Today is Abraham Lincoln's birthday

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    Below is his famous Gettysburg Address, given about 4 months after the battle that took so many American lives. If so inclined, please take a minute to read it, it's worth the time.



    “ Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
    Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

    But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. "
     
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    Happy Birthday, Mr President. You rocked!
     
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    in one of my favorite examples of synchronicity, it's also charles darwin's birthday

    feb 12, 1809
     
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    "The Gettysburg speech was at once the shortest and the most famous oration in American history...the highest emotion reduced to a few poetical phrases. Lincoln himself never even remotely approached it. It is genuinely stupendous. But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people, should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves." - H. L. Mencken

    Note on the Gettysburg Address
     
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    Really? How long would we last as a nation if every group large and small decided it wants out, and we just let 'em go? All these nutjob militia groups saying they won't pay taxes and are not subject to the same laws as the rest of us, you're okay with that? Awhile back people made jokes about Rick Perry saying Texas might secede from the Union; he wasn't being serious, but what if he was? What if California says fuck you, we're going to print our own currency and setup our own independent gov't, you okay with that? You want anarchy? Letting every group do their own thing is an excellent way to get anarchy.

    You say the Union soldiers fought against self-determination; wonder if the slaves at the time would agree. What about their right to self-determination?
     
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    If California wanted to leave, I would not object.
     
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    In kneejerk fashion, I tend to feel the same way about Taaaayyyyyxus. But consider their respective economies. Losing either would do us great harm.
     
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    LOL, I just knew somebody was going to say that.
     
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    Happy Birthday, Honest Abe.

    Make it a good one!
     
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    The Gettysburg Address was inspired. Now if only today's politicians would keep their speeches that short and to the point . . .

    If the South had been allowed to secede peacefully or had won the Civil War, the likely result would have been further breakups of both countries. New England had a secession movement earlier than the South did. California and Texas might both have gone their own ways. The best argument against secession IMO was made years before the Civil War by Alexander Hamilton. You can read it here: Federalist Papers: FEDERALIST No. 8
     

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