 1967) in an attempt to blame the Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser - to provide a casus belli to facilitate the US entry into the Six-Day War.[40]

 

[Preacher]

By Israel
The press release for the 2002 BBC documentary film Dead in the Water suggests the attack was a "daring ploy by Israel to fake an Egyptian attack" to give America a reason to enter the war against Egypt. Convinced that the attack was real, US President Lyndon B. Johnson launched nuclear-armed planes targeted against Cairo from a U.S. aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. The planes were recalled only just in time, when it was clear the Liberty had not sunk and that Israel had carried out the attack.[41] An account of Dead in the Water says that US servicemen testified on camera that nuclear-armed planes were sent to attack Cairo on receipt of the news in Washington. The sources in the film are a crew-member from the aircraft carrier USS America who saw the planes launched; a US Navy radio operator who heard the radio traffic about them being launched which he is certain was referring to nuclear-armed aircraft; and the account given by a Liberty survivor of a conversation at the time with the commander of the Sixth Fleet carriers in which he (the admiral) describes what happened, according to producer Chris Mitchell. The radio operator states on camera that he heard US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara personally give the orders. A couple of other witnesses talked to program makers off camera. When interviewed by the team, McNamara denied the charges. Said Mitchell "I certainly think people in Cairo might like to know how close they came to being incinerated by a US nuclear bomb."[42] The video also provides hearsay evidence of a covert alliance of U.S. and Israel intelligence agencies.

However, James Ennes later stated that he was probably wrong in his original book about the planes being nuclear-armed, it is most likely they carried Bullpup missiles.[43]

This explanation, to have the US attack Cairo, may or may not fit well with the fact that Israel made such great efforts to stop any distress call getting out (by destruction of aerials and radio-jamming, as confirmed in the US Court of Inquiry) and why Israeli boats machine-gunned the life-boats in the water (a war-crime the US would have been expected to protest loudly whatever the circumstances). The intention of the attack appears to have been that all 294 Americans on board were killed with nobody knowing who'd done it. There is nothing obvious to suggest that it was an attempt to have Egypt blamed (as was in part intended by the Lavon Affair of 1954). Nevertheless, if nuclear-armed planes were launched, then it might further explain why Johnson and McNamara were so keen this incident be accepted as an Israeli accident.

Mention may be made here that one of the arguments put forwards by Jay Cristol that "the attacking aircraft were not armed to attack a ship".[26] seems irrelevant. 821 holes were counted, in sizes from half an inch (armor-piercing 0.50 caliber) to 8 inches diameter, and there were in total more than 3,000 other holes (or hits)[44] along with large fires and blast damage and a torpedo hit that would normally have sunk the ship. A 1995 article in International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence called it "... probably the longest "accidental" attack in the history of naval warfare an hour and 15 minutes".[45] Israel made every attempt to sink the USS Liberty leaving no survivors. The fact that they failed is not evidence they were not trying.

To cover up massacres of POWs?
In 1995 the mass graves of up to 1,000 unarmed Egyptian civilians and prisoners of war were discovered outside El-Arish and the New York Times, The Washington Post, The Jewish Telegraph Agency, and other commercially-controlled media sources in the U.S. and Israel reported that IDF veterans had admitted that there had been mass-murders during the 1967 War.[46] Deputy Foreign Minister, Eli Dayan even offered compensation to the victims families in 1995, but explained that Israel was unable to pursue those responsible due to the statute of limitations.[47] (A further mass grave of 30 Egyptian soldiers from the 1967 war was found in the Sinai peninsula in 2008, though it not known if they were murdered POWs or not.[48])

Some commentators consider killing POWs a war-crime and seem to have believed that Israel would murder almost 300 of the most highly qualified American sailors and intelligence operatives (and deprive the US of its finest spy ship) in order to conceal the likely unpunishable killing of 1000 or so Egyptian POWs. This theory has been seized on by defenders of Israel as a straw-man argument to knock down.

