To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[JoeB131]

He never stated he made $14.50 an hour, you are twisting what he posted but you already know that. It’s another game.

He made some absurd claim that if burger flippers could ask for 15, he could ask for a raise, too.

Also, he made some bizarre claim that health insurance would cost 25% of his salary, which means he couldn't be making all that much.

 

[Humorme]

Anybody can read this thread for themselves. The best proof is that you have to make an insult in order to answer my posts that don't even mention you.

Can’t prove it, okay then.


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If you can't read the thread, then leave me alone. Don't you think it's time to put the bullshit aside and allow the thread to progress?

I've asked your dumb ass to take the personal stuff to PM. WTF dude? Are you so infantile that you cannot understand English?

This is not about your fragile ego; this is about people who work and don't get paid a realistic wage. I know. You get a grand a month for a mental disability and don't have to think about such things.

... Moving right along. Unless the American people can get their heads out of their rear ends, the Democrats will retake the White House and at least one branch of Congress and end up supporting Bernie Sanders style socialism.

Again, you make accusations, then you need to back it up, I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out. I don’t use PM, grow up and deal with it. If you can’t tell me in the open, then you don’t need to say it at all. Got it, good.

...Moving right along. I’d support Sanders over Trump. The GOP needs to either listen to their constituents or they will lose control in the House or the Senate in 2019. The GOP was lucky the Democrats ran Clinton, any other candidate would have beat Trump.

I already have proven the point. Any jackass with an IQ the size of their shoe can read this thread and see you are nothing more than a childish troll that likes to piss people off but is too chickenshit to call them out in PM and face them.

You are a keyboard commando that has a big ego and damn little for brains. Can I prove it? You bet. You want to grandstand and call people names; you like to make idiotic allegations; you want all the political jockeying to be public. You like to engage in what, if done in face to face encounters, is called "fighting words" where I come from.

"A person commits the offense of disorderly conduct when such person commits any of the following:

...Without provocation, uses to or of another person in such other person's presence, opprobrious or abusive words which by their very utterance tend to incite to an immediate breach of the peace, that is to say, words which as a matter of common knowledge and under ordinary circumstances will, when used to or of another person in such other person's presence, naturally tend to provoke violent resentment, that is, words commonly called "fighting words"...

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY :: ARTICLE 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER :: § 16-11-39 - Disorderly conduct

YOU were the one who began engaging me with words that would rise to such a level. Yet, you basically called me out and when I told you to take it to PM where you could tell me to name the time and the place, your spineless, gutless ass backed down. You like that you can pretend to be an Internet tough guy; you like that that you can do what amounts to criminal activity anonymously, but never get called on it.

You're a fucking bully that don't have any brains, no guts, and no scruples. So, if you want to reply to this and keep this going, I'll simply cut and paste this portion of my response. You and I have nothing left to talk about. Badgering me over personal crap is a violation of the TOS as you like to yap about. Let me quote them for you:

"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws."

Your specific threat in your recent post is: "I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out."

Okay. You've called me out. You got your response. It's time to put up or STFU. If you want to take it further, go to PM. I'm not engaging in pissing matches in order to post here. That is my word to you.

AND BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND

It's a sad commentary that the general public has this great tool by which we could have productive discussions and bounce ideas off each other, maybe coming up with a solution to the political issues that plague us, but we don't do that.

Thomas Jefferson stated:

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

The reality is that today we have excessively high taxes, poverty level wages, a deficit that cannot realistically be paid off and all the current economic theories remain just that: theory. I say we experiment so as not to bankrupt the country and see what works and if it is a combination wherein the employer gets to decide whether they want to hire whomever they choose and pay what they want and pay the higher taxes OR pay above poverty level, hire an all American staff and pay much lower taxes, go with it.

You failed to prove it, got it. Thanks for the info.

I say you hire an all American staff, that is a good solution my issue is giving company a tax break to do the right thing. I’m for imposing a penalty for a company that doesn’t hire 100% American, it’s penalty for doing the wrong thing.

You must have OCD.

Yes, your dumbass inquiries have been addressed over and over and over again.You've been exposed for what you are.

You're welcome for the information.

Since you also cannot understand that an employer owns the job he / she creates, you don't understand the concept of private property, you are spewing socialist ideology here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

He never stated he made $14.50 an hour, you are twisting what he posted but you already know that. It’s another game.

He made some absurd claim that if burger flippers could ask for 15, he could ask for a raise, too.

Also, he made some bizarre claim that health insurance would cost 25% of his salary, which means he couldn't be making all that much.

No, it means they are charging so much. The AFFORDABLE part is only affordable for lowlifes.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

View attachment 166430
Small Businesses Are Dropping Health Coverage; Large Employers Hold Steady

So by your own chart, ObamaCare had no effect on the already existing trend.

