Top 10 Countries With Highest Household Debt All Socialist

[frigidweirdo]

Debbie WTF is your definition in your own words. Your link it can mean anything.

Check this in Wikipedia the history of socialism. it says socialism in the first half of the twentieth century was mainly referring to the USSR, but afterafter World War 2 that became communism and socialism is usually democratic and the first thing it needs pal is Universal Healthcare.
Or just keep going around in circles with the brainwashed u.s. populace.
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And who is Debbie exactly?

I tried to go back and change that but it's too late that is my smartphone talking or listening....

History of socialism - Wikipedia

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, if we go for Socialist being a country with some Socialism, then the US is a Socialist country.

Try - education. Mass education is socialist.

Public libraries.

Police force

Armed forces

Infrastructure

Public parks

Social security

You know, Socialist things in the US.

Not quite you need Health Care at least I think. "we are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ACA passed.

Why do you need healthcare? Because it's convenient for an argument?

Rubbish.

The problem here is that people will move the borders of things in order to make an argument stick.

What's a socialist country? Probably one that has full scale socialism, which I'd say is the means of production.

Healthcare, armed forces, police, infrastructure, all socialized, doesn't make a socialized country.

As I said, socialism is an economic term, the definition from the dictionary is a state where means of production are owned or regulated by the community. But today there is pure socialism which is communism and doesn't work, and socialism is just fair well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. We need Universal Health Care to qualify as socialists. The prime minister of Finland and I know best I guess. I have had many discussions in foreign countries about it and I know my 20th century history. I have a masters in history and and speak fluent French civilization.

No, Socialism is where the means of production are in the hands of the government.

Communism is when there is no government and the means of production are in the hands of the people.

Very different.

No, you don't need universal healthcare to be socialist and couldn't give a rats ass about you CV making you think you're somehow superior to other people and therefore you must be right.

In the hands of the government can meet a lot of things... Ownership through regulation, communism through Democratic socialism,--which is redundant nowadays.

Yes, it could mean a lot of things. And?

 

[francoHFW]

And who is Debbie exactly?

I tried to go back and change that but it's too late that is my smartphone talking or listening....

History of socialism - Wikipedia

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

It was pretty short on my phone anyway. Google history of socialism Wikipedia should be short can't I will try to copy...

 

[francoHFW]

And who is Debbie exactly?

I tried to go back and change that but it's too late that is my smartphone talking or listening....

History of socialism - Wikipedia

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]
What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]

 

[frigidweirdo]

I tried to go back and change that but it's too late that is my smartphone talking or listening....

History of socialism - Wikipedia

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]
What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]

Right, so your argument is "In general, the first half of the 20th century socialism referred to the USSR communism "

What you've quotes says that "democratic Socialism" is in contrast to the USSR.

It also says that the USSR was the first nominally Socialist state.

The it says "led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model,"

"widespread association" is not "referred to" in any way.

The issue here is that the USSR was NOT COMMUNIST. It said it was Communist, but it can't be Communist because it had a state and a leadership and there was no democracy that Communism requires.

So, people were saying the USSR was actually Socialist and not Communist.

Whereas what you think you read was that Socialism was Communism because the USSR was Communist, but it wasn't.

 

[francoHFW]

History of socialism - Wikipedia

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]
What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]

Right, so your argument is "In general, the first half of the 20th century socialism referred to the USSR communism "

What you've quotes says that "democratic Socialism" is in contrast to the USSR.

It also says that the USSR was the first nominally Socialist state.

The it says "led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model,"

"widespread association" is not "referred to" in any way.

The issue here is that the USSR was NOT COMMUNIST. It said it was Communist, but it can't be Communist because it had a state and a leadership and there was no democracy that Communism requires.

So, people were saying the USSR was actually Socialist and not Communist.

Whereas what you think you read was that Socialism was Communism because the USSR was Communist, but it wasn't.

The communism you are referring to is so unrealistic.it never existed and never will....

 

[frigidweirdo]

And... which bit? Fucking hell.

Read the whole thing. It's the last couple of paragraphs.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]
What? No, fuck off am I reading the whole thing so that you can prove a point.

While all tendencies of socialism consider themselves democratic, the term "democratic socialism" is often used to highlight its advocates' high value for democratic processes in the economy and democratic political systems,[30] usually to draw contrast to tendencies they may be perceived to be undemocratic in their approach. Democratic socialism is frequently used to draw contrast to the political system of the Soviet Union, which critics argue operated in an authoritarian fashion.[31][32][33]

By the late 19th century, after the work of Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels, socialism had come to signify opposition to capitalism and advocacy for a post-capitalist system based on some form of social ownership of the means of production.[34][35] By the 1920s, social democracy and communism had become the two dominant political tendencies within the international socialist movement.[36] By this time, socialism emerged as "the most influential secular movement of the twentieth century, worldwide. It is a political ideology (or world view), a wide and divided political movement"[37]and while the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model, many economists and intellectuals argued that in practice the model functioned as a form of state capitalism[38][39][40] or a non-planned administrative or command economy.[41][42] Socialist parties and ideas remain a political force with varying degrees of power and influence on all continents, heading national governments in many countries around the world. Today, some socialists have also adopted the causes of other social movements, such as environmentalism, feminism and liberalism.[43]

Right, so your argument is "In general, the first half of the 20th century socialism referred to the USSR communism "

What you've quotes says that "democratic Socialism" is in contrast to the USSR.

It also says that the USSR was the first nominally Socialist state.

The it says "led to socialism's widespread association with the Soviet economic model,"

"widespread association" is not "referred to" in any way.

The issue here is that the USSR was NOT COMMUNIST. It said it was Communist, but it can't be Communist because it had a state and a leadership and there was no democracy that Communism requires.

So, people were saying the USSR was actually Socialist and not Communist.

Whereas what you think you read was that Socialism was Communism because the USSR was Communist, but it wasn't.

The communism you are referring to is so unrealistic.it never existed and never will....

Wait, it takes a master is history to figure this out?

What's your point here?

Have we agreed that the crap you were talking about before is crap then?

Communism is a THEORY. Any fucker and his dog who have studied history should know this. Every fucker should also know that Communism has not existed in the modern world, regardless of China, the USSR and Cuba claiming otherwise.