The year after the discovery of the massacres (1996), the survivor who had been fighting hardest for the truth to come out, James M. Ennes, Jr. (author of the 1979 The True Story of the Israeli Attack on an American Intelligence Ship[1]) handed the Israel-firsters an opportunity to raise a strawman argument. Questioned about war-crimes (Ennes having a particular interest in those he believes were committed against him and his ship) Ennes asked: "Recent reports in the Israeli and Egyptian press suggest another powerful possibility. ... How would [senior Israeli officers] have reacted to the knowledge that USS Liberty was nearby and might have heard incriminating radio traffic?".[49]

In 2001, James Bamford published a book on the National Security Agency called "Body of Secrets" and in one chapter discusses the USS Liberty Incident (which this well regarded intelligence-specialist author treats as a deliberate attack, see above). In an excerpt of the book available at History News Network he says "This and other war crimes were just some of the secrets Israel had sought to conceal since the start of the conflict. An essential element ... to hide much of the war behind a carefully constructed curtain of lies ... Into this sea of deception and slaughter sailed the USS Liberty".[50]

Bamford's book resulted in a new storm of denial - none of it about the detailed specifics and criticism of Israel for the attack on the USS Liberty. Instead, Israeli-firsters concentrated on the argument that Bamford had explained the attack on the Liberty as a means to cover up these massacres - then denied the killings in unconvincing ways. Michael Oren argued that one of the witnesses (Israeli reporter Gabriel Bron, a former IDF soldier) had subsequently told him "The one hundred and fifty POWs were not shot, and there were no mass murders" but that they were helped by the Israeli soldiers who "gave them water, and in most cases just sent them in the direction of the Suez Canal." Oren had more to say about the character and integrity of Bamford including "there are a lot of reasons to question Bamford's credibility, starting with his rather curious reading of Middle Eastern history. For example, Bamford says Israel initiated hostilities against Syria and Jordan, when it happened the other way around."[51]

 

[Preacher]

The "Accident Theory"
Problems with Accident Theory

USS Liberty / El Quisar and US / Egyptian flag comparisons

• Visibility of American flag: The Chicago Tribune in 2007 said: For all its apparent complexity, the attack on the Liberty can be reduced to a single question: Was the ship flying the American flag at the time of the attack, and was that flag visible from the air?[31]

• Distinctiveness of USS Liberty's appearance: Admiral Thomas Moorer said Despite claims by Israeli intelligence that they confused the Liberty with a small Egyptian transport, the Liberty was conspicuously different from any vessel in the Egyptian navy. It was the most sophisticated intelligence ship in the world in 1967. With its massive radio antennae, including a large satellite dish, it looked like a large lobster and was one of the most easily identifiable ships afloat.[52]

• Identification markings: The USS Liberty was marked with an eight-foot-high "5" and a four-foot-high "GTR" at the bow (on both sides) in white. 18in-high letters spelled the vessel's name at the stern. Clark Clifford, Special Assistant to the President wrote to President Johnson: In the heat of battle the Liberty was able to identify one of the attacking torpedo boats as Israeli and to ascertain its hull number. In the same circumstances, trained Israeli naval personnel should have been able easily to see and identify the larger hull markings on the Liberty.[53]

• Ship's identification known during attack: Numerous sources state that the US was monitoring the attacking aircrafts transmissions, the transcripts were widely circulated around the world and seen by many people. The copies were all collected and destroyed 10 days later.[31]

• Effort for identification: The American crew claims the attacking aircraft did not make identification runs over Liberty, but rather began to strafe immediately.[9] Israel claims several identification passes were made.

• Speed of the vessel: According to Israeli accounts, the torpedo boat made measurements indicated the ship was steaming at 30knots. In fact, it could make no more than 17.5knots, and US accounts, including the Court of Enquiry findings state that the ship was steaming at 5knots.

• Jamming: The survivors, including Wayne L. Smith, Radioman Chief, testified that there was extensive jamming of the (US specific) frequencies used for communication. None of the Israeli Defense Forces' investigations or reports confirm or deny radio frequency jamming was performed during or following the attack.

