Today...The Other Holocaust

PoliticalChic

Diamond Member
Gold Supporting Member
Oct 6, 2008
124,898
60,271
2,300
Brooklyn, NY
1. Not to say that that there were only two holocausts, as human beings have a propensity for slaughter that is truly shocking....

....but, in addition to that perpetrated by the Nazis, the one that begin April 24, 1915 is not only horrifically outstanding.....

...but has yet to be answered for.



2. " Though the term "genocide" was not coined until 1944, acts of genocide have been committed throughout history.... “Genocide,” a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group, came into general usage only after World War II,..."
What Is Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com

a. " In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,..."
The UN Convention, Article II, Convention on Genocide



The Armenian Holocaust.

3. The Ottoman Turks have at least two characteristics which will resonate with the study of genocide in modern times......they were close allies with Germany....and the were Muslim.

".... there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead,....


On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began.
That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts.

They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.




.... during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property."
Armenian Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com


April 24.
 
Last edited:
In the midst of all the horrors of WWI

It is hard to believe this has been brushed over by history
 
4. ".... the Armenian genocide appears like a model for the Shoah [the Nazi version]. Obsessed by a racist and nationalist world view, the Young Turks intended to transform the multi-national and multi-religious Ottoman Empire into a homogenous “Volksgemeinschaft” [community]. Since racial characteristics were difficult to determine in the mixed population of Turkey, religion became the indicator of “true Turkishness."
A “true Turk” had to follow Sunni Islam.



Only the “purity” of homogeneity would save Turkey from “inner microbes” and “parasites” and make it strong enough to fight for the pan-Turkish vision, a mythical Turkish “fatherland” named “Turan”, "
MercatorNet What Pius XII learned from the other holocaust



Eerie how similar the experience is to Nazi Germany, where Jewish people were characterized in much the same manner as non-Muslims in Ottoman Turkey...

"As long as there have been men on the earth, the struggle between man and the subhuman will be the historic rule; the Jewish-led struggle against the mankind, as far back as we can look, is part of the natural course of life on our planet. One can be convinced with full certainty that this struggle for life and death is just as much a law of nature as is the struggle of an infection to corrupt a healthy body."
Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler 1935



There are lessons to be learned. One is that in the face of evil, pacifism is its handmaiden.
 
Turkey seems to brush this off as "shit happens during war"

But it is hard to argue that it was not an organized attempt to destroy the Christian Armenian civilian population
 
'There was no Armenian genocide'

Contrary to the Armenian allegations, in fact, there is no consensus among the historians and legal experts to qualify the events of 1915 as “genocide”.

There is a legitimate historical controversy concerning the interpretation of the events in question and most of the scholars who have propounded a contra genocide viewpoint are of the highest calibre and repute, including Bernard Lewis, Stanford Shaw, David Fromkin, Justin McCarthy, Guenther Lewy, Norman Stone, Kamuran Gürün, Michael Gunter, Gilles Veinstein, Andrew Mango, Roderic Davidson, J.C. Hurwitz, William Batkay, Edward J. Erickson and Steven Katz.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. A good number of well-respected scholars recognize the deportation decision in 1915, taken under World War I conditions, as a security measure to stop the Armenians from co-operating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia.

There was no Armenian genocide
 
'There was no Armenian genocide'

Contrary to the Armenian allegations, in fact, there is no consensus among the historians and legal experts to qualify the events of 1915 as “genocide”.

There is a legitimate historical controversy concerning the interpretation of the events in question and most of the scholars who have propounded a contra genocide viewpoint are of the highest calibre and repute, including Bernard Lewis, Stanford Shaw, David Fromkin, Justin McCarthy, Guenther Lewy, Norman Stone, Kamuran Gürün, Michael Gunter, Gilles Veinstein, Andrew Mango, Roderic Davidson, J.C. Hurwitz, William Batkay, Edward J. Erickson and Steven Katz.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. A good number of well-respected scholars recognize the deportation decision in 1915, taken under World War I conditions, as a security measure to stop the Armenians from co-operating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia.

There was no Armenian genocide

Not taking basic humanitarian precautions during a deportation equates to genocide
There is also ample evidence that those deportations included executions
 
Last edited:
"After the World War I, the Armenian allegations were investigated between 1919-1922 as part of a legal process against the Ottoman Officials. 144 high ranking officials were accused of “massacres” and deported for trial by Britain to the island of Malta. The information which led to the trial was mainly given by the local Armenians and the Armenian Patriarchate. While the deportees were interned on Malta, The British occupation forces in Istanbul, with absolute power and authority, looked everywhere to find evidence in order to incriminate the deportees. At the conclusion of the investigation, no evidence was found that could corroborate the Armenian claims."

There was no Armenian genocide
 
'There was no Armenian genocide'

Contrary to the Armenian allegations, in fact, there is no consensus among the historians and legal experts to qualify the events of 1915 as “genocide”.

There is a legitimate historical controversy concerning the interpretation of the events in question and most of the scholars who have propounded a contra genocide viewpoint are of the highest calibre and repute, including Bernard Lewis, Stanford Shaw, David Fromkin, Justin McCarthy, Guenther Lewy, Norman Stone, Kamuran Gürün, Michael Gunter, Gilles Veinstein, Andrew Mango, Roderic Davidson, J.C. Hurwitz, William Batkay, Edward J. Erickson and Steven Katz.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. A good number of well-respected scholars recognize the deportation decision in 1915, taken under World War I conditions, as a security measure to stop the Armenians from co-operating with the foreign forces invading Anatolia.

