To those saying flipping burgers or dunking fries deserves 15.00 per hour...

[Humorme]

All that talk about losing liberties, yet here you are advocating more laws that will remove a parents liberty to help their own child and increase the size of govt. SMFH

You are nothing more than a libertarian socialist.

Which means a Socialist.

Libertarians are Capitalists.

Since you pretend to have a monopoly on the understanding of socialism, one wonders if you are the consummate socialist.

I have no need of pretense as I posses something you do not, knowledge and an education.

While you eschewed Dr. Rothbard's brilliant book, I have read it, along with "the General Theory" and "Das Kapital." You have read none of these. You've not read "Capitalism and Freedom". You don't know who wrote these books or why they matter.

I've read more books than you've ever looked at. I have one of the largest private libraries in this state. What can we say though? You are a legend in your own mind.

Man has tried his theories for a number of years and the standard fare isn't serving him well. It's time to try something that hasn't been tried. BTW, I haven't eschewed anybody's work. I'm simply thinking outside the box. You should try it and quit being a troll and a dumb ass.

Sure you have sparky, but the "Hardy Boy" mysteries are not the level I speak of.

But for fun, which of the schools do you most align with?

You try to talk down to me like I'm less than you and then ask me an academic question? Surely you jest. If you have something personal to say to me, try PM.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No we can't have idiots like you meddling in the business of private companies. But hey if you want everyone to be able to vote on how much you can make in your little cut and paste hobby then get the laws passed and we'll see how you like your pay determined by the whim of everyone in the country

again, guy, I charge less than most of my competitors.... some of whom are pretty unethical. (There's the one guy who only sends his finished product in PDF so you have to keep going back to him for minor updates.)

But to the point, given that we all support these big corporations through the tax code and corporate welfare, maybe we all SHOULD have a say in what htey make.

Again, guy, you can say whatever you want here but you still don't want your salary determined by the popular vote do you?

And you think you support big companies but you don't. Like I said you're not as great as you seem to think you are

 

[JoeB131]

You going to bring up that again knowing I'm reading your posts and put you in your place last time with the truth?

Oh, I'm sorry, when did you do that? YOu blurted out some Insurance industry propaganda which just made you look stupid.

Oh, so you're one of the few that never went to a bad movie, never attended a not so great concert, went to a sports event where you were very disappointed in your teams performance?

Oh, I have. and guess what happens when that occurs, they lose money and the guy can't command those big paychecks anymore.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, guy, you can say whatever you want here but you still don't want your salary determined by the popular vote do you?

And you think you support big companies but you don't. Like I said you're not as great as you seem to think you are

No, I'm probably better... I just don't measure myself by the standards of "how much I can fuck people over to enrich myself".

 

[Skull Pilot]

Again, guy, you can say whatever you want here but you still don't want your salary determined by the popular vote do you?

And you think you support big companies but you don't. Like I said you're not as great as you seem to think you are

No, I'm probably better... I just don't measure myself by the standards of "how much I can fuck people over to enrich myself".

Believe me you could drop dead tomorrow and no one would notice

 

[Uncensored2008]

Which means a Socialist.

Libertarians are Capitalists.

Since you pretend to have a monopoly on the understanding of socialism, one wonders if you are the consummate socialist.

I have no need of pretense as I posses something you do not, knowledge and an education.

While you eschewed Dr. Rothbard's brilliant book, I have read it, along with "the General Theory" and "Das Kapital." You have read none of these. You've not read "Capitalism and Freedom". You don't know who wrote these books or why they matter.

I've read more books than you've ever looked at. I have one of the largest private libraries in this state. What can we say though? You are a legend in your own mind.

Man has tried his theories for a number of years and the standard fare isn't serving him well. It's time to try something that hasn't been tried. BTW, I haven't eschewed anybody's work. I'm simply thinking outside the box. You should try it and quit being a troll and a dumb ass.

Sure you have sparky, but the "Hardy Boy" mysteries are not the level I speak of.

But for fun, which of the schools do you most align with?

You try to talk down to me like I'm less than you and then ask me an academic question? Surely you jest. If you have something personal to say to me, try PM.

You attempt to pass yourself off as having some knowledge of the subject at hand, yet time and again you fail to rise to even basic questions.

 

[JoeB131]

I didn’t miss the point you are deciding who you think should get paid, what they should get paid and why the should get paid. Again put your money where your mouth is and use it to effect change, of course crying about it and how you are the victim is easier for you and you can clear your conscience with doing a damn thing.

Again, guy, change is it a coming, probably right after all the dumb white trash figures out Trump isn't going to being back Daddy's Union job.

