Training Americans To Follow Orders

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1. In October 1919, Lenin paid a secret visit to the laboratory of the great physiologist I. P. Pavlov, a Russian physiologist known chiefly for the concept of the conditioned reflex. In his classic experiment, he found that a hungry dog can be trained to associate the sound of a bell with food and will salivate at the sound even in the absence of food. Lenin wanted to find out if his work on the conditional reflexes of the brain might help the Bolsheviks control European behaviour.“I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking and reacting,”Lenin explained. Pavlov was astounded. It seemed that Lenin wanted him to do for humans what he had already done for dogs.“Do you mean that you would like to standardise the population of Russia? Make them all behave in the same way?”he asked.“Exactly” replied Lenin.Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be.
Orlando Figes, "A People's Tragedy," p.732-733





2. In the above we can see he central disagreement between the Left and the right.....their understanding of human beings....


The Left, communists, socialists, fascists, Liberals, Progressives see their mission as the changing of human nature, while we on the right see human nature as immutable.

There are, of course, significant differences between the more aggressive versions and Liberalism or Progressivism, but these are mainly attributable to the cultural differences between Europe and America- and between national cultures in general.

Some of those groups try to do so by re-education camps, gulags, and murder. In this country, the Leftists inducing conformity by training.....training from the earliest age to follow the dictates, the rules set down by government....whether they conform to reason and experience, or not.





3. It starts slowly, and in a most innocuous manner....

"I’m beginning to think that there’s a nation-wide government conspiracy against either lemonade or children, because these lemonade stand shutdowns seem to be getting more and more common. If you set up a stand for your kids, just be prepared for a visit from the cops.... policeshut down 4-year-old Abigail Krstinger’s lemonade stand .... Police informed her that a permit would cost $400.... Police said the girls needed a business license, a peddler’s permit, and a food permit to operate the stand, which cost $50 per day or $180 per year each, .... an ordinance preventing vendors from selling products within two blocks of local events – including kids who want to sell lemonade or cookies." The Inexplicable War on Lemonade Stands - Forbes




4. The subject is autonomy, and the exercise of personal responsibility, the values and institutions found in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, i.e., the principles of an earlier time in America: are they relevant today?

a. Freedom will eventually fail due to imposition of Leftist power. It is, in fact, that feature of human nature, that is the impulse to exercise and to concentrate power, that the Founders tried to check, and balance.
This understanding was covered, in the Constitution, by the ideas of balance of power, and that of federalism. Federalism meant the restrictions on governmental power...."The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

But an avalanche of regulations leaves very little power for the people.



b. "Anthropocentricity and individualism...Humanism and Italian art were similar in giving paramount attention to human experience, both in its everyday immediacy and in its positive or negative extremes...The human-centredness of Renaissance art, moreover, was not just a generalized endorsement of earthly experience. Like the humanists, Italian artists stressed the autonomy and dignity of the individual."
"Humanism" on Encyclopædia Britannica



Now...we can't have that in Liberal America today, now, can we?
 
It appears that liberals want to control people's lives by the restrictive laws they propose and force through Congress.
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.
 
It appears that liberals want to control people's lives by the restrictive laws they propose and force through Congress.

Not just at the national level, look at liberal state and local controlled areas the laws and regulations they pass are insane. One local liberal freak show passed a law protecting trees from evil homeowners slamming homeowners with multi-thousand dollar fines, 10's of thousands in some cases if they dare cut down a tree on their own property. Then slapped a tax on them for leaf clean up, what a classic.
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.


religion is practiced by both conservatives and liberals.
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.


religion is practiced by both conservatives and liberals.

So is the piano. What's your point?
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.


religion is practiced by both conservatives and liberals.
>>>>>>>>>
right on !! but there is a difference.., we Conservatives practice the religion of Christianity.., liber-atheists practice the religion of SATAN !!

just my OPINION. :up:
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?
yep. I served. Wonder if OP has :eusa_think: Also seems like conservatives loved to be told what to do, where to protest, who can listen to your phone calls, until the black guy became President. :rolleyes-41: THEN, all of a sudden, its a burden.

Give me a break OP.
 
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Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What liberals want to take away a soldier's right to defend himself against a charge of disobeying orders?


that has nothing to do with what either I or wytch said. :cuckoo:
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.


religion is practiced by both conservatives and liberals.

So is the piano. What's your point?


are you on drugs this morning? your reading comprehension skills are sorely lacking.
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?


liberals not only want to ban thinking, they want to punish thoughts that are not sanctioned by the government.

Rand and Orwell saw it coming and wrote about it. Have you read anything by either of them?
 
Train people to follow orders?

How about

1. call them commandments
2. keep it simple, at least at first, by limiting the number of commandments to, say, ten...
3. make the enforcer of the commandments a terrifying supernatural being with superhuman powers.


religion is practiced by both conservatives and liberals.
>>>>>>>>>
right on !! but there is a difference.., we Conservatives practice the religion of Christianity.., liber-atheists practice the religion of SATAN !!

just my OPINION. :up:

Is that what makes you fellows so nasty and hard to get along with?
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?


liberals not only want to ban thinking, they want to punish thoughts that are not sanctioned by the government.

Rand and Orwell saw it coming and wrote about it. Have you read anything by either of them?

Ban thoughts, that would be a little difficult, but cry on....
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?


tell me, is hate crime legislation not an attempt to ban certain lines of thought? Why should it matter if someone kills you to steal your money or because he hates gays? Why should one crime get a harsher punishment than the other? Is that not punishment of thought?
 
Train people to follow orders?

Wait...the military trains people to follow orders. Why do conservatives hate the military?


a soldier is under no obligation to follow an illegal order. See, wytch, he is allowed to actually think----something you libs want to ban.

What does that have to do with what I said. The OP is offering us another of her "liberals are/liberals do..." malarky threads about training to follow orders...something the military actually does.

Liberals want to ban thinking? Do you even care how silly the things you type sound?


liberals not only want to ban thinking, they want to punish thoughts that are not sanctioned by the government.

Rand and Orwell saw it coming and wrote about it. Have you read anything by either of them?

Ban thoughts, that would be a little difficult, but cry on....



see post #18
 

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