Toyota Pulling the Plug on their All Electric Cars

[GHook93]

I hope this is the exception not the norm! The world needs the electric car revolution!

Who Killed The Electric Car? Toyota Now Tries For That Role - Forbes

 

[waltky]

Only hybrids and fuel cells, will be offered to radically reduce emissions...

Toyota aims to nearly eliminate gasoline cars by 2050
October 14, 2015 | Toyota, under ambitious environmental targets, is aiming to sell hardly any regular gasoline vehicles by 2050, only hybrids and fuel cells, to radically reduce emissions.

The automaker promised to involve governments, affiliated companies and other "stakeholders" in its push to reduce average emissions from Toyota cars by 90 percent by about 2050, compared with 2010 levels. Electric cars weren't part of their vision, outlined by top Toyota Motor Corp. officials at a Tokyo museum on Wednesday, striking a contrast with rivals such as Nissan Motor Co., which has banked on that zero-emissions technology. Toyota's commitments come at a time when the auto industry has been shaken by a scandal at Germany's Volkswagen AG, in which it admitted it cheated on diesel emissions tests covering millions of cars. Toyota projected its annual sales of fuel cell vehicles will reach more than 30,000 by about 2020, which is 10 times its projected figure for 2017.

Fuel cells run on hydrogen and are zero-emissions. Toyota's Mirai fuel cell went on sale late last year. Toyota has received 1,500 orders for the Mirai in Japan, and it just went on sale in the U.S. and Europe. Annual sales of hybrid vehicles will reach 1.5 million and by 2020 Toyota would have sold 15 million hybrids, nearly twice what it has sold so far around the world, it said. Hybrids switch back and forth between a gasoline engine and an electric motor to deliver an efficient ride. The Toyota Prius, which went on sale in 1997, is the top-selling hybrid, with about 4 million sold globally so far. Toyota is promising to develop a hybrid version in every category, including usually gas-guzzling sport-utility vehicles, as well as luxury models. "You may think 35 years is a long time," Senior Managing Officer Kiyotaka Ise told reporters. "But for an automaker to envision all combustion engines as gone is pretty extraordinary."

Ise acknowledged some gasoline engine cars would remain in less developed markets, but only in small numbers. He and other Toyota officials insisted on the inevitability of their overall vision, stressing that the problems of global warming and environmental destruction made a move toward a hydrogen-based society a necessity. Experts agree more has to be done to curtail global warming and pollution, and nations are increasingly tightening emissions standards. But they are divided on whether all gasoline engines will disappear, or they'll stay on, thanks to greener internal combustion engines, as well as the arrival of clean diesel technology. Tatsuo Yoshida, senior analyst at Barclays Securities Japan in Tokyo, said Toyota's goals weren't far-fetched.

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[30 year chrysler mechanic]

The hybrid we should be building is series hydraulic. If you really want to piss off big oil put a liquid nitogen sc motor to a series hydraulic or a mazda rotory zero emmission hydrogen or a gun engine series hydraulic or hot vapor cycle to series hydraulic.

 

[Zander]

You mean we can't have our cars run on unicorn farts?

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

cut to heart of matter
trains get 400 mpg per mile per ton. to me as a mechanic that means a car weighing 1 ton should get close to 400 mpg. THE PROOF 1973 shell oil mpg contest winner 374 mpg during the arab oil embargo . SHELL OIL had the answer and buried it for second time . The first time technology was buried was 1930's the POGUE carburetor which did same thing in the 1973 contest that it did in 1933 , which was good enough for 2nd place. gasoiline vapor detonation engines are very fuel efficient.

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

You mean we can't have our cars run on unicorn farts?

if your car runs on gasoline you can run it on butanol or p series . if you have the e85 software you can run e85. it will run on gasoline made from natural gas or syngas . if you spend a lot you can convert to lpg or cng. or syngas. ammonia is a bifuel conversion at up to 75% ammonia to 25% gasoline.

if diesel then is it old dirty diesel or clean diesel it matters far more than public knows.

