Today...Smashing The Lie That Nazis Were Rightwing.

Listen, just because the Nazi party called themselves socialists and had socialists policies does not make them socialists.

Well, it is obvious that you never studied the actual NAZI platform itself, nor it's actual history.

And no, I am not talking about the man nominally in charge, but the platform.

Here are some key points from their official party platform:

That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

All personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits

We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor.

Now tell me, which of those points are in contradiction to Socialism? Of course there was other things, like all media being subservient to the State, which Socialists also love.

You say that they were not Socialists, but offer no proof. How about some proof? Prove that what you are saying is true.

I myself just presented a big chunk of the actual National SOcialist Party Platform. What do you have?
 
Over and over....the indoctrinated just can't overcome the propaganda...this: while Communists were Leftwing, the really, really evil doctrine, Nazism, was Rightwing.
No, it wasn't. It was brithed from the same sourece as communism...Karl Marx.
It authorized slaughter and genocide...as Leftism does.
And dreamed of the very same end stage for society as all six Leftwing views do.

This is why I call Communism "International Socialism". Both sides really wanted the same thing. The difference is that in NS that nations kept their own distinct national identity, and were do develop their own policy and implementation. In IS however (Marxism), national identities were to dissolve under the mantle of an International Worker's Paradise.

Socialists do not like to be reminded that Socialism existed before Marx, but he unquestionably changed how it is seen in the modern world. And that not all Socialists recognize Marx as the Messiah and Savior of the world.

NS is a distinct offshoot of Socialism, but most of the core beliefs are the same. Not really unlike how in the US Democrats and Republicans both have the same general goals in mind, but have very different ideas on how to get there.

But as usual in these discussions, I can see this went completely towards nonsensical personal attacks and divergences into things that do not even apply.

And for the dimwits in here, of course Ike supported Stalin. The Soviet Union was our ally after all, no duh! It could equally be said by that reason that Stalin supported the United States. So this is nonsensical in the extreme.


"...of course Ike supported Stalin."

Well...you could say that....

Only in the second degree: he followed orders, like a good soldier, and his boss was a Stalin-groupie.

Eisenhower got a star for allowing Stalin to determine where the attack on Fortress Europa should be.
 
Listen, just because the Nazi party called themselves socialists and had socialists policies does not make them socialists.

Well, it is obvious that you never studied the actual NAZI platform itself, nor it's actual history.

And no, I am not talking about the man nominally in charge, but the platform.

Here are some key points from their official party platform:

That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

All personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits

We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

We demand profit-sharing in large industries.

We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State.

The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor.

Now tell me, which of those points are in contradiction to Socialism? Of course there was other things, like all media being subservient to the State, which Socialists also love.

You say that they were not Socialists, but offer no proof. How about some proof? Prove that what you are saying is true.

I myself just presented a big chunk of the actual National SOcialist Party Platform. What do you have?


Votto was being sarcastic.

He's on the same page as you are.
 
[QUOTE="PoliticalChic, post: 17785936, member: 12394]
Votto was being sarcastic.
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You have to realize that I was not going to go through over 700 messages. I did look through the first and last pages, and pretty much saw more and more fantastical and rabid posts, that had absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic. Mostly they appeared to be made of people patting themselves on the back for how clever they were, completely missing that they were so far off course they might as well have been trying to run the Boston Marathon in Berlin.

Myself, I tend more towards the sarcastic when I realize people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The kind that repeat talking points from say Occupy Democrats spring immediately to mind.
 
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[QUOTE="PoliticalChic, post: 17785936, member: 12394
Votto was being sarcastic.

You have to realize that I was not going to go through over 700 messages. I did look through the first and last pages, and pretty much saw more and more fantastical and rabid posts, that had absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic. Mostly they appeared to be made of people patting themselves on the back for how clever they were, completely missing that they were so far off course they might as well have been trying to run the Boston Marathon in Berlin.

Myself, I tend more towards the sarcastic when I realize people have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The kind that repeat talking points from say Occupy Democrats spring immediately to mind.[/QUOTE]


I'm not blaming you....I'm advising you.
 

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