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    I saw the presidents town hall meeting. The question I have is that he said that the government will not subsidize insurance that it will not happen on the government plan. umm ok but from the Presidents own record it is very clear it may very well be. Cash for clunkers comes to mind they ran out oif money the first week it was instituted and had to subsidize it. AIG how many bailouts did we subsidize a company that was to big to fail? Gm and chrysler. and the way these programs that the president has endorsed become cash cows, it may very well be that they could have an influx of people to the governemtn plan that would threaten it and the government would have to subsidize it an emergancy situation and boom tax payers are buying and carrying the heaviest burdens again. I do not have confidence that this plan will work and may overload the industry and make everyone relying on a program that we do not have the money to continue. and again the President is already considering raising taxes on less then 250k so why should you believe him when he says things like this? this scheme doesn't not take into account emergency situations that could overload it. it is not well thought out it is rushed and again dangerous for this county at this time. beside which the majority of americans have insurance already and a large percentage of the people that do not have it becasue they themselves declined it. to me health care is not the most pressing issue at this time. Maybe in 2 years but give me a break. it seems all the President knows how to do is throw money at problems, because that is all I have seen from him and that stimulas plan wow....shovel ready projects.....how can you work construction in the winter time in the north repairing roads....temp work only....not thought out total garbage and money wasted. People want regular jobs not 15k a year jobs that only last ummm 5 months out oif every year. Unless you move everyone to the south then they can work construction all year long...but you people bought it.


    I am on a government run plan and it is terrible, to see a specialist I have to wait till 2010 hell I just need to reverify my prescription on reading glasses and the military specialists can't see me till 2010 in february. so You can see why I am against this plan it doesn't workj when the government controls such things, the ten pages of forms I have to fill out need to be processed which will take about 2 weeks to get the referal then I wait to get an appointment to get the referral paperwork then I can make an appointment downtown. so good luck with this health care crap, it may work like a champ at first but it will get very bogged down in a very short period of time and soon it won 't work at all.
     
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    Since you live in Alaska, you're already getting way more than you put in from the Federal gov't. Alaska is the most subsidized state we have. Alaskans get kickbacks from the state on top of that. So the weather is cold and the supply chain is slow up there. There's nothing we can do about that, it's a fact. Move if you can't cope with it.
     
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    I just need to reverify my prescription on reading glasses and the military specialists can't see me till 2010 in february

    There is nothing to see here...move along.:lol:
     
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    my son is on state medical, never has a problem seeing his doctor. If he needs it they even have urgent care and this an office that sees mostly state medical patients.
     
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    What are you talking about? Kickbacks are from the Oil revenue basically it puts residents in charge of the states resources, Instead of the federal governemnt which of course the feds do not care about anything unless it is a state with voting power so that money would go toward nothing good in Alaska if the feds controled it. Probably the smartest move anystate could do is put its residents in command of the states resources, but what the heck do you know.

    Are you telling me that a state gets more federal government assistance which only has a population of less then 700k people and they get more money than any other state? Again you show your lack of intelligence.

    Oh and I was refering to Obamas policies that were not thought out....my problem with the stimulas was for the hardest hit states. Ohio. michigan, pennsylvania new york, of which the shovel ready projects are of no use and of little value to in the winter time. My point is every program I see Obama endorses has and is filled with flaws that are not even covered, But I guess you agree with all his programs, I can point out major flaws in everything he and his admin has endorsed, you just need to use common sense and read it forget about the hype from the left or the right.
     
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    What are YOU talking about?

    The Federal Gov't owns 75% of Alaska, and they subsidize the rest so people will live there. Your oil revenues were bought with Federal Money, because we bought Alaska with Federal Money. Ya'll weren't in the revolution.

    You're #1 in pork per capita.
     
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    The feds do not subsidize the permament fund it was written in the Alaskan constitution. Are you talking about the 1 mill dollars the US bought it from Russia? well what about the lousiana purchase which bought pretty much the whole mid and south west? so what ,the civil war was fought for state rights it is in the Alaska constitution. it is run by a semi private corporation to keep politics out on how it is spent. but it still needs approval from the legislative branch in Alaska. The feds have been trying to get their hands on it for years. then senator Hillary Clinton wrote a bill trying to seize the fund, but it was shot down, I am for small government. ANd yes My ancestors did fight in the revolution. the feds do not own the oil. the dividend is used for instate projects and dividend rembursment all within the state no fed money is used. they control ANWR true but that is the biggest lie I have ever seen, Animal nation wildlife refuge, above the timber line no trees just artic tundra with no animals, been up there quite a bit, but politics skews it to make people believe their is tons of animals up there that need protecting it is a lifeless ice sheaf period. it is run by the peopole with little government oversite and it works. get the feds involved and it won't period
     
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    Hey, allright! Another vote for Socialism! Are you a member of the Socialist Party?
     