Need new glasses or something? The only companies it didn't affect were huge companies. As for the smaller companies, they dropped considerably after Commie Care was introduced.

 

[beagle9]

$14.50 an hour? Where did you create that bullshit from?

Your own posts where you said that's what you made and if they raised the Min Wage to $15.00, they'd have to raise yours, too.

You just blew him up, nice job Ray! He has nothing but hate and jealousy over those that have it better than he.

Please, buddy. Ray himself admitted he makes shit wages and can't get health insurance...

But he gets to look down on black people, so he's happy.

It seems you like to look down at people, Ray has never left that impression. I also couldn’t find where he said he made $14.50 an hour and I would be willing to be you can’t either.

Thank you. Joe always tells me how I rip black people, but his OCD can't stop him from ripping me because my employer dropped our coverage right after Commie Care started. He goes on further to say that DumBama had nothing to do with it. Go figure.........

. Ray, your employer dropped your coverage after the ACA got started ?? Wow, do you work for a crap company or something ? Sounds like it just used the excuse of the ACA to do what it wanted to do anyway.

I have bad news for ya, and that is no employer wants to deal with healthcare coverage, it's just that before Commie Care, they had to, otherwise they would not have nearly the selection of applicants (if any) that they would ordinarily have.

That's not to say my company isn't responsible for the problem, they are, but only partly responsible. If not for Commie Care, my employer would have had to deal with the problem in a different way.

So I applied at other places, but like my employer, they too dropped coverage, so it's not just my employer alone. It's not worth me taking a day off of work to apply if they don't provide coverage, so I ask ahead of time. But when the run my license number (which you have to include when inquiring about a driving job) and they find out I'm 57, they don't write back because the cost it would take to cover me is probably over twice as much as a much younger employee in spite of my impeccable driving record and years of experience.

So I'm pretty much screwed at this point because Commie Care wants over 25% of my net pay for a policy that has a 7K out of pocket, 7K deductible, no prescriptions, no dental, and a $50.00 office copay. And that's what they quoted me last year. I'm sure this year is much worse.

Now had this happened 20 or 30 years ago, I could probably find another job. But even if I did, what would stop them from dropping coverage down the road?

. Would universal Healthcare had been the answer for you Ray ?? It appears that it may have been in yours and so many hundreds of thousands more who are in the very same situation across this nation.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your own posts where you said that's what you made and if they raised the Min Wage to $15.00, they'd have to raise yours, too.

Please, buddy. Ray himself admitted he makes shit wages and can't get health insurance...

But he gets to look down on black people, so he's happy.

It seems you like to look down at people, Ray has never left that impression. I also couldn’t find where he said he made $14.50 an hour and I would be willing to be you can’t either.

Thank you. Joe always tells me how I rip black people, but his OCD can't stop him from ripping me because my employer dropped our coverage right after Commie Care started. He goes on further to say that DumBama had nothing to do with it. Go figure.........

. Ray, your employer dropped your coverage after the ACA got started ?? Wow, do you work for a crap company or something ? Sounds like it just used the excuse of the ACA to do what it wanted to do anyway.

I have bad news for ya, and that is no employer wants to deal with healthcare coverage, it's just that before Commie Care, they had to, otherwise they would not have nearly the selection of applicants (if any) that they would ordinarily have.

That's not to say my company isn't responsible for the problem, they are, but only partly responsible. If not for Commie Care, my employer would have had to deal with the problem in a different way.

So I applied at other places, but like my employer, they too dropped coverage, so it's not just my employer alone. It's not worth me taking a day off of work to apply if they don't provide coverage, so I ask ahead of time. But when the run my license number (which you have to include when inquiring about a driving job) and they find out I'm 57, they don't write back because the cost it would take to cover me is probably over twice as much as a much younger employee in spite of my impeccable driving record and years of experience.

So I'm pretty much screwed at this point because Commie Care wants over 25% of my net pay for a policy that has a 7K out of pocket, 7K deductible, no prescriptions, no dental, and a $50.00 office copay. And that's what they quoted me last year. I'm sure this year is much worse.

Now had this happened 20 or 30 years ago, I could probably find another job. But even if I did, what would stop them from dropping coverage down the road?

. Would universal Healthcare had been the answer for you Ray ?? It appears that it may have been in yours and so many hundreds of thousands more who are in the very same situation across this nation.

Well......given that government created this problem for me, I don't think government would have the solution. But let me post a couple of my ideas.

People with preexisting conditions that can't afford insurance should be allowed to buy into the Medicare program. The rates are pretty reasonable and of course the coverage is based on how much you are willing to pay. That would remove all the high-risk people from the insurance companies and they can then pass that savings via premium prices which would allow more people the opportunity to buy insurance for themselves.