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

cut to heart of matter
trains get 400 mpg per mile per ton. to me as a mechanic that means a car weighing 1 ton should get close to 400 mpg. THE PROOF 1973 shell oil mpg contest winner 374 mpg during the arab oil embargo . SHELL OIL had the answer and buried it for second time . The first time technology was buried was 1930's the POGUE carburetor which did same thing in the 1973 contest that it did in 1933 , which was good enough for 2nd place. gasoiline vapor detonation engines are very fuel efficient.

lead was added to gasoline to stop detonation ,gasoline vapor only works with unleaded fuel. what was happening in 1973 catalytic convertors were on way and leaded fuel was on way out. when the fuel became available the technology resurfaced. DO NOT TRY TO USE ON YOUR CAR, SEVERE ENGINE DAMAGE WILL RESULT. DETONATION ENGINES REQUIRE LONG SKIRT PISTONS what they had in the beginning of 4 stroke engine age. piston slap and cylinder wear results from detonation in todays engines.

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

You mean we can't have our cars run on unicorn farts?

if your car runs on gasoline you can run it on butanol or p series . if you have the e85 software you can run e85. it will run on gasoline made from natural gas or syngas . if you spend a lot you can convert to lpg or cng. or syngas. ammonia is a bifuel conversion at up to 75% ammonia to 25% gasoline.

if diesel then is it old dirty diesel or clean diesel it matters far more than public knows.

bio diesel and vegitable oils will cause rapid particulate filter clogging and ENGINE OIL DILUTION which results in severe engine damage. in clean diesel tech engines.

old dirty diesels biodiesel is safe and will run on vegitable oil. a local farmer grows his own sunflower seed and presses the oil himself and filters it through 2 micron filter and has run it in his farm tractors for years.

hdrd is clean diesel safe at 100% and is made from same feedstocks as bio and biomass diesel.

 

[danielpalos]

i believe we merely need a fixed Standard for Infrastructure.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Wonder how much service garage dollars figure into this.

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

i believe we merely need a fixed Standard for Infrastructure.

i believe we merely need a fixed Standard for Infrastructure.

From a mechanics point of view and historical facts , IF global warming is real , why are the technologies that can really put a dent in it kept off market. 20 lbs. of co2 per gallon of fuel burned in your car. only way to reduce that is to increase mpg. every engine that would double fuel mileage has been shelved for decades. WHY is obama silent on carbon neutral fuels , high mpg engines , hydraulic hybrids , 38% efficient solar panels , 60% efficient solar thermal (jtec)
does he believe what he says or not???
ONLY xTL fuels can be carbon neutral so why are we not building these like crazy , because they can also use any fossile fuel.
we need a set goal then lets see how to get there.

solar panels mean individual energy independence. to be free or remain enslaved to utilities .

 

[30 year chrysler mechanic]

Wonder how much service garage dollars figure into this.

if bio diesel trashes your engine there is no factory warranty. chevy ford and dodge will void engine warranty if biodiesel failure is detected. if oil smells like vinegar the only reason i am smelling it is because your engine has already failed. then a oil sample sent for testing will confirm.

ethanol has destroyed millions of 2 stroke engines and oil companies not responsible. bio diesel now promises to do same thing to clean diesel engines.

 

[mamooth]

Toyota's abandoning electric vehicles makes some business sense. Go big or go home. But at the same time, Toyota is starting up with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which makes no business sense.

Toyota Mirai – The Turning Point

Efficiency wise, hydrogen powered vehicles are about one-third as efficient as electric vehicles. That's taking into account start-to-finish production and use of the hydrogen or electricity.

And there's no infrastructure for distributing hydrogen. If you want to refuel an electric car, you plug it in anywhere. It might not be a fast charge, but it will be a charge. Think of it like the internet. That started on phone lines, and gradually upgraded. The electric grid and electric cars will go the same way.