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    Well, from your statement highlighted in red, I see that you are a liar and a fool.

    Background - Caribou in ANWR

    Caribou in ANWR
    Caribou are the most numerous large mammals in the Coastal Plain. Two herds migrate through the area at different times of the year. The Porcupine Caribou Herd (named after the Porcupine River) and the Central Arctic Herd. The Porcupine Herd, which numbers approximately 123,000 animals, generally spends time during the summer months on the Coastal Plain, and the smaller Central Arctic Herd, approximately 32,000 animals, stay to the west of the Coastal Plain. The following discussion focuses on the Porcupine Herd, but basic features of the ecology and annual cycle of events are similar for both

    Mammals of ANWR- Mammals of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

    Caribou in Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
    Photo © Theo Allofs / GettyImages.The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is located within the arctic circle, in the northeast corner of Alaska. Within its boundaries, large-scale ecosystems still function as intact systems. There are no roads within the reserve and as a result a diverse community of arctic wildlife thrives there.

    The refuge and its nearby waters are home to 45 species of mammals including whales, bears, rodents and many others. The following is a list of the mammal species (sorted by taxonomic class) that inhabit the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge:

    Bears (Family Ursidae)
    Black Bear (Ursus americanus)
    Brown Bear (Ursus arctos)
    Polar Bear (Ursus maritimus)

    Cats (Family Felidae)
    Lynx (Lynx canadensis)


    Cattle, Sheep, and Relatives (Family Bovidae)
    Dall Sheep (Ovis dalli)
    Muskox (Ovibos moschatus)

    Deer (Family Cervidae)
    Caribou (Rangifer tarandus)
    Moose (Alces alces)

    Foxes and Wolves (Family Canidae)
    Arctic Fox (Alopex lagopus)
    Coyote (Canis latrans)
    Gray Wolf (Canis lupus)
    Red Fox (Vulpes vulpes)

    Hares and Rabbits (Order Lagomorpha)
    Snowshoe Hare (Lepus americanus)

    Seals and Walrus (Order Pinnipedia)
    Bearded Seal (Erignathus barbatus)
    Ringed Seal (Phoca hispida)
    Spotted Seal (Phoca largha)
    Walrus (Odobenus rosmarus)

    Shrews (Order Soricomorpha)
    Arctic Shrew (Sorex arcticus)
    Dusky Shrew (Sorex monticolus)
    Masked (Common) Shrew (Sorex cinereus)
    Pygmy Shrew (Sorex hoyi)

    Squirrels, Mice, Porcupines, and Relatives (Order Rodentia)
    Alaska Marmot (Marmota broweri)
    Arctic Ground Squirrel (Spermophilus parryii)
    Beaver (Castor canadensis)
    Brown Lemming (Lemmus trimucronatus)
    Collared Lemming (Dicrostonyx groenlandicus)
    Meadow Jumping Mouse (Zapus hudsonius)
    Meadow Vole (Microtus pennsylvanicus)
    Muskrat (Ondatra zibethicus)
    Northern Bog Lemming (Synaptomys borealis)
    Northern Red-backed Vole (Myodes rutilus)
    Porcupine (Erethizon dorsatum)
    Red Squirrel (Tamiasciurus hudsonicus)
    Singing Vole (Microtus miurus)
    Tundra Vole (Microtus oeconomus)
    Yellow-cheeked Vole (Microtus xanthognathus)

    Weasels and Relatives (Family Mustelidae)
    Ermine (Mustela erminea)
    Least Weasel (Mustela nivalis)
    Marten (Martes americana)
    Mink (Neovison vison)
    River Otter (Lontra canadensis)
    Wolverine (Gulo gulo)

    Whales (Order Cetacea)
    Bowhead Whale (Balaena mysticetus)
    Beluga Whale (Delphinapterus leucas)
    Gray Whale (Eschrichtius robustus)
    Narwhal (Monodon monoceros)
     
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    You get more back from the Federal Gov't than you put in.........like most red states.
     

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