Bull Ring Tommy T (or Lysistrata): Can you answer reply by Dekster to your OP?

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  1. emilynghiem
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    Tommy Tainant Thanks for bringing up the issue of benefits of national health safety net programs
    American Diabetic doesnt want to come back to the US
    in cases where patients can't afford meds like insulin.

    I thought Dekster's response was well presented:
    American Diabetic doesnt want to come back to the US

    Ridgerunner doesn't think this post will get read, understood or answered
    by the people it was addressed to
    I thought Dekster's point was well made.

    Tommy Tainant would you mind replying and explaining if this is accurate or
    incorrect? Don't the US govt and pharmaceutical companies end up subsidizing
    the research for medical development charged to taxpayers but not passed overseas?

    Also which problem comes first: the US govt and businesses
    funding research through Big Pharm so it jacks up the prices in the US?
    Is it the fact that Big Pharm has corrupted the free market with excess profit,
    so it ties up the govt in that mess. And THAT is what leads to the problems
    both you and Dekster point out.

    Can you answer Dekster's post. Even if that means admitting
    you are both right, and the problem is bigger than just protesting one side or the other.

    Thanks! If Tommy doesn't answer, can I open this one on one thread to Lysistrata to get an answer from someone else (besides me reading both sides to understand the problems causing both objections).
     
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    I already answered his points - debunked.

    The problem you have is that everybody is looking to fill their pockets and that drives up the costs. I am sure there is a lot more to it than that but ask yourself why the US is the only country still without a modern healthcare service.
     
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    Dekster (and/or Ridgerunner)
    1. Do you agree that Tommy Tainant "debunked" the claims the US subsidizes costs of research and
    medication sold cheaper to other nations?

    2. Tommy Tainant do you also address the issue I've found
    with NONPROFIT cooperative direct associations taking away all this excess profit and waste
    So there IS A SOLUTION that DOESN'T REQUIRE GOVT mandating the central programs to get services at cost.

    People can do this directly so it retains free choice that Govt is not equipped to manage for such large diverse populations.

    Are you taking nonprofits into consideration that do a better job of minimizing costs, maximizing benefits access and choice,
    while totally avoiding the politics, conflicts and bureaucracy of going through govt?

    Is this part of the problem? Not just getting rid of profits exploiting medical needs
    but also the shift in mindset and RESPONSIBILITY where people understand the REAL costs of medical services
    and how much can be saved by taking back control and running this democratically through cooperatives
    instead of through govt representation that adds burdens and costs of bureaucracy!
     
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    Fragmenting the service would increase the costs. Big is beautiful when looking at insurance schemes, The NHS is basically a big insurance scheme.
    I know you are keen on your suggestion Emily but the problem has already been solved across the world.
     
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    Best Medicine in the world is practiced in the USA... If the problem has been solved why do folks travel from worldwide to the US to receive medical care?
     
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    I'm still not clear on why drugs have to cost so much more here than in the rest of the world. Yes, development costs are huge, but if the same drug, made by the same manufacturer can be sold for a profit elsewhere, why can't it be sold for that price here? No need to let them make all their profit off of us and let the rest of the world slide. Could someone explain that to me?
     
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    The same drugs made by the same manufacturers cost less in other countries. Those drugs don't work any better here than they do in other countries.
     
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    The fragmented state of US healthcare makes it easier to hike prices. And of course the hospital and the insurance company need to show a profit.
     
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    I am not an expert in the field but the way I have it figured is that the drugs are sold for the same prices around the world... The reason that Joe Sixpack gets Meds at reduced rates is because the government where ever Joe lives at subsidizes the cost... So Joe has all ready paid for the drugs whether he uses them or not... Somebody has to pay for the drugs... This how Socialized Medicine works...
     
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    OMG!!! Those people should be tarred and feathered... Profit ppfffttt! That shit has to stop immediately...
     

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