• Visual communications: Joe Meadors, the signalman on bridge, states that "Immediately prior to the torpedo attack, he was on the Signal Bridge repeatedly sending 'USS Liberty U.S. Navy Ship' by flashing light to the torpedo boats." It is not clear if Israel confirms or denies this.[citation needed]

• Machine-gunning of the life-rafts: Officers and men of Liberty claim that after the torpedo attack the motor torpedo boats strafed the ship's topside with automatic gunfire, trapping men below, and they machine-gunned the life rafts. The IDF claims that Liberty was not fired upon after the torpedo attack and that a rescue raft was fished from the water while searching for survivors.[11]IDF History Report, "Liberty was not fired upon after the torpedo attack and that a rescue raft was fished from the water while searching for survivors." 1982 p.19.</ref> Captain Ward Boston claims that much was excised from the US report after it left his hands including the testimony of Lt. Painter concerning the deliberate machine gunning of the life rafts by the Israeli torpedo boat crews, which Boston distinctly recalls being given at the Court of Inquiry and included in the original transcript.

• U.S. rescue attempts: At least two rescue attempts were launched from U.S. aircraft carriers nearby but were recalled. The first planes to leave may have been loaded with nuclear weapons (to attack Cairo?), no explanation has been provided for the second recall.

Worth noting is that the Israeli "side" seek to prove that "Friendly Fire" attacks are commonplace (even apparently inventing such a case, an alleged attack on their own armoured column in either Jenin or Sinai). In fact, almost every known case of "Friendly Fire" has been either a split-second mistake or carried out at night.[citation needed]

There does not appear to be any concerted action by Israel’s defenders to provide credible rebuttals to these points. In many cases the distortions are very evident eg though the ship sustained 800 hits, as evidenced by as many holes, there was no "‘extended’ attack."[54] The Cristol book (no longer available on GoogleBooks) has a large amount of information including an extensive time-line of the entire war, but fails to be specific over the timings of the attacks. Other defenders make much of quite small details (eg a speech to the UN 3 days earlier said that there were no US warships for 100s of miles, which was then true) while ignoring the many essential points.

Problems with defenders of the "accident" theory"
In 1995, John Borne (died 2010) published his doctoral dissertation "The USS Liberty: Dissenting History VS Official History". It is intended as an examination of how history comes to be written. It has been reviewed by John Ennes and WRMEA.[55]

Of the survivors, Borne says they have been remarkably consistent and assured in presenting their views. He claims that the views they held in 1992 were the same as those they held in 1967 (allowing only for some additional information). Their arguments are coherent and detailed. (Borne finds only one notable exception, related to the events in Grafton, Wisconsin, where they disagree over the naming and particularly the financing of a memorial library in their honor).

The Israelis and their American supporters have been far less consistent. Their accounts of the attack vary greatly. Just why the Israeli explanations vary so greatly is covered in the concluding chapter.

The U.S. government position is and always has been consistent, it has stood by the Naval Court Summary of 1967 as the final word on the matter, and has refused to debate the matter further.

 

[Preacher]

Large numbers of US officials disbelieved Israel
Numerous US intelligence and military officials now dispute Israel's explanation.[58]

From a list compiled by James Bamford[59]:

• Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote: "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

• Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter, director of the National Security Agency at the time: "There was no other answer than it was deliberate."

• Dr. Louis Tordella, the deputy director of NSA at the time: "I believed the attack might have been ordered by some senior commander on the Sinai Peninsula [where the massacres were taking place] who wrongly suspected that the Liberty was monitoring his activities." Tordella also scrawled across the top page of the formal Israeli "mistake" report, "A nice whitewash."

• Major General John Morrison, NSA deputy director of Operations at the time: "Nobody believes that explanation. The only conjecture that we ever made that made any near sense is that the Israelis did not want us to intercept their communications at that time."