Speaking of which, employee contributions to Medicare should at least double. I can't remember the last time those contributions increased, but it must have been a long time ago while the cost of medical care kept increasing. One of the reasons healthcare is so expensive is because government only pays about 2/3 of the bill for their patients. Not too bad for a doctors visit, but a major surgery that costs 70K is a big loss for doctors and facilities to take. So they increase their prices on everybody which the insurance companies have to pay.

Mandatory medical savings accounts: If you read anything written by insurance companies, one of their complaints is red tape and processing nickel and dime claims. You go to the doctor for $100.00. The doctor has to pay his or her staff to bill the insurance company. The insurance company has to review each claim before they pay. Then they have to send the money to the doctors office or facility, and the cost of all this paperwork pushing is ridiculous. If we had mandatory MSA's, you would just swipe your MSA card (Like an ATM card) through the reader and it would automatically deduct the cost from your account. It would greatly reduce the costs to insurance companies while at the same time, reduce costs at your health facility.

The deduction would come out of your paycheck like SS and Medicare. It could be 1% of your gross up to the age of 35, then 2% of your gross afterwards. That doesn't sound like much, but if you are working for years before using it, there would be a good amount in there if the accounts paid interest.

 

[Papageorgio]

Can’t prove it, okay then.


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If you can't read the thread, then leave me alone. Don't you think it's time to put the bullshit aside and allow the thread to progress?

I've asked your dumb ass to take the personal stuff to PM. WTF dude? Are you so infantile that you cannot understand English?

This is not about your fragile ego; this is about people who work and don't get paid a realistic wage. I know. You get a grand a month for a mental disability and don't have to think about such things.

... Moving right along. Unless the American people can get their heads out of their rear ends, the Democrats will retake the White House and at least one branch of Congress and end up supporting Bernie Sanders style socialism.

Again, you make accusations, then you need to back it up, I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out. I don’t use PM, grow up and deal with it. If you can’t tell me in the open, then you don’t need to say it at all. Got it, good.

...Moving right along. I’d support Sanders over Trump. The GOP needs to either listen to their constituents or they will lose control in the House or the Senate in 2019. The GOP was lucky the Democrats ran Clinton, any other candidate would have beat Trump.

I already have proven the point. Any jackass with an IQ the size of their shoe can read this thread and see you are nothing more than a childish troll that likes to piss people off but is too chickenshit to call them out in PM and face them.

You are a keyboard commando that has a big ego and damn little for brains. Can I prove it? You bet. You want to grandstand and call people names; you like to make idiotic allegations; you want all the political jockeying to be public. You like to engage in what, if done in face to face encounters, is called "fighting words" where I come from.

"A person commits the offense of disorderly conduct when such person commits any of the following:

...Without provocation, uses to or of another person in such other person's presence, opprobrious or abusive words which by their very utterance tend to incite to an immediate breach of the peace, that is to say, words which as a matter of common knowledge and under ordinary circumstances will, when used to or of another person in such other person's presence, naturally tend to provoke violent resentment, that is, words commonly called "fighting words"...

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY :: ARTICLE 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER :: § 16-11-39 - Disorderly conduct

YOU were the one who began engaging me with words that would rise to such a level. Yet, you basically called me out and when I told you to take it to PM where you could tell me to name the time and the place, your spineless, gutless ass backed down. You like that you can pretend to be an Internet tough guy; you like that that you can do what amounts to criminal activity anonymously, but never get called on it.

You're a fucking bully that don't have any brains, no guts, and no scruples. So, if you want to reply to this and keep this going, I'll simply cut and paste this portion of my response. You and I have nothing left to talk about. Badgering me over personal crap is a violation of the TOS as you like to yap about. Let me quote them for you:

"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws."

Your specific threat in your recent post is: "I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out."

Okay. You've called me out. You got your response. It's time to put up or STFU. If you want to take it further, go to PM. I'm not engaging in pissing matches in order to post here. That is my word to you.

AND BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND

It's a sad commentary that the general public has this great tool by which we could have productive discussions and bounce ideas off each other, maybe coming up with a solution to the political issues that plague us, but we don't do that.

Thomas Jefferson stated:

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

The reality is that today we have excessively high taxes, poverty level wages, a deficit that cannot realistically be paid off and all the current economic theories remain just that: theory. I say we experiment so as not to bankrupt the country and see what works and if it is a combination wherein the employer gets to decide whether they want to hire whomever they choose and pay what they want and pay the higher taxes OR pay above poverty level, hire an all American staff and pay much lower taxes, go with it.

You failed to prove it, got it. Thanks for the info.

