Top 10 Freest Countries Have Government Health Care

Yep. The US is way behind.

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National health care actually enhances individual freedom; workers are more mobile in terms of work and geography. They are no longer tied to employers to maintain health care benefits.

That's the main reason that U.S. business interests fund "conservative" professional politicians. Greater worker mobility means higher wages to entice them, and that means lower profits for businesses. Hence, Republican funders oppose national health care initiatives; they want to keep their workers under control.
 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.
 
. Hence, Republican funders oppose national health care initiatives; they want to keep their workers under control.

Completely stupid and liberal as always!! Employers like to be able to hire who they need and they often can't do it if a worker is tied to another company by health insurance. Do you ever think before you post?
 
Yep. The US is way behind.

Amazon Welcome to the board and I love your avi. If you haven't eaten lately and/or have a strong stomach, be sure to read the posts of some of our nazi fans.

Great signature too.

Party on.

Way behind?
We are 12th on that list of 169 countries.
We need health care that focuses on affordable and quality care, not this one that is all about how many number of people get it and control, plus having to get additional insurance that isn't coved under it.
 
We need health care that focuses on affordable and quality care,

Yes and of course capitalism is the way to get it, not socialism. Under capitalism people shop with their own money so they shop carefully and providers compete on the basis of price and quality.

Its seems simple but a liberal will lack the IQ to understand it, believe it or not!!
 
We need health care that focuses on affordable and quality care,

Yes and of course capitalism is the way to get it, not socialism. Under capitalism people shop with their own money so they shop carefully and providers compete on the basis of price and quality.

Its seems simple but a liberal will lack the IQ to understand it, believe it or not!!

I don't think so, most libs have to see it to believe it.They need the proof.
Bono - a lefty saw how Capitalism was really working in Africa in order to believe it.
Then he said "I can't believe this is actually coming out of my mouth, but Capitalism works"! :)
 
We need health care that focuses on affordable and quality care,

Yes and of course capitalism is the way to get it, not socialism. Under capitalism people shop with their own money so they shop carefully and providers compete on the basis of price and quality.

Its seems simple but a liberal will lack the IQ to understand it, believe it or not!!

I don't think so, most libs have to see it to believe it.They need the proof.
Bono - a lefty saw how Capitalism was really working in Africa in order to believe it.
Then he said "I can't believe this is actually coming out of my mouth, but Capitalism works"! :)

well liberals can see capitalism all around them everyday yet they still have no ability to understand it. They never saw real socialism yet they are sure it is better than capitalism. I guess they really don't beleive the Stalin's and Mao's liberalism slowly starved 125 million to death.
 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.
The authority to establish universal health care is granted in the first sentence of the 10th amendment, " . . . the power to . . .provide for the general welfare of the United States."
 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.
The authority to establish universal health care is granted in the first sentence of the 10th amendment, " . . . the power to . . .provide for the general welfare of the United States."

please remember as a liberal you will be stupid. THe Constitution would be unnecessary
if the govt could do anything it wanted using the excuse it was providing for the general welfare.
 
Oooooo, IT'S FREE. ya wonder why are you who wants that aren't leaving for one of them? You're too lazy and would just rather stay here and FORCE it on us here.


 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.
The authority to establish universal health care is granted in the first sentence of the 10th amendment, " . . . the power to . . .provide for the general welfare of the United States."

sorry, you idiots don't get to make up your own interpretation of what that MEANS. If that was the case Obama with his OScamCare would still be POWER
 
I lost my job of over twenty years right after Obamcare went into effect, so did older people at the company. Crying won't help. Obama is a disaster, an out of touch multicultural train wreck. Damn you people that put him in office, you stupid dingbats. This isn't what living in the top 10 freest countries should be about.
 
Nice. 12th. Pretty good considering most of what they judged us on is controlled by individual states. Also, why was Hong Kong separate? I thought they were now part of
China.

By the way, capitalism works.
 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.
 
Many countries chose a long time ago to guarantee their citizens cradle-to-grave healthcare. Those countries began building hospitals, laboratories and clinics, hiring doctors and nurses, building nursing homes, and so on. The government did all this.

And now their governments are more or less well situated and equipped to provide healthcare to all.

There are some problems with it - waiting lists for certain surgeries and procedures, and so on. Their doctors don't make as much as their counterparts in the U.S.

But who cares, really?

The United States is prevented by its Constitution from guaranteeing cradle-to-grave healthcare, as they do in, for example, Canada. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the Federal government from (basically) doing anything other than the 17 things set out in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution.

For your edification, I have reproduced them here:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; To establish post offices and post roads; To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries; To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court; To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations; To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water; To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years; To provide and maintain a navy; To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces; To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

You may notice that the Congress and President now TOTALLY DISREGARD the provisions of the Tenth Amendment, and take upon themselves any and all powers that they feel like. But that was not always the case, and at the time in history when the "healthcare" decision might have been made, we still took the Tenth Amendment seriously.

And because "we" didn't amend the Constitution and do the right thing in, say 1945, we have evolved in a different way such that it will never be possible to have socialized medicine the way the countries in Europe now do. Insurance companies would be superfluous (scratch a couple million jobs). Doctors would make a fraction of what they do now. Medical schools would have to be funded by government, and admission would be stricktly on merit. It simply wouldn't work.

So today's Democrats would like, alternatively, to have the so-called "single-payer" system, in which, basically, everyone in the country would be on Medicare/Medicaid, and the insurance companies would be superfluous. The purpose of Obama-care was to create a bureaucratic nightmare so awful that the people would quickly rise up and DEMAND single-payer.

So from that standpoint, maybe it's not a failure.

the Republican plan would seem revolutionary to our retarded liberals. It would require, among other things, posted prices for all goods and services rendered. That way people could shop intelligently. Its simple to a child just not a liberal.
 

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