• Walter Deeley, the senior NSA official who conducted an internal NSA investigation of the incident: "There is no way that they didn't know that the Liberty was American."

• Captain William L. McGonnagle, the Liberty's commander: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate."

• Richard Helms, Director of Central Intelligence at the time speaking to James Bamford: "Your chapter on the Liberty was exactly right."

• George Christian, press secretary to President Johnson at the time: "I became convinced that an accident of this magnitude was too much to swallow."

• Paul C. Warnke, Under Secretary of the Navy at the time: "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units.... I suspect that in the heat of battle they figured that the presence of this American ship was inimical to their interests."

• David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time: "I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."

• George Ball, Under Secretary of State at the time: "American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens."

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Quit lying.
Here is the truth-
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/timeline.pdf
With reference to documentation of everything that happened

good propaganda piece there,those books i referenced in the OP in my link there that you obviously did not look at which is clockwork for you,shreads to pieces the lies in that propaganda link of yours. you being the coward you are who always runs off from facts and evidence that 9/11 was an inside job everytime myself or someone else takes you to school on that is hardly in any position to be telling me "I" am the one lying.Look in the mirror when you want to see someone who is lying.

those books document the true events and counter that BS propaganda link of yours. as always,you do nothing but go by what the corrupt western media in the states tell you like clockwork.so predictable you are.

this is obviously too complicated for you to understand but that alleged documentation was INVENTED by the government itself. thats like asking the corrupt CIA to investigate itself/

for example,this last sentence here in this BS link of yours goes on to say-redacted portions of the NSA assisted report are released.

NSA? do you even realise the NSA same as the CIA is a corrupt evil government institutionas well? REDACTED portions? they are telling you right there in their OWN WORDS they are lying to you,redacted means the same thins as CENSORED.

you are so brainwashed by our corrupt government and never question authority same as i once was as well when i was in your shoes,that same as me back then,you NEVER question authority in the governments explanations no matter how absurd they are which is INCREDIBLE given the amount of the long history of corruption in our government institutions they have that go back DECADES. you seem to honesty think that your government looks out for you and never lies to you and is here to serve you and this is a free country we live in.

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oh and not only that,you OBVIOUSLY have never done ANY research whatsoever on Lyndon Johnson other than what our corrupt history classes have told you about him.

Because everybody that HAS,knows that he was the most evil man in the world and i see you are in denial mode as well that he was was very instrumental in the coverup of the JFK assassination and worked together with his pal J Edgar Hoover,the other most evil man in the world as well,to cover up the CIAs assassination of our last great president kennedy. The last president who served the PEOPLE instead of the bankers and corporations that every president since him has.

you are too far gone brainwashed that knowing you as i do,you of course dont believe any of these facts to be true wither you are so much in denial mode how evil our government institutions and washington are.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Quit lying.
Here is the truth-
http://www.thelibertyincident.com/docs/timeline.pdf
With reference to documentation of everything that happened

good propaganda piece there,those books i referenced in the OP in my link there that you obviously did not look at which is clockwork for you,shreads to pieces the lies in that propaganda link of yours. you being the coward you are who always runs off from facts and evidence that 9/11 was an inside job everytime myself or someone else takes you to school on that is hardly in any position to be telling me "I" am the one lying.Look in the mirror when you want to see someone who is lying.

those books document the true events and counter that BS propaganda link of yours. as always,you do nothing but go by what the corrupt western media in the states tell you like clockwork.so predictable you are.

this is obviously too complicated for you to understand but that alleged documentation was INVENTED by the government itself. thats like asking the corrupt CIA to investigate itself/

for example,this last sentence here in this BS link of yours goes on to say-redacted portions of the NSA assisted report are released.

NSA? do you even realise the NSA same as the CIA is a corrupt evil government institutionas well? REDACTED portions? they are telling you right there in their OWN WORDS they are lying to you,redacted means the same thins as CENSORED.

you are so brainwashed by our corrupt government and never question authority same as i once was as well when i was in your shoes,that same as me back then,you NEVER question authority in the governments explanations no matter how absurd they are which is INCREDIBLE given the amount of the long history of corruption in our government institutions they have that go back DECADES. you seem to honesty think that your government looks out for you and never lies to you and is here to serve you and this is a free country we live in.

