Top ten countries in the world all have national health insurance

[Dr Grump]

Ahhm, in the Marxist doctrine, Communism was the ultimate thing, which was why several eastern block countries to to skip the socialism at all.

Concerning Hitler and big buisness, are you seriously arguing that a politician that basically outlawed trade unions is on the left?
The argument "Hitler was leftist" will not hold up with anyone who has a modicum of historical education, it is simply totally wrong.

Bingo....They think the Socialist angle of National Socialist somehow means something. Hitler was such a socialist he decided that he and Stalin were on the same page......

 

[Maple]

National health insurance is not socialism.

Doctors would still own their practices, and hospitals would still be privately owned.

Just another stupid Republican scare tactic. Republicans are all about fear.

Fear of people with brown skin mostly.

BOTTOM LINE CHRIS- We can not afford either one of these plans, not the public option or the new senate cooperative version.

The senate version would tax cadillac plans that the Unions enjoy at 38%, a family of 4 making 77,000 would pay 10,000 for health insurance during a one year period. Neither one of these plans are gonna fly, there is absolutely no reason to talk about rationing, quality, etc. WE CAN'T FIND THE MONEY TO PAY FOR EITHER OF THESE PLANS.

Both would add incredible debt and you will be paying much higher taxes on everything.

85% of Americans who have insurance are happy with their coverage, obviously congress has not gotten that yet, fix the 15 % with legislation. Tort reform, health savings plans competition within states, catastrophic plans, group small business, find and fix the fraud that takes place in Medicare, .20 on the dollar, legislate that insurers cover pre-existing conditions and cover for a 2 month period should you lose your job so that the person can jump on a catastrophic plan. That's it. Done deal!!!

 

[rubberhead]

Ahhm, in the Marxist doctrine, Communism was the ultimate thing, which was why several eastern block countries to to skip the socialism at all.

Concerning Hitler and big buisness, are you seriously arguing that a politician that basically outlawed trade unions is on the left?
The argument "Hitler was leftist" will not hold up with anyone who has a modicum of historical education, it is simply totally wrong.

I'm not sure what point you are making, but socialism is on the left, therefore Hitler was on the left. Fascism is also on the left. Some say that authoritarianism is on the right, but I prefer to think of the right as the direction of less government. This means that 'social' conservatives are not on the right in my view because they intend to influence peoples' behavior through policy. This puts them on the left on my scale.

 

[rubberhead]

Ahhm, in the Marxist doctrine, Communism was the ultimate thing, which was why several eastern block countries to to skip the socialism at all.

Concerning Hitler and big buisness, are you seriously arguing that a politician that basically outlawed trade unions is on the left?
The argument "Hitler was leftist" will not hold up with anyone who has a modicum of historical education, it is simply totally wrong.

You don't need a modicum of historical education to know that once socialism is in place, unions are a threat to the system and, if the system works as it should, unions are unnecessary because the public get what their entitled to in every case. Hitler sold himself as a champion of the laborer. Whether or not this was actually the case, those are the people he represented.

We're getting off topic on your history lesson. You need to take a look at how you are interpreting history before you go about advocating the repeating of it.

 

[rubberhead]

Ahhm, in the Marxist doctrine, Communism was the ultimate thing, which was why several eastern block countries to to skip the socialism at all.

Concerning Hitler and big buisness, are you seriously arguing that a politician that basically outlawed trade unions is on the left?
The argument "Hitler was leftist" will not hold up with anyone who has a modicum of historical education, it is simply totally wrong.

Bingo....They think the Socialist angle of National Socialist somehow means something. Hitler was such a socialist he decided that he and Stalin were on the same page......

Wow, Dawkins really is an idiot. Faith is unavoidable. Check it out:

The Incompleteness Theorems - shows the limits of logic
The Uncertainty Principle - shows the limits of observations
The Halting Problem - shows the limits of computation

observation + logic + computation = science

Even as the limits of science have become abundantly clear, we still have dumbasses like Dawkins pretending like we can escape faith.

I'm not sure what your point is either. I guess your saying that we're comparing Obama to Hitler and that's a false comparison so our arguments are invalidated. Nope, try again... You should go visit your local Church of Reason and pay penance for making such a lame counterargument.

If you want to know what the argument is, then you should go back and read it. And just so you don't get distracted, skip the parts about Hitler. I know, it's like saying 'don't think of an elephant.'