 

[Humorme]

I used to think that these boards were a good place to bounce ideas around and see if there weren't non-partisan solutions we could agree on, But, unlike those who have all the answers, I was wrong.

Sealybo is a stupid leftist hack. All he knows is the team for which he plays and the talking points he is expected to provide as a warrior thereof. As such, he is indicative of at least 90% of this forum who play politics as a game of Cowboys and Indians, acting as good little warriors for one side or the other.

If you look hard enough, you will find at least a few posters with functioning intellects who are not mindless hacks, but they are hugely outnumbered here.

Yeah, I'm finding out that if you don't jump on one bandwagon or the other you are an idiot or whatever other insult the low intellect Keyboard Commandos throw at you.

It's sad. If it were me hurling those insults, I'd be bucking for a face to face with the individual I'm insulting. Those insulting me on this board don't seem to have any courage.

My default usually falls in the area of laissez-faire ideas, but I never find an area of economic theory that I believe in 100 percent, largely due to the fact that IF you want legislation to be seriously considered, you have to compromise with other ideologies. So, the real challenge is getting the most of what you want and give the other guy enough to support the idea (aka a win /win) for all.

 

[Markle]

I am retired....have been for almost 20 years. Even thinking of messing with those 3 programs would send the nation into a craze.

It has to change, there isn't enough money for fewer and fewer people to be paying more and more people.

It will not affect anyone currently receiving benefits or will be receiving benefits anytime in the near future. People will have time to prepare to be more personally responsible and the changes will be phased in over years. The age for receiving retirement benefits will necessarily increase, again, being phased into full effect.

 

[JoeB131]

Again, guy, you can say whatever you want here but you still don't want your salary determined by the popular vote do you?

I wouldn't have a problem with that.. I think most Americans are pretty fair people.

Believe me you could drop dead tomorrow and no one would notice

And here comes the anger and hate.... all you people have, really.

 

[Papageorgio]

I didn’t miss the point you are deciding who you think should get paid, what they should get paid and why the should get paid. Again put your money where your mouth is and use it to effect change, of course crying about it and how you are the victim is easier for you and you can clear your conscience with doing a damn thing.

Again, guy, change is it a coming, probably right after all the dumb white trash figures out Trump isn't going to being back Daddy's Union job.

Okay, whatever you say. I’m not wasting any more time on it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Oh, I'm sorry, when did you do that? YOu blurted out some Insurance industry propaganda which just made you look stupid.

Propaganda? What's propaganda about not being covered for certain procedures such as experimental surgeries or techniques? It's written right in your policy.

Oh, I have. and guess what happens when that occurs, they lose money and the guy can't command those big paychecks anymore.

The actors, musicians or athletes lose money? They don't get paid by each performance. Much like CEO's, they have a contract and the company that issued the contract has to live up to it no matter what.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I haven't slogged through all 55 pages of this one, but one question I would ask is whether those who advocate a 15 dollar minimum wage have considered the effect on SMALL business? All this talk about McDonalds ignores the fact that local coffee shops and independent retailers will also have to pay more, and who do you think will be able to weather this increase more easily -- the giant companies or the small guy trying to eke out a living?

Have any of those wanting to stick it to the man figured out that in sticking it to the man, they are actually helping to remove the alternatives TO the man? A large increase in wages is going to hurt the little guy first, and as more little guys go under, it will be these large corporations who will enjoy an increased share of the spending dollar.

 

[JoeB131]

Propaganda? What's propaganda about not being covered for certain procedures such as experimental surgeries or techniques? It's written right in your policy.

Oh, I see, it's okay because a lawyer wrote up some confusing language - so if they take your money and don't provide the service, that's just dandy.

You have some truly fucked up values.

The actors, musicians or athletes lose money? They don't get paid by each performance. Much like CEO's, they have a contract and the company that issued the contract has to live up to it no matter what.

Big difference- the stars have to perform to acertain level to even demand those contracts. CEO's get paid even i their companies go bankrupt. Golden Parachute, my ass.

 

[Humorme]

Since you pretend to have a monopoly on the understanding of socialism, one wonders if you are the consummate socialist.

I have no need of pretense as I posses something you do not, knowledge and an education.

While you eschewed Dr. Rothbard's brilliant book, I have read it, along with "the General Theory" and "Das Kapital." You have read none of these. You've not read "Capitalism and Freedom". You don't know who wrote these books or why they matter.

I've read more books than you've ever looked at. I have one of the largest private libraries in this state. What can we say though? You are a legend in your own mind.

Man has tried his theories for a number of years and the standard fare isn't serving him well. It's time to try something that hasn't been tried. BTW, I haven't eschewed anybody's work. I'm simply thinking outside the box. You should try it and quit being a troll and a dumb ass.