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oh and not only that,you OBVIOUSLY have never done ANY research whatsoever on Lyndon Johnson other than what our corrupt history classes have told you about him.

Because everybody that HAS,knows that he was the most evil man in the world and i see you are in denial mode as well that he was was very instrumental in the coverup of the JFK assassination and worked together with his pal J Edgar Hoover,the other most evil man in the world as well,to cover up the CIAs assassination of our last great president kennedy. The last president who served the PEOPLE instead of the bankers and corporations that every president since him has.

you are too far gone brainwashed that knowing you as i do,you of course dont believe any of these facts to be true wither you are so much in denial mode how evil our government institutions and washington are.

You always argue with nothing more than emojis which is why you are always proven wrong

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Several books and the BBC documentary USS Liberty: Dead in the Water (according to the Wikipedia, not checked and conflicted, see below) argue that the USS Liberty was attacked in order to prevent the U.S. from knowing about the forthcoming attack in the Golan Heights, which would violate the mandatory UNSC cease-fire which the US had blocked until the attack on Egypt was completed. The attack on the Liberty occurred on June 8 before Syria announced its acceptance of the cease-fire (June 9 at 3 AM). Nevertheless, at 7 AM that day, Israel’s minister of defense, Moshe Dayan, "gave the order to go into action against Syria."[36] Lenczowski further writes that timely knowledge of this decision and preparatory moves toward it "might have frustrated Israeli designs for the conquest of Syria’s Golan Heights" and, in the sense of Ennes’s accusations, provides "a plausible thesis that Israel deliberately decided to incapacitate the signals-collecting American ship and leave no one alive to tell the story of the attack."

US Ambassador to Israel, Barbour, had reported on the day of the Liberty attack that he "would not be surprised" by an Israeli attack on Syria, and the IDF Intelligence chief told a White House aide then in Israel that "there still remained the Syria problem and perhaps it would be necessary to give Syria a blow."[37]

According to a Russian book by Joseph Daichman "History of the Mossad" referenced by the Wikipedia article (but now a dead link), Israel knew that American radio signals were intercepted by the Soviet Union and that the Soviets would certainly inform Egypt of the fact that, by moving troops to the Golan Heights, Israel had left the Egyptian border undefended.[38][39] (Note - all this information copied from the Wikipedia article)

As a casus belli
The attack happened in the middle of the Six Day War, so may have been intended as a casus belli to help US enter the Six Day War.

By the US
A document from 2017 by the Israeli Archives suggests that U.S. President Lyndon B. Johnson organised the attack on the USS Liberty (on the 8 June 1967) in an attempt to blame the Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser - to provide a casus belli to facilitate the US entry into the Six-Day War.[40]

they obviously wont read a word of any of these excellent informative posts you have made here in my thread that backs up my OP that have taken them to school same as I did in my OP.that being said,thats what I was saying as well that what the SURVIVORS of that attack told,was 180 degrees different from the explanation given by the media our corrupt government gave back then.

same as withe CIA,theya re also obviously clueless as proven on this thread,that the mossad is every bit just as much an evil organization as the CIA is that they are in denial mode on as you well know..

amazing how these trolls have the logic though that what witnesses say no matter how reliable and credible they are,always go ignored by these trolls since they are only interested in the OFFICIAL version of what their government tells them.

that if credible witness testimonys and documented evidence given to them by the surviors,NONE of that matters to them.Only what the warped explanations from the LAMESTREAM media and our corrupt government institutions tells them is all that matters to them.they take it as the gospel truth incredibly.

 

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Large numbers of US officials disbelieved Israel
Numerous US intelligence and military officials now dispute Israel's explanation.[58]

From a list compiled by James Bamford[59]:

• Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote: "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

• Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter, director of the National Security Agency at the time: "There was no other answer than it was deliberate."