There was no Armenian genocide



"There's little historical disagreement about the scale of the upheavals that began in April 1915 -- when Ottoman officials first ordered the removal of Armenian intellectuals in Istanbul, and later the mass deportation of ethnic Armenians mostly living in what's now eastern Turkey. But, as WorldViewsdiscussed earlier, the question of how to remember it ....

1. Henry Morgenthau, U.S. ambassador to the Ottoman Empire, in a cable sent to Secretary of State Robert Lansing on July 10, 1915:

Persecution of Armenians assuming unprecedented proportions. Reports from widely scattered districts indicate systematic attempts to uproot peaceful Armenian populations and through arbitrary arrests, terrible tortures, wholesale expulsions and deportations....

2. ....Henry Riggs, an American pastor in eastern Anatolia, "men very seldom left the province alive." According to some accounts, males over the age of 12 were systematically killed.

3. Mary Gaffram, another American missionary, walked with a group of Armenians leaving the central Anatolian city of Sivas.

As far as the eye could see over the plain was this slow-moving line of ox carts. For hours there was not a drop of water on the road, and the sun poured down its very hottest. As we went on we began to see the dead from yesterday's company, and the weak began to fall by the way.

4. Jesse Jackson, the U.S. consul in Aleppo, sent this cable in September 1916 of what he witnessed by a town outside the Syrian city, where the last phase of the campaign was playing out.

The impression which this immense and dismal plain of Meskene leaves is sad and pitiable. Information obtained on the spot permits me to state that nearly 60,000 Armenians are buried there, carried off by hunger, by privations of all sorts, by intestinal diseases and typhus which is the result. As far as the eye can reach mounds are seen containing 200 to 300 corpses buried in the ground... women, children and old people belonging to different families."
Is this genocide What four Americans saw happening to Armenians 100 years ago - The Washington Post
 
Turkey seems to brush this off as "shit happens during war"

But it is hard to argue that it was not an organized attempt to destroy the Christian Armenian civilian population

Turkey says get over it...just like other people who commit such atrocities.

Yeah, I'm looking at you America
 
good info Steph , thanks for the information !!



I'm not Steph, but thank you.

Maybe try reading up on Emmanuel Carasso,

instead of reading crap from anti Islamic sites.


I have one for you to read...

"No Surrender: My Thirty-Year War,"
by Hiroo Onoda


It's the story of a Japanese soldier who wouldn't believe WWII was over, and hid in the jungles of the Philippines for 30 years after it ended.

He wouldn't accept the truth.

I believe you may identify with Hiroo.
 
1. Not to say that that there were only two holocausts, as human beings have a propensity for slaughter that is truly shocking....

....but, in addition to that perpetrated by the Nazis, the one that begin April 24, 1915 is not only horrifically outstanding.....

...but has yet to be answered for.



2. " Though the term "genocide" was not coined until 1944, acts of genocide have been committed throughout history.... “Genocide,” a term used to describe violence against members of a national, ethnical, racial or religious group with the intent to destroy the entire group, came into general usage only after World War II,..."
What Is Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com

a. " In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group,..."
The UN Convention, Article II, Convention on Genocide



The Armenian Holocaust.

3. The Ottoman Turks have at least two characteristics which will resonate with the study of genocide in modern times......they were close allies with Germany....and the were Muslim.

".... there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead,....


On April 24, 1915, the Armenian genocide began.
That day, the Turkish government arrested and executed several hundred Armenian intellectuals. After that, ordinary Armenians were turned out of their homes and sent on death marches through the Mesopotamian desert without food or water. Frequently, the marchers were stripped naked and forced to walk under the scorching sun until they dropped dead. People who stopped to rest were shot.

At the same time, the Young Turks created a “Special Organization,” which in turn organized “killing squads” or “butcher battalions” to carry out, as one officer put it, “the liquidation of the Christian elements.” These killing squads were often made up of murderers and other ex-convicts.

They drowned people in rivers, threw them off cliffs, crucified them and burned them alive. In short order, the Turkish countryside was littered with Armenian corpses.




.... during this “Turkification”campaign government squads also kidnapped children, converted them to Islam and gave them to Turkish families. In some places, they raped women and forced them to join Turkish “harems” or serve as slaves. Muslim families moved into the homes of deported Armenians and seized their property."
Armenian Genocide - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com


April 24.

Are you talking about 1915 - or 2015 ?
Are you talking Turkey or Iraq-Syria ?
Or perhaps Boko-Haram
 
"Today, Armenians claim they were victims of an Ottoman genocide committed in 1915. The Armenians blame Turkey even though Turkey didn't become a republic until 8 years after the "fake" Armenian claims. The real historical truth is that there was no Armenian genocide and the following historical facts are absolute proof that the self-claimed Armenian genocide is nothing more than the figment of their rich and vivid imaginations to try to get something for nothing. The Armenians have created a "genocide industry" for one very simple and basic reason--to deceive, fleece and scam the Christian world out of billions of dollars."

WEEMS-NO GENOCIDE Tall Armenian Tale The Other Side of the Falsified Genocide
 
Your not telling who the young turks were , they were crypto Jews, and the break up of the Ottoman Empire was due to the British and Zionist quest for Palestine. The Zionist or crypto Jews did to the Ottoman Empire what they did to Russia.

You need to dig deeper into your history sites.
 
Turkey seems to brush this off as "shit happens during war"

But it is hard to argue that it was not an organized attempt to destroy the Christian Armenian civilian population

Turkey says get over it...just like other people who commit such atrocities.

Yeah, I'm looking at you America




This is simply a stupid post, and in no way applies to America.

BTW....did you attend government schools?
 

Forum List

Back
Top