Toll Roads - Government Greed at it's worst

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    Well, that's what they did in Kansas, dude. Kansas cut taxes, erased a surplus, created massive deficits, and closed those deficits by raiding the highway fund, closing schools early, increasing tolls and user/access fees, increasing tuition costs for state colleges, increasing co-pays and co-insurance for Medicaid patients, and raiding the welfare block grant. It's been well documented. Pay attention.


    This is a familiar, general, vague refrain that you hope casts you as some sort of spendthrift when the reality is that most of the waste comes from low taxes that supposedly create growth but never do.


    More is wasted on tax cuts for the rich that never trickle down.

    Conservatives say government is the problem, then get elected and prove it.
     
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    One failure? Problem is that Kansas' model is the one currently working its way through the conference committee. The Kansas model has been the standard Conservative model for 40 years. It has never once delivered on any of the promises made of it. McConnell even said of the Kansas model in 2012 that "it's what we want to do here [in Washington] but can't, for now".


    Kansas did cut spending, and the result was an even worse economy. So bad were the trickle-down tax cuts that Republicans voted to repeal them this past spring.
     
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    Currently the proposed fixes for the Highway Fund is raising the gas tax 50%. A mile usage tax which would require computer tracking and loss of privacy. Increasing the amount of toll roads, and a mile usage tax with a twist that has different rates based on time and the anount of traffic. Then there is Trumps plan of using 167 billion in tax credits to fund it which makes absolutely no sen se. These a
    If you do not fund it it will not happen it is that fucking simple. That is not sheeple it is simple economics.
     
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    Where does the money come from? At some point you have to realize that government produces nothing. Reducing government can only result in more money for the producers. Where the dysfunction results is somewhere else. You need to figure that out.
     
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    Government produces plenty, and government spends directly into the economy. Tax cuts never get spent in the economy. All they do is create deficits. Even toddster admitted that tax cuts reduce the amount of money the government has...ergo, tax cuts create deficits.
     
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    Government produces NOTHING. It's a middle-man, a facilitator, overhead.
    The more efficiently it can be run, the lower the taxes. The lower the tax burden, the more money people have to spend and create demand.
     
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    Government isn't an insurance company. Government produces most of the scientific research that is then commercialized. Government produces infrastructure that creates the environment for the economy to grow. Capitalism cannot succeed without a strong government to manage it. The less the government manages it, the worse the economy does. That's been the pattern and why Democratic Presidents always have better growth (either GDP or employment, or both) than Republican ones over the last 40 years.


    Of course. But you don't seem to know what "efficiency" means. And that's because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, so you use these vague, general terms to posture.
     
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    The roads in Houston were just fine before toll roads.
     
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    Government produces NOTHING. It is a facilitator, a middle-man, overhead and relies on the capital of actual producers.
     
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    Someone has been snorting ozone
     
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