Sure you have sparky, but the "Hardy Boy" mysteries are not the level I speak of.

But for fun, which of the schools do you most align with?

You try to talk down to me like I'm less than you and then ask me an academic question? Surely you jest. If you have something personal to say to me, try PM.

You attempt to pass yourself off as having some knowledge of the subject at hand, yet time and again you fail to rise to even basic questions.

You're about the dumbest ass as I have ever encountered. I don't have to prove shit to you. You say stuff to me here that you are too chickenshit to say to my face and then think I give two hoots in Hell what you think about my educational achievements.

If you had wanted basic questions answered, you would not have opened with insults. What you are NOT looking for are answers. You are looking for an opportunity to wow your fellow posters with your supposed knowledge of everything and your superiority. Save it.

You are an angry little underachiever who couldn't balance a freaking check-book much less offer a viable solution to the problems we have in America. My best piece of advice to you is that you need to take fifty dollars and go to the dog pound. Buy yourself a dog. Name it Life. That way you can say you have one.

For everyone else, if you work for a living, you realize that the employer is going to try and work you for the lowest wage he / she can get away with. We've tried unions and they failed. We've tried minimum wages. They have failed. And, when there is no government intervention with businesses, they have all the power and workers fare no better than slaves (except that they can go home at night.)

Ultimately, like it or not, the liberals will have more of a say in this than the conservatives. There are more liberals... always have been and probably always will be. IF a proposed piece of legislation does not address their concerns in some measure, it will be temporary at best.

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild,(sic) and government to gain ground." Thomas Jefferson

 

[Skull Pilot]

Again, guy, you can say whatever you want here but you still don't want your salary determined by the popular vote do you?

I wouldn't have a problem with that.. I think most Americans are pretty fair people.

Believe me you could drop dead tomorrow and no one would notice

And here comes the anger and hate.... all you people have, really.

So pass a constitutional amendment saying that every person's salary is to be determined by popular vote and then we'll see how much you like it. Until that time what anyone else's salary is is none of your fucking business.

And FYI stating facts is not hate.

 

[JoeB131]

I haven't slogged through all 55 pages of this one, but one question I would ask is whether those who advocate a 15 dollar minimum wage have considered the effect on SMALL business? All this talk about McDonalds ignores the fact that local coffee shops and independent retailers will also have to pay more, and who do you think will be able to weather this increase more easily -- the giant companies or the small guy trying to eke out a living?

Couple things here. Small companies can actually pay BELOW minimum wage now. My first job ever was flipping pizzas for half of min wage.

There's also a carve out for paying servers less than minimum wage if they get tips.

Have any of those wanting to stick it to the man figured out that in sticking it to the man, they are actually helping to remove the alternatives TO the man?

I'm not that sympathetic to small businesses. (Except my own, of course) They sometimes engage in worse behaviors than the big businesses do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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Even McDonald's acknowledges that their business was intended for children.
Holding businesses that are created with the employment of kids & college students responsible for the poor choices people make in life is wrong. If you're in your mid to late 20's or higher & working for minimum wage you have no one to blame but yourself. You're poor choices should not result in a 10.00 Big Mac or 4 dollar fry.

Ridiculous. Do you mean they intended to have cheap child labor run their business? Why? Those people work hard and McDonald’s makes a lot of money. Why not pay a living wage?

And I don’t mind you automating everything if that’s your business model but the people you do hire should be paid a fair wage.

Also if you can get people to work for $10 then you shouldn’t have to pay more but hopefully trump you guys said would increase wages by booting illegals. McDonald’s should have to pay $15 because no American will work for less. There should be lots of $15 hr jobs out there after trump makes America great again right?

Depends if he will address our welfare state or not. Many people on the dole want to stay there, so they only work enough hours to stay under the maximum to continue to receive benefits.

If a person can work 30 hours a week at $10.00 an hour and still get benefits, they will only work 15 hours a week if you increase the minimum wage to $20.00 an hour.

 

[JoeB131]

So pass a constitutional amendment saying that every person's salary is to be determined by popular vote and then we'll see how much you like it. Until that time what anyone else's salary is is none of your fucking business.

And FYI stating facts is not hate.

Actually, we can regulate CEO pay with passing a few laws and changes to the tax code.

Hoping people die and no one misses them is about as hateful as you get... I'm sorry you are such a sad person.

Well, fuck it, no I'm not.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Believe me you could drop dead tomorrow and no one would notice

Come on, man, that's not fair to Joe!

I mean, really, now. Do you think there would be no cheering and applause whatsoever? I happen to think there would be quite the wide-spread celebration, myself.