Toyota teams up with Tesla

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NAGOYA, Japan (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp is working to develop a prototype electric vehicle with Tesla Motors as it continues work on a battery-powered small car the Japanese automaker plans to launch in 2012, senior executives said on Friday.

"We're at the stage of working toward a prototype and once that's completed and we've reached that milestone, I'd like to announce more about what we're working on together," Toyota President Akio Toyoda told reporters.

Toyoda said Toyota was interested in experimenting with Tesla's approach to using lithium-ion battery cells developed for the electronics industry as a potential alternative to developing batteries tailor-made for its own vehicles as it had been doing.

"We'll see which better meets the needs of consumers. We're taking a multifaceted approach," Toyoda told a group of U.S. reporters invited to tour Toyota's facilities this week.

Toyota Moves Ahead With Tesla, Open to New Tie-Ups - ABC News
 
That won't matter. The government has poured hundreds of millions of $$$ into Tesla. It will get a pass.
 
And how much money are we sending overseas each year to pay for our oil addiction?

100 billion dollars!

It is the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

Electricity is energy made in America.
 
And how much money are we sending overseas each year to pay for our oil addiction?

100 billion dollars!

It is the largest transfer of wealth in the history of the world.

Electricity is energy made in America.

Chris,

Not true. You are a victim of the electricity lobby.
 
Toyota's record in F1 was dismal. They spent more money for less points than any other team in history. Hi level technical innovation and Toyota don't seem to get along.
 




Is more environmentally damaging than a Ford F-150 pickup truck.

I guess the public knows this as the F-150 was the best selling vehicle...

and more than passing interesting that the biggest reason anyone bought a Prius was to puff up their status in the eyes of the other greeniacs.

1. ‘In fact, more than half of the Prius buyers surveyed this spring by CNW Marketing Research of Bandon, Ore., said the main reason they purchased their car was that “it makes a statement about me.” ‘http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/04/business/04hybrid.html

2. But, even with all the ‘green’ hype, the best-selling vehicles of 2008 were the Ford F-150 and the Chevrolet Silverado, big trucks with big engines. The Year's Best- And Worst-Selling Cars - Forbes.com

“The Big Three keep making cars nobody wants to buy.”? Interesting that half of the top ten selling cars in 2008, including the top two, were American cars.

3. Actually, when compared to sales of gas powered cars, the Prius does poorly: the 10th place Ford Focus outsold the Prius by 16%. And when buyers looked at the Prius and the Camry at Toyota dealers, 71% picked the Camry. 89% chose the gas powered Camry. Hybrid Sales Figures/Tax Credits for Hybrids

4. The purchase of a new hybrid vehicle is a better indicator of household wealth than a doctorate degree. The average hybrid-buying household earns $113,400 a year- more than twice the median household income in America. http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/p23-210.pdf

5. “One of the biggest challenges for alternative powertrains is that consumers often have unrealistic expectations for the fuel-saving abilities of these vehicles,” Marshall said. “And particularly with hybrids, actual fuel performance often doesn't live up to the vehicle's EPA estimate. There is a real need to educate consumers about the technology and its benefits.” J.D.Power and Associates - Press Release

6. But what about the savings in driving a hybrid? “The Altima hybrid improves combined city-highway fuel economy to 34 miles per gallon from 26 mpg in the standard four-cylinder. Even with gas at $4.11, where the national average peaked in July, a driver has to log nearly 159,000 miles to recoup the upfront cost. For someone who drives 15,000 miles annually, the gas savings is $558 a year. That's more than 10 1/2 years of driving — assuming the car lasts that long.” Newsvine - 48 mpg is nice, but hybrids don't add up right now
 




Is more environmentally damaging than a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
Source?



Actually, he's incorrect. The Prius is really more enviromentally damaging than a Hummer. (Although, if we assume that the Hummer is less environmentally friendly than a truck, he is spot on. :) ).

...When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer – the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.


Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage | Impact Lab


Hybrid energy efficiency over their lifetime:
1. Honda Insight ($2.94 per mile)
2. Ford Escape Hybrid ($3.18 per mile)
3. Honda Civic Hybrid ($3.24 per mile)
4. Toyota Prius ($3.25 per mile)
5. Honda Accord Hybrid ($3.30 per mile)


From the Dust PDF Version at:

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/
 
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Is more environmentally damaging than a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
Source?



Actually, he's incorrect. The Prius is really more enviromentally damaging than a Hummer. (Although, if we assume that the Hummer is less environmentally friendly than a truck, he is spot on. :) ).

...When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer – the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.


Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage | Impact Lab


Hybrid energy efficiency over their lifetime:
1. Honda Insight ($2.94 per mile)
2. Ford Escape Hybrid ($3.18 per mile)
3. Honda Civic Hybrid ($3.24 per mile)
4. Toyota Prius ($3.25 per mile)
5. Honda Accord Hybrid ($3.30 per mile)


From the Dust PDF Version at:

Automotive Energy




I stand corrected:) I knew it was worse than one of the vehicles on the enviro hit list, I just couldn't remember which one!


Thanks!
 
Is more environmentally damaging than a Ford F-150 pickup truck.
Source?



Actually, he's incorrect. The Prius is really more enviromentally damaging than a Hummer. (Although, if we assume that the Hummer is less environmentally friendly than a truck, he is spot on. :) ).

...When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer – the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.


Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage | Impact Lab


Hybrid energy efficiency over their lifetime:
1. Honda Insight ($2.94 per mile)
2. Ford Escape Hybrid ($3.18 per mile)
3. Honda Civic Hybrid ($3.24 per mile)
4. Toyota Prius ($3.25 per mile)
5. Honda Accord Hybrid ($3.30 per mile)


From the Dust PDF Version at:

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Pure bullshit. One of the electricians where I work has a Prius with far more than 100,000 miles on it. And the Hummers are not 300,000 mile vehicles,either.

The payoff time of five years assumes no radical rise in gas prices.
 



Actually, he's incorrect. The Prius is really more enviromentally damaging than a Hummer. (Although, if we assume that the Hummer is less environmentally friendly than a truck, he is spot on. :) ).

...When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer – the Prius’s arch nemesis.

Through a study by CNW Marketing called “Dust to Dust,” the total combined energy is taken from all the electrical, fuel, transportation, materials (metal, plastic, etc) and hundreds of other factors over the expected lifetime of a vehicle. The Prius costs an average of $3.25 per mile driven over a lifetime of 100,000 miles – the expected lifespan of the Hybrid.

The Hummer, on the other hand, costs a more fiscal $1.95 per mile to put on the road over an expected lifetime of 300,000 miles. That means the Hummer will last three times longer than a Prius and use less combined energy doing it.

So, if you are really an environmentalist – ditch the Prius. Instead, buy one of the most economical cars available – a Toyota Scion xB. The Scion only costs a paltry $0.48 per mile to put on the road. If you are still obsessed over gas mileage – buy a Chevy Aveo and fix that lead foot.

One last fun fact for you: it takes five years to offset the premium price of a Prius. Meaning, you have to wait 60 months to save any money over a non-hybrid car because of lower gas expenses.


Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage | Impact Lab


Hybrid energy efficiency over their lifetime:
1. Honda Insight ($2.94 per mile)
2. Ford Escape Hybrid ($3.18 per mile)
3. Honda Civic Hybrid ($3.24 per mile)
4. Toyota Prius ($3.25 per mile)
5. Honda Accord Hybrid ($3.30 per mile)


From the Dust PDF Version at:

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/

Pure bullshit. One of the electricians where I work has a Prius with far more than 100,000 miles on it. And the Hummers are not 300,000 mile vehicles,either.

The payoff time of five years assumes no radical rise in gas prices.




Wrong again Tojo!
 

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