I say you hire an all American staff, that is a good solution my issue is giving company a tax break to do the right thing. I’m for imposing a penalty for a company that doesn’t hire 100% American, it’s penalty for doing the wrong thing.

You must have OCD.

Yes, your dumbass inquiries have been addressed over and over and over again.You've been exposed for what you are.

You're welcome for the information.

Since you also cannot understand that an employer owns the job he / she creates, you don't understand the concept of private property, you are spewing socialist ideology here.

Then don’t reward them for hiring all Americans. That is government dictating morality just as much penalizing them. So, both are a form of socialism. I’m against government doling out money to corporations.

I told you before I am against corporate welfare, it is a way the government picks winner and losers. As far as businesses hiring who they want I’m all for it. I just don’t think they should be rewarded for doing it. If you think you need to incentivize businesses on hiring all Americans then penalize businesses then. My idea is leave them alone.

 

[Papageorgio]

View attachment 166430
Small Businesses Are Dropping Health Coverage; Large Employers Hold Steady

So by your own chart, ObamaCare had no effect on the already existing trend.

Need new glasses or something? The only companies it didn't affect were huge companies. As for the smaller companies, they dropped considerably after Commie Care was introduced.

Our company isn’t large enough to be required to provide insurance, what they did is went to covering the workers but not the families and the deductibles keep going up.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

View attachment 166430
Small Businesses Are Dropping Health Coverage; Large Employers Hold Steady

So by your own chart, ObamaCare had no effect on the already existing trend.

Need new glasses or something? The only companies it didn't affect were huge companies. As for the smaller companies, they dropped considerably after Commie Care was introduced.

Our company isn’t large enough to be required to provide insurance, what they did is went to covering the workers but not the families and the deductibles keep going up.

We just lost one of our drivers that way. After my employer dropped coverage, he went on his wife's company policy. They announced that next year, they are dropping spouses so that left him hanging. He found another job with coverage and not a bad paying one either for a straight truck driver. It's actually one of our customers. If I would have known, I might have taken the job myself. I knew they were looking for somebody, but the employee turnaround left me to believe it was a crap company to work for.

Larger companies can afford to carry insurance because their rates are cheaper. It's one thing to have a company that has 2,000 employees and another to have a company that has 12, especially if a couple of those 12 have preexisting conditions or have a lot of older workers like my company does. We don't have one employee under the age of 40.

 

[Humorme]

If you can't read the thread, then leave me alone. Don't you think it's time to put the bullshit aside and allow the thread to progress?

I've asked your dumb ass to take the personal stuff to PM. WTF dude? Are you so infantile that you cannot understand English?

This is not about your fragile ego; this is about people who work and don't get paid a realistic wage. I know. You get a grand a month for a mental disability and don't have to think about such things.

... Moving right along. Unless the American people can get their heads out of their rear ends, the Democrats will retake the White House and at least one branch of Congress and end up supporting Bernie Sanders style socialism.

Again, you make accusations, then you need to back it up, I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out. I don’t use PM, grow up and deal with it. If you can’t tell me in the open, then you don’t need to say it at all. Got it, good.

...Moving right along. I’d support Sanders over Trump. The GOP needs to either listen to their constituents or they will lose control in the House or the Senate in 2019. The GOP was lucky the Democrats ran Clinton, any other candidate would have beat Trump.

I already have proven the point. Any jackass with an IQ the size of their shoe can read this thread and see you are nothing more than a childish troll that likes to piss people off but is too chickenshit to call them out in PM and face them.

You are a keyboard commando that has a big ego and damn little for brains. Can I prove it? You bet. You want to grandstand and call people names; you like to make idiotic allegations; you want all the political jockeying to be public. You like to engage in what, if done in face to face encounters, is called "fighting words" where I come from.

"A person commits the offense of disorderly conduct when such person commits any of the following:

...Without provocation, uses to or of another person in such other person's presence, opprobrious or abusive words which by their very utterance tend to incite to an immediate breach of the peace, that is to say, words which as a matter of common knowledge and under ordinary circumstances will, when used to or of another person in such other person's presence, naturally tend to provoke violent resentment, that is, words commonly called "fighting words"...

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY :: ARTICLE 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER :: § 16-11-39 - Disorderly conduct

YOU were the one who began engaging me with words that would rise to such a level. Yet, you basically called me out and when I told you to take it to PM where you could tell me to name the time and the place, your spineless, gutless ass backed down. You like that you can pretend to be an Internet tough guy; you like that that you can do what amounts to criminal activity anonymously, but never get called on it.

You're a fucking bully that don't have any brains, no guts, and no scruples. So, if you want to reply to this and keep this going, I'll simply cut and paste this portion of my response. You and I have nothing left to talk about. Badgering me over personal crap is a violation of the TOS as you like to yap about. Let me quote them for you:

"You agree to not use the Service to submit or link to any Content which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, spam or spam-like, likely to offend, contains adult or objectionable content, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws."

