Top ten countries in the world all have national health insurance

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    Top ten countries in the world all have national health insurance : There's an obvious correlation. There's causation too. Healthcare spending in those countries averages around 8% of GDP, in the US it's 18%.

    Would you like an extra 10% pay?
     
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    Chris you truly are an intellectual baffoon. For the upteenth time. Whether it works in other countries or not (which is also open for debate) is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Because whatever plan we ultimately come up with needs to work here. The variables differentiating us from other countries are so many that it is completely pointless to hold them up as examples that universal health care can work here.
     
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    The buffoonery is Bern80's drivel.

    If the Europeans have done it right, we will do it even better.

    Bern buddy, look at me, look me in the eyes, look at me. That's better. It will be OK, buddy, it will be OK.
     
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    Top ten countries in the world all have national health insurance : There's an obvious correlation. There's causation too. Healthcare spending in those countries averages around 8% of GDP, in the US it's 18%.

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    You mentioned a causation. Was that just rhetoric? Or are you going to reinforce that assertion with evidence.

    Although I don't believe in single-payer (socialized) medicine, there are several points where I agree with Zeke Emanuel. Oddly enough, they happen to be the points that none of the mouthpieces are mentioning. In "The Perfect Storm of Overutilization", Zeke Emanuel et. al. states:

    In normal markets, demand is modulated by cost. But
    third-party payment for patients attenuates this control.

    This is extremely insightful and I think it hits the heart of the issue. I don't think it is completely correct, though. Yes, price controls demand to some degree. But health care is an extremely inelastic commodity. That is, it is so essential to one's well-being that as the price goes up, certain individuals' demand for it does not diminish. Especially if the patient's life is threatened.

    This is the property of the health care market that created an opportunity for insurance companies to insulate people from the growing cost of health care. Thus, the problem is inherent to the fee-for-service system. That is to say, there is a moral hazard for health care providers that raise prices without considering the rigidity of demand. Notice this has nothing to do with insurance providers because they are merely filling a need because that's what creative people do in a market economy. Also, note that it is not a moral imperative to radically change our system.

    Price controls on providers seems to be a remedy that wouldn't interfere with medical decisions directly. This merely amounts to protecting health care consumers. However, pretending that health care is a right (like Teddy Kennedy wanted to do) will just turn people into slaves. Health care is a service provided by a firm and we show our appreciation for the provider of that service by paying them, because they are free to refuse to provide that service, even if we pretend that they are not.

    It won't let me post a link to Zeke Emanuel's article, but you can find it in references section of the wikipedia article about him.
     
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    Poor Jakey, he does not seem to understand America is no longer part of Europe holdings. France and Spain sold their interest in this country back in the 1800's. Brits were told to take a hike and the people agreed this country would be a country for the people by the people. Bern's drivel is at least worth reading at times, Jakey, yours is not.
     
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    Sorry you don't get it, bub. But your day is over, forever.
     
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    What place is america in in the world?


    11th, 12th? further down the line?
     
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    In healthcare, we're #37
     
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    Too bad the cons can't come up with anything. The GOP is the party of NO.
     
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    CONS WANT:

    Tort Reform
    Insurance Reform (AKA Stop denials for illness and pre-existing conditions)


    See they have a plan, its just simple and feasible and wont but undue stress on the nations economy and tax system. The dems want to create chaos so they can be elected to fix it later.
     

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