Hydrogen? A fairly painless gradual improvement isn't possible, because there's nothing to start with. If you want to refuel a hydrogen vehicle, you have to take it to a specialized refueling center, which won't exist in most areas.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hydrogen makes sense from the corporate standpoint. You are not likely to make that gas at home. EV's have that drawback from the corporate standpoint, you can economically and easily make your own fuel at home. Also, your car then becomes another power backup for your home in emergencies. And if you have a large storage battery, the 100 kw range, at home, you can easily recharge your car while you are sleeping. This is home owner independence from the energy corporations. Not something the corporations think is a good thing.

 

[danielpalos]

Wonder how much service garage dollars figure into this.

i believe the public sector could absorb those costs with any routine Infrastructure upgrades as a Standard fixed by the general government for the Union.

 

[danielpalos]

i believe we merely need a fixed Standard for Infrastructure.

i believe we merely need a fixed Standard for Infrastructure.

From a mechanics point of view and historical facts , IF global warming is real , why are the technologies that can really put a dent in it kept off market. 20 lbs. of co2 per gallon of fuel burned in your car. only way to reduce that is to increase mpg. every engine that would double fuel mileage has been shelved for decades. WHY is obama silent on carbon neutral fuels , high mpg engines , hydraulic hybrids , 38% efficient solar panels , 60% efficient solar thermal (jtec)
does he believe what he says or not???
ONLY xTL fuels can be carbon neutral so why are we not building these like crazy , because they can also use any fossile fuel.
we need a set goal then lets see how to get there.

solar panels mean individual energy independence. to be free or remain enslaved to utilities .

I believe infrastructure could be "pioneered" by the public sector, in the public domain.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Wonder how much service garage dollars figure into this.

i believe the public sector could absorb those costs with any routine Infrastructure upgrades as a Standard fixed by the general government for the Union.

Talking about scheduled oil changes and stuff like that.....stuff an electric car doesnt need

 

[danielpalos]

Wonder how much service garage dollars figure into this.

i believe the public sector could absorb those costs with any routine Infrastructure upgrades as a Standard fixed by the general government for the Union.

Talking about scheduled oil changes and stuff like that.....stuff an electric car doesnt need

i am referring to charging station technologies or fuel cell changing technologies.

 

[flacaltenn]

I hope this is the exception not the norm! The world needs the electric car revolution!

Who Killed The Electric Car? Toyota Now Tries For That Role - Forbes

CEO of Chrysler-Fiat came out last year and said on the Financial channels -- "PLEASE -- don't buy my electric car. We lose a ton of money on every one of them".. He beat Toyota to it..

But don't despair. The BETTER EV is in the wings. EVERY Korean car company, Kia, Hundai, etc -- skipped out of the plug-in car concept to make the leap to hydrogen fuel cells. And that addresses the major problems of range, fueling time, grid expansion expenses and a lot of others. Expect them to start growing sales next year..

 

[flacaltenn]

Toyota's abandoning electric vehicles makes some business sense. Go big or go home. But at the same time, Toyota is starting up with hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, which makes no business sense.

Toyota Mirai – The Turning Point

Efficiency wise, hydrogen powered vehicles are about one-third as efficient as electric vehicles. That's taking into account start-to-finish production and use of the hydrogen or electricity.

And there's no infrastructure for distributing hydrogen. If you want to refuel an electric car, you plug it in anywhere. It might not be a fast charge, but it will be a charge. Think of it like the internet. That started on phone lines, and gradually upgraded. The electric grid and electric cars will go the same way.

Hydrogen? A fairly painless gradual improvement isn't possible, because there's nothing to start with. If you want to refuel a hydrogen vehicle, you have to take it to a specialized refueling center, which won't exist in most areas.

All Bullshit as expected. There is not a lot of difference between the substantial existing network of NAT GAS fueling stations and a hydrogen fueling station. Europe already has a "Hydrogen Highway" in place. And this BS about efficiency is totally unfounded. Fuel Cells are HIGHLY efficient and the rest of the EV car design is the same as for a plug-in..

The inefficiencies are in trying to move 30% more demand to an already INEFFICIENT and ANTIQUATED electric grid.. And most likely in your head. Where inefficiencies are already legend..