Your specific threat in your recent post is: "I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out."

Okay. You've called me out. You got your response. It's time to put up or STFU. If you want to take it further, go to PM. I'm not engaging in pissing matches in order to post here. That is my word to you.

AND BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND

It's a sad commentary that the general public has this great tool by which we could have productive discussions and bounce ideas off each other, maybe coming up with a solution to the political issues that plague us, but we don't do that.

Thomas Jefferson stated:

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

The reality is that today we have excessively high taxes, poverty level wages, a deficit that cannot realistically be paid off and all the current economic theories remain just that: theory. I say we experiment so as not to bankrupt the country and see what works and if it is a combination wherein the employer gets to decide whether they want to hire whomever they choose and pay what they want and pay the higher taxes OR pay above poverty level, hire an all American staff and pay much lower taxes, go with it.

You failed to prove it, got it. Thanks for the info.

I say you hire an all American staff, that is a good solution my issue is giving company a tax break to do the right thing. I’m for imposing a penalty for a company that doesn’t hire 100% American, it’s penalty for doing the wrong thing.

You must have OCD.

Yes, your dumbass inquiries have been addressed over and over and over again.You've been exposed for what you are.

You're welcome for the information.

Since you also cannot understand that an employer owns the job he / she creates, you don't understand the concept of private property, you are spewing socialist ideology here.

Then don’t reward them for hiring all Americans. That is government dictating morality just as much penalizing them. So, both are a form of socialism. I’m against government doling out money to corporations.

I told you before I am against corporate welfare, it is a way the government picks winner and losers. As far as businesses hiring who they want I’m all for it. I just don’t think they should be rewarded for doing it. If you think you need to incentivize businesses on hiring all Americans then penalize businesses then. My idea is leave them alone.

It's not a question of morality.


A businessman goes into business to make money. But, if he does not pay his employees, then the taxpayer picks up the tab. That difference between what the employer pays his / her employees and that money it takes for them to sustain themselves comes at a cost to you and I.

Case in point:

Georgia has something called Peachcare for children. It's like Medicare, only for the children of those people on limited incomes. Now, who do you suppose gets the lion's share of that money? Blacks? Whites? Maybe the children of those "illegal aliens?" No. The group that is the largest recipients of Peachcare is the children of Walmart employees. Who comes in second? That would be the children of Publix grocery chain.

Walmart chief Doug McMillon, who made $25.6 million last year. In 2006 alone, Walmart donated $272.9 MILLION DOLLARS to charities:

Wal-Mart keeps spot as top corporate charity

So, while Walmart is donating this to charity, virtually NONE of it is coming out of the pockets of the BILLIONAIRE Waltons. The Waltons donate less than 1 percent of their own money to charities:

Report: Walmart's Billionaire Waltons Give Almost None Of Own Cash To Foundation

So, Walmart takes this money out of their corporate profits and gets great PR and lots of positive advertising while their employees live below the poverty level. AND, adding insult to injury, while the BILLIONAIRE Waltons are donating less than 1 percent of their income to charities, the average middle class American donates 6 percent of their income.

So, here is the deal:

Walmart counters and says that they pay competitive wages. What they don't tell you is that they are the largest retail operation of their kind and they, more or less, get to set that competitive wage. That insulting wage comes at a cost to taxpayers who foot the cost for the difference between what people have to have to sustain themselves and what they get in wages.

If a corporation does not pay people an adequate wage, they should pay more in taxes. What I put on the table is a quid pro quo solution. The employer gets to choose. In the instant example, Walmart has been convicted of knowingly hiring subcontractors that used undocumented foreigners. They pay insulting wages. By contrast, the children of the employees of Aldi Grocery stores DO NOT qualify for Peach Care because Aldi pays above poverty level wages. Aldi hires Americans. Aldi should get a tax break and Walmart should be paying higher taxes. Both companies keep to get running their businesses as they always have and life goes on.

 

[Papageorgio]

Again, you make accusations, then you need to back it up, I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out. I don’t use PM, grow up and deal with it. If you can’t tell me in the open, then you don’t need to say it at all. Got it, good.

...Moving right along. I’d support Sanders over Trump. The GOP needs to either listen to their constituents or they will lose control in the House or the Senate in 2019. The GOP was lucky the Democrats ran Clinton, any other candidate would have beat Trump.

I already have proven the point. Any jackass with an IQ the size of their shoe can read this thread and see you are nothing more than a childish troll that likes to piss people off but is too chickenshit to call them out in PM and face them.