• Dr. Louis Tordella, the deputy director of NSA at the time: "I believed the attack might have been ordered by some senior commander on the Sinai Peninsula [where the massacres were taking place] who wrongly suspected that the Liberty was monitoring his activities." Tordella also scrawled across the top page of the formal Israeli "mistake" report, "A nice whitewash."

• Major General John Morrison, NSA deputy director of Operations at the time: "Nobody believes that explanation. The only conjecture that we ever made that made any near sense is that the Israelis did not want us to intercept their communications at that time."

• Walter Deeley, the senior NSA official who conducted an internal NSA investigation of the incident: "There is no way that they didn't know that the Liberty was American."

• Captain William L. McGonnagle, the Liberty's commander: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate."

• Richard Helms, Director of Central Intelligence at the time speaking to James Bamford: "Your chapter on the Liberty was exactly right."

• George Christian, press secretary to President Johnson at the time: "I became convinced that an accident of this magnitude was too much to swallow."

• Paul C. Warnke, Under Secretary of the Navy at the time: "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units.... I suspect that in the heat of battle they figured that the presence of this American ship was inimical to their interests."

• David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time: "I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."

• George Ball, Under Secretary of State at the time: "American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens."

You took the Israel apologists to school and handed them their asses to them on a platter same as i did in my link i gave them in my OP but you did so in much more better documented detail than I did. all these excellent informative posts of yours took them to school major BIG TIME,you OWNED their sorry asses and checkmated them major BIG TIME. you sure know your stuff.You should be a scholar on this if you are not now they can only cry in defeat.

 

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Large numbers of US officials disbelieved Israel
Numerous US intelligence and military officials now dispute Israel's explanation.[58]

From a list compiled by James Bamford[59]:

• Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote: "I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous."

• Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter, director of the National Security Agency at the time: "There was no other answer than it was deliberate."

• Dr. Louis Tordella, the deputy director of NSA at the time: "I believed the attack might have been ordered by some senior commander on the Sinai Peninsula [where the massacres were taking place] who wrongly suspected that the Liberty was monitoring his activities." Tordella also scrawled across the top page of the formal Israeli "mistake" report, "A nice whitewash."

• Major General John Morrison, NSA deputy director of Operations at the time: "Nobody believes that explanation. The only conjecture that we ever made that made any near sense is that the Israelis did not want us to intercept their communications at that time."

• Walter Deeley, the senior NSA official who conducted an internal NSA investigation of the incident: "There is no way that they didn't know that the Liberty was American."

• Captain William L. McGonnagle, the Liberty's commander: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was deliberate."

• Richard Helms, Director of Central Intelligence at the time speaking to James Bamford: "Your chapter on the Liberty was exactly right."

• George Christian, press secretary to President Johnson at the time: "I became convinced that an accident of this magnitude was too much to swallow."

• Paul C. Warnke, Under Secretary of the Navy at the time: "I found it hard to believe that it was, in fact, an honest mistake on the part of the Israeli air force units.... I suspect that in the heat of battle they figured that the presence of this American ship was inimical to their interests."

• David G. Nes, the deputy head of the American mission in Cairo at the time: "I don't think that there's any doubt that it was deliberate.... [It is] one of the great cover-ups of our military history."

• George Ball, Under Secretary of State at the time: "American leaders did not have the courage to punish Israel for the blatant murder of its citizens."

You took the Israel apologists to school and handed them their asses to them on a platter same as i did in my link i gave them in my OP but you did so in much more better documented detail than I did. all these excellent informative posts of yours took them to school major BIG TIME,you OWNED their sorry asses and checkmated them major BIG TIME. you sure know your stuff.You should be a scholar on this if you are not now they can only cry in defeat.

Wrong .

He could only find some people who agree which is not evidence.

The evidence has been presented proving him wrong which is why the only hysterical crying is from losers like you.