You are a keyboard commando that has a big ego and damn little for brains. Can I prove it? You bet. You want to grandstand and call people names; you like to make idiotic allegations; you want all the political jockeying to be public. You like to engage in what, if done in face to face encounters, is called "fighting words" where I come from.

"A person commits the offense of disorderly conduct when such person commits any of the following:

...Without provocation, uses to or of another person in such other person's presence, opprobrious or abusive words which by their very utterance tend to incite to an immediate breach of the peace, that is to say, words which as a matter of common knowledge and under ordinary circumstances will, when used to or of another person in such other person's presence, naturally tend to provoke violent resentment, that is, words commonly called "fighting words"...

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 16 - CRIMES AND OFFENSES :: CHAPTER 11 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER AND SAFETY :: ARTICLE 2 - OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER :: § 16-11-39 - Disorderly conduct

YOU were the one who began engaging me with words that would rise to such a level. Yet, you basically called me out and when I told you to take it to PM where you could tell me to name the time and the place, your spineless, gutless ass backed down. You like that you can pretend to be an Internet tough guy; you like that that you can do what amounts to criminal activity anonymously, but never get called on it.

You're a fucking bully that don't have any brains, no guts, and no scruples. So, if you want to reply to this and keep this going, I'll simply cut and paste this portion of my response. You and I have nothing left to talk about. Badgering me over personal crap is a violation of the TOS as you like to yap about. Let me quote them for you:

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Your specific threat in your recent post is: "I am not going to let you make up crap without calling you out."

Okay. You've called me out. You got your response. It's time to put up or STFU. If you want to take it further, go to PM. I'm not engaging in pissing matches in order to post here. That is my word to you.

AND BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND

It's a sad commentary that the general public has this great tool by which we could have productive discussions and bounce ideas off each other, maybe coming up with a solution to the political issues that plague us, but we don't do that.

Thomas Jefferson stated:

“A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801

The reality is that today we have excessively high taxes, poverty level wages, a deficit that cannot realistically be paid off and all the current economic theories remain just that: theory. I say we experiment so as not to bankrupt the country and see what works and if it is a combination wherein the employer gets to decide whether they want to hire whomever they choose and pay what they want and pay the higher taxes OR pay above poverty level, hire an all American staff and pay much lower taxes, go with it.

You failed to prove it, got it. Thanks for the info.

I say you hire an all American staff, that is a good solution my issue is giving company a tax break to do the right thing. I’m for imposing a penalty for a company that doesn’t hire 100% American, it’s penalty for doing the wrong thing.

You must have OCD.

Yes, your dumbass inquiries have been addressed over and over and over again.You've been exposed for what you are.

You're welcome for the information.

Since you also cannot understand that an employer owns the job he / she creates, you don't understand the concept of private property, you are spewing socialist ideology here.

Then don’t reward them for hiring all Americans. That is government dictating morality just as much penalizing them. So, both are a form of socialism. I’m against government doling out money to corporations.

I told you before I am against corporate welfare, it is a way the government picks winner and losers. As far as businesses hiring who they want I’m all for it. I just don’t think they should be rewarded for doing it. If you think you need to incentivize businesses on hiring all Americans then penalize businesses then. My idea is leave them alone.

It's not a question of morality.


A businessman goes into business to make money. But, if he does not pay his employees, then the taxpayer picks up the tab. That difference between what the employer pays his / her employees and that money it takes for them to sustain themselves comes at a cost to you and I.

Case in point:

Georgia has something called Peachcare for children. It's like Medicare, only for the children of those people on limited incomes. Now, who do you suppose gets the lion's share of that money? Blacks? Whites? Maybe the children of those "illegal aliens?" No. The group that is the largest recipients of Peachcare is the children of Walmart employees. Who comes in second? That would be the children of Publix grocery chain.

Walmart chief Doug McMillon, who made $25.6 million last year. In 2006 alone, Walmart donated $272.9 MILLION DOLLARS to charities:

Wal-Mart keeps spot as top corporate charity

So, while Walmart is donating this to charity, virtually NONE of it is coming out of the pockets of the BILLIONAIRE Waltons. The Waltons donate less than 1 percent of their own money to charities:

Report: Walmart's Billionaire Waltons Give Almost None Of Own Cash To Foundation

So, Walmart takes this money out of their corporate profits and gets great PR and lots of positive advertising while their employees live below the poverty level. AND, adding insult to injury, while the BILLIONAIRE Waltons are donating less than 1 percent of their income to charities, the average middle class American donates 6 percent of their income.

So, here is the deal:

Walmart counters and says that they pay competitive wages. What they don't tell you is that they are the largest retail operation of their kind and they, more or less, get to set that competitive wage. That insulting wage comes at a cost to taxpayers who foot the cost for the difference between what people have to have to sustain themselves and what they get in wages.

If a corporation does not pay people an adequate wage, they should pay more in taxes. What I put on the table is a quid pro quo solution. The employer gets to choose. In the instant example, Walmart has been convicted of knowingly hiring subcontractors that used undocumented foreigners. They pay insulting wages. By contrast, the children of the employees of Aldi Grocery stores DO NOT qualify for Peach Care because Aldi pays above poverty level wages. Aldi hires Americans. Aldi should get a tax break and Walmart should be paying higher taxes. Both companies keep to get running their businesses as they always have and life goes on.

Ok.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

It's not a question of morality.


A businessman goes into business to make money. But, if he does not pay his employees, then the taxpayer picks up the tab. That difference between what the employer pays his / her employees and that money it takes for them to sustain themselves comes at a cost to you and I.

The employer isn't responsible for the employees family. :SHRUG:

Case in point:

Georgia has something called Peachcare for children. It's like Medicare, only for the children of those people on limited incomes. Now, who do you suppose gets the lion's share of that money? Blacks? Whites? Maybe the children of those "illegal aliens?" No. The group that is the largest recipients of Peachcare is the children of Walmart employees. Who comes in second? That would be the children of Publix grocery chain.

Walmart chief Doug McMillon, who made $25.6 million last year. In 2006 alone, Walmart donated $272.9 MILLION DOLLARS to charities:

Wal-Mart keeps spot as top corporate charity

So, while Walmart is donating this to charity, virtually NONE of it is coming out of the pockets of the BILLIONAIRE Waltons. The Waltons donate less than 1 percent of their own money to charities:

Report: Walmart's Billionaire Waltons Give Almost None Of Own Cash To Foundation

So, Walmart takes this money out of their corporate profits and gets great PR and lots of positive advertising while their employees live below the poverty level. AND, adding insult to injury, while the BILLIONAIRE Waltons are donating less than 1 percent of their income to charities, the average middle class American donates 6 percent of their income.

So what.

So, here is the deal:

Walmart counters and says that they pay competitive wages. What they don't tell you is that they are the largest retail operation of their kind and they, more or less, get to set that competitive wage. That insulting wage comes at a cost to taxpayers who foot the cost for the difference between what people have to have to sustain themselves and what they get in wages.

Again, the employer is not responsible for the employees family. :SHRUG:

If a corporation does not pay people an adequate wage, they should pay more in taxes. What I put on the table is a quid pro quo solution. The employer gets to choose. In the instant example, Walmart has been convicted of knowingly hiring subcontractors that used undocumented foreigners. They pay insulting wages. By contrast, the children of the employees of Aldi Grocery stores DO NOT qualify for Peach Care because Aldi pays above poverty level wages. Aldi hires Americans. Aldi should get a tax break and Walmart should be paying higher taxes. Both companies keep to get running their businesses as they always have and life goes on.

A corporation should pay what the employee is willing to work for. The fewer employees available to the corporation the higher the corporation will pay or the better benefits they will offer. More available employees, the less the corporation needs to pay. The issue we have now is too many employees, not enough business needing employees.

 

[Slyhunter]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

Why? Is it not the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves and their family? The employer is only responsible for the well being of the employee via insurance, aka workers comp if the employee gets hurt while performing his job; and a wage they both agreed to.

 

[Slyhunter]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

Why? Is it not the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves and their family? The employer is only responsible for the well being of the employee via insurance, aka workers comp if the employee gets hurt while performing his job; and a wage they both agreed to.

We don't live on Islands.
An employee does a better job if his family is provided for. What is the point of having a job that doesn't provide a living wage, you might as well be a criminal or homeless. Why bother getting dressed and going to work if you aren't making a living wage? You should die or become a criminal instead.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

Why? Is it not the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves and their family? The employer is only responsible for the well being of the employee via insurance, aka workers comp if the employee gets hurt while performing his job; and a wage they both agreed to.

We don't live on Islands.
An employee does a better job if his family is provided for. What is the point of having a job that doesn't provide a living wage, you might as well be a criminal or homeless. Why bother getting dressed and going to work if you aren't making a living wage? You should die or become a criminal instead.

Are we not individuals? What is a "living wage"? A family of 4, husband and wife working, making minimum wage, are living above the poverty level, but when they start getting in debt due to wants instead of needs, I ask again who's fault is it?

 

[Slyhunter]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

Why? Is it not the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves and their family? The employer is only responsible for the well being of the employee via insurance, aka workers comp if the employee gets hurt while performing his job; and a wage they both agreed to.

We don't live on Islands.
An employee does a better job if his family is provided for. What is the point of having a job that doesn't provide a living wage, you might as well be a criminal or homeless. Why bother getting dressed and going to work if you aren't making a living wage? You should die or become a criminal instead.

Are we not individuals? What is a "living wage"? A family of 4, husband and wife working, making minimum wage, are living above the poverty level, but when they start getting in debt due to wants instead of needs, I ask again who's fault is it?

If you can't afford rent, food, utilities you aren't receiving a living wage. Nothing to do with wants. When people, such as yourself, argue against the living wage, you throw out stupid shit like wants, big screen tv's, etc. The stuff required to live keeps getting more expensive. It's only the luxuries that are getting cheaper. I say make it more expensive to buy luxuries, by charging a living wage tariff on those countries that don't pay a living wage, by insuring Americans who make a living wage are the ones who make those luxury items, so that all Americans can afford rent, bed, and utilities. Car and College would be nice too.

 

[Markle]

Republicans clearly don't understand that skills need to be developed. You aren't born with them.

So as long as the GOP blocks education and job training, we will never have the qualified workers we need. Without them, our GDP will never increase. But if they had an education, they would know that and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Says it all does it not?

One item on your wish list is already going down in flames. While petulant former President Barack Hussein Obama is the first President in history to not have a single year where the GDP was 3% or more.

President Donald Trump already has two quarters above 3% and the forecast for the next quarter is 3.2%.

We had eight years of failure. Why is that what you yearn for instead of the success? We just have the man and party which is bringing success, why not enjoy instead of hating?

This is a good example of what I’m talking about people lying.

1. Obama inherited a bad economy at the start. Then the collapse of the real state enterprises that hurt every sector of business enterprises. It took years to recover.
For 8 years entire GOP lawmakers tried to bring down Obama the very first day he started at the Oval Office.

Year 2015 and 16 shows the economy has recovered then unemployment went down tremendously.
Trump inherited an excellent economy. Then catapulted to 2017. The booming economy that you see right now..... Has NOTHING to do with this lousy POTUS.
2. Trump is a good example of like a little lying petulant kid. Always saying or doing something stupid.
Petulant Obama really? Give one example.
3. Why not just enjoy instead of hating Trump? You should ask that to yourself.
This is the POTUS that support a sexual predator Moore. A pathological liar, hypocrite, abusive, unethical, immoral, arrogant, racist, pussy grabber, sexual predator.

Yesterday at WH lawn he blasted the FBI because he is being investigated by the FBI. That same day he spoke front a bunch of FBI. Tell me how much they hate this dude.
His tax cut speech. Exact words “ It’s not good for me”. When he is getting a big tax cut from 35% to 20%. Liar.

He denied meeting or knowing women that he assaulted or harassed. There are evidence or pictures of him with his accusers. Liar.

He promotes Buy Americans Hire Americans....... When his products are made overseas and continue to hire foreign workers. Hypocrite.

He blasted his own AG and Secretary O S in public. Who the hell do that?

He goes to Asia blasted his own intelligence agencies just to support his master Putin. Blasted and lied about Obama that has nothing to do with the Asian summit just to make him big and Coward.

So tell me what is there to love about this POTUS? His blond hair?

Donald Trump brings the words “idiot” and “liar” to American voters’ minds, new poll says

Trump's administration is the most corrupt government institution in the U.S.: poll

USA Today editorial says Trump unfit to clean Obama's toilet
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[Skull Pilot]

Businesses should be financially responsible for their employees families.

Why? Is it not the responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves and their family? The employer is only responsible for the well being of the employee via insurance, aka workers comp if the employee gets hurt while performing his job; and a wage they both agreed to.

We don't live on Islands.
An employee does a better job if his family is provided for. What is the point of having a job that doesn't provide a living wage, you might as well be a criminal or homeless. Why bother getting dressed and going to work if you aren't making a living wage? You should die or become a criminal instead.

Are we not individuals? What is a "living wage"? A family of 4, husband and wife working, making minimum wage, are living above the poverty level, but when they start getting in debt due to wants instead of needs, I ask again who's fault is it?

If you can't afford rent, food, utilities you aren't receiving a living wage. Nothing to do with wants. When people, such as yourself, argue against the living wage, you throw out stupid shit like wants, big screen tv's, etc. The stuff required to live keeps getting more expensive. It's only the luxuries that are getting cheaper. I say make it more expensive to buy luxuries, by charging a living wage tariff on those countries that don't pay a living wage, by insuring Americans who make a living wage are the ones who make those luxury items, so that all Americans can afford rent, bed, and utilities. Car and College would be nice too.

So let me get this straight

You think a guy who stuffs burgers in bags for living and has 6 kids should be paid more than a single guy with a Masters degree in engineering ?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Look at Venezuela, a true Progressive success